Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

randomradio said:
Rafale is an ASF with secondary strike capabilities far superior to the Jaguar. It's a high thrust engine.



We attacked first, so we will naturally have had AWACS available.
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The m-88 has lower thrust than our Kaveri's. Even the Mirage's engine has higher thrust.
randomradio said:
We attacked first, so we will naturally have had AWACS available.
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But Pakistanis battle map shows that they didn't have any enemy AEWCS just 80 aircrafts targetting them.
 
Lolwa said:
Let's be real rafale was always a jaguar replacement. It is now very clear why the IAF was obsessed with the rafale. It is literally as reliable and similar in operation as the Jaguar with superior avionics than the mirage. It was always designed to fulfill both those roles. Its design philosophy now seems to be closer to the Jaguar now if you think about it. A low thrust engine but super reliable and low maintenance but the thrust was enough to compete with most medium engined fighters. The spectra is basically a decent EW and jammer. It's not as OP as much as we thought. The fact is any 4.5 gen jet has capability to jam your enemy fighter aircraft. The rafale would have most likely jammed the j-10's pl-15 but the fact is that Saab erieye GaN radar cannot be jammed by the puny spectra. It just would be seen brightly because I don't think this fighter aircrafts can realistically jam dedicated aewc. AEWCS in the sky literally translate into having battleships in the sky. The question is why weren't our AEWCS on that night. From the pakistani perspective thry didn't have any indian aewcs facing them just 80 aircrafts. So our air force was flying blind. Why weren't they no aewcs when it was clearly not a sneak attack. The Pakistanis were pretty much in the air already before the first hit on the madrassa spots.
Point is AEWCS is needed to be jammed or taken out before any actual air combat is initiated.
We don't have any thing that jams aewcs. And possibly not even in capability. We have no dedicated ew aircraft and surprisingly pakistan has a dedicated ew aircraft in the zdk-03. It's chinese jamming but still it's some jamming capability. We need E-7 wedgetