No, we don't. We already have a separate operational repair and overhaul (ROH) facility in Nasik itself with an annual output of 20. Also, an additional 10 per year with IAF (BRD).
Sukhoi Su-30MKI
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Manned-Unmanned teaming. The concept is that a manned jet controls unmanned CCAs(collaborative combat aircraft), which fly 50-100kms ahead with different sensors & weapons(like IRST, radar, BVRs, WVRs etc.). So they make the first contact with the threat and keep the human pilot out of the harms way.
This is part of 6th gen aerial warfare. And yes, MKI will have it and will be the best jet in our arsenal until AHCA is developed because of its second seat WSO(also working as drone controller).
MKI is an immortal jet because of its attributes. So beyond 2055 in my book.
I would love to have extra 100 MKIs in batches with spec. of UPG. configuration(s). But we need to seriously invest in stealth jets now. Having 2-seat Su-57MKI in 140 nos. makes more sense than procuring 200 MKIs now, IMO.
Tbh even if Su57 is not ready I still think we need to invest in manufacturing it in its current state. Of course it won't be able to match PLAAF but it can be an important deterrence until AMCA comes. But I have a small tingling but hopeful feeling that AMCA will be expedited in such a way we won't even need a stopgap. The gov forming a panel to look into it bring an SPV model with private production shows they are serious about trying to avoid HAL. If we can expedite the thing by even 1-2 years it would be w huge boost.
Immortal may be too big a word imo. But as the only jet we've got source codes+ knowhow for building (AL-31FPs+ Bars radar) from raw materials, it's certaibly our most flexible, dependable bird. We should ideally be retiring them around the same time as the Russians though. Flogging military ac beyond the OEMs TTL estimates creates a safety hazard, as we've seen countless times before (Jags, Fishbed)
Though tbh the RuAF will likely fly the Su-30SM/2 + Su-35S for a long, long time, since the Felon is nowhere near IOC.
That was just figurative, lol.
Even in a world dominated by hypersonic 7th gen space-fighters, MKI could still be useful in multiple roles including second-tier fighter-bomber/mud-mover roles, etc.
Absolutely. They are still producing Su-35S & Su-30SM2s. New build such jets have definitely very-very long life well into 2060s with MLU.
Perhaps in an OMCA avatar and that too as part of a swarm/mixed formation with other drones/LM. The larger point is we've got to spend more on mil modernization given the kind of neighborhood we live in. Can't count on fickle allies for help.
Military aviation physics, maths with a little humor touch:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpy Bumpy sat on a runway.
I thought someone would ask the context. It can easily be guessed. Never mind.
> The CONTEXT here is the RCS of MKI visible at large distances, in future era of emerging 6gen & us also making a stealth jet like AMCA.
> The RCS increases the PK (Probability of Kill).
The Su-30MKI has been a versatile, strong backbone, deterrent, premium fighter of IAF.
> But in future its big RCS will have to be compensated by LR-AAMs like Astr-3 SFDR. But others are also developing LR-AAMs.
> Some MKIs are upgraded with MAWS, better radar, avionics, SPJ which was done 10 years back on Su-35. Others are also doing such things. So by our delay we have reduced the useful MLUed life by at least 10-15 years.
> MKI's predominant strong point has been TVC. But J-10C also has it & J-20 may also get it. May be other Chinese Flankers will get it.
> Some people are confused on big radar. AESA radar doesn't flash all its TRMs together
, but narrow beams in different modes. ofcourse, more TRMs means more advantage in certain way but doesn't mean straight away a better jet overall.
>What Russia is doing with their Su-3X (35, 30SM, etc) to counter EF-2000s, Rafales, Gripen, etc, is not comparable to India's geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. Moreover, they do have Su-75 initiated & can disclose answer to FCAS, GCAP any day.
> Russia, USA, EU are selling their 4gen to fund their 5/6gen projects.
> They themselves will use 4gen as broomers, moppers
, with high stand-off weapons, or against weak adversaries
in asymmetrical situation where chances of getting shot down, ejection, pilot's death/capture is almost none.
> The recent Indo-Pak clash was a short skirmish. It is easy to hide & deny losses on both sides. In larger scale wars the losses will be more visible to everyone, very difficult to hide/deny.
> If world makes mistakes, should we learn from it or copy those acts again?
> Su-3X is a beautiful jet
, even i personaly like it really a lot, but MKI is not our design but modified version. They are the most humpy-bumpy fighters, the eagle has already become turkey, sorry to say that. So sentiments will not help. Progressive self-scrutiny/criticism is needed.
> AMCA should become the new backbone of IAF.
> Meanwhile when we've license produced them so obviously they've to be used for next 30-40 years. The best way to use MKI is with much awaited MLUs, Astr-3 SFDR AAM, high stand-off range AGMs. Unless the enemy has shot all BVR-AAMs, the MKI should not come WVR. That's another challenge to find out during battle.
I hope i've sufficiently explained the superimposed diagrams.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpy Bumpy sat on a runway.
I thought someone would ask the context. It can easily be guessed. Never mind.
> The CONTEXT here is the RCS of MKI visible at large distances, in future era of emerging 6gen & us also making a stealth jet like AMCA.
> The RCS increases the PK (Probability of Kill).
The Su-30MKI has been a versatile, strong backbone, deterrent, premium fighter of IAF.
> But in future its big RCS will have to be compensated by LR-AAMs like Astr-3 SFDR. But others are also developing LR-AAMs.
> Some MKIs are upgraded with MAWS, better radar, avionics, SPJ which was done 10 years back on Su-35. Others are also doing such things. So by our delay we have reduced the useful MLUed life by at least 10-15 years.
> MKI's predominant strong point has been TVC. But J-10C also has it & J-20 may also get it. May be other Chinese Flankers will get it.
> Some people are confused on big radar. AESA radar doesn't flash all its TRMs together
, but narrow beams in different modes. ofcourse, more TRMs means more advantage in certain way but doesn't mean straight away a better jet overall.>What Russia is doing with their Su-3X (35, 30SM, etc) to counter EF-2000s, Rafales, Gripen, etc, is not comparable to India's geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. Moreover, they do have Su-75 initiated & can disclose answer to FCAS, GCAP any day.
> Russia, USA, EU are selling their 4gen to fund their 5/6gen projects.
> They themselves will use 4gen as broomers, moppers
, with high stand-off weapons, or against weak adversaries in asymmetrical situation where chances of getting shot down, ejection, pilot's death/capture is almost none.> The recent Indo-Pak clash was a short skirmish. It is easy to hide & deny losses on both sides. In larger scale wars the losses will be more visible to everyone, very difficult to hide/deny.
> If world makes mistakes, should we learn from it or copy those acts again?
> Su-3X is a beautiful jet
, even i personaly like it really a lot, but MKI is not our design but modified version. They are the most humpy-bumpy fighters, the eagle has already become turkey, sorry to say that. So sentiments will not help. Progressive self-scrutiny/criticism is needed.> AMCA should become the new backbone of IAF.
> Meanwhile when we've license produced them so obviously they've to be used for next 30-40 years. The best way to use MKI is with much awaited MLUs, Astr-3 SFDR AAM, high stand-off range AGMs. Unless the enemy has shot all BVR-AAMs, the MKI should not come WVR. That's another challenge to find out during battle.
I hope i've sufficiently explained the superimposed diagrams.
AEWC m2 was getting one such system made, do you think they would just scale that up or down for other jets ?
ps: it is a complete lie that we may or may not have seen the system design and architecture of the said system and related stuff
Got itAEWC m2 was getting one such system made, do you think they would just scale that up or down for other jets ?
ps: it is a complete lie that we may or may not have seen the system design and architecture of the said system and related stuff
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That's the one. The same thing will also go in LCA MK2 and then eventually in MKI. Dr. Das also said about some different solution for MK1A. So maybe even a podded configuration could be conceived for it. All-in-all, MAWS has become imperative for all our 4.5 gen fighters.
Since meteor is not an option R-37M need to replace every R 77 & R 27 in IAF arsenal for SU 30 MKI period...... It's already getting a new radar with a massive range & to utilize it's capabilities for the fullest need a long range BVRAAM.
https://****/russia-offers-india-r-37m-missile-a-game-changer-for-iafs-air-superiority/
Can't we produce the GaN TRMs in DRDOs Bengaluru facility which is capable of 14 nm FINFET? It's a lab scale foundry but still we need to make it there, Taiwan is teeming with Chinese spies!!!! After all Taiwanese are Chinese!
What's the use of spending $400 million to make that facility then? What are we using if for?
They also developed a facility for air accident investigation good for nothing. Clear case of substandard technology development.
They spent a lot of money on that facility at least they should use it for something
No , capacity well beyond this pilot scale operation. The foundry made chips etc are only used for in house work.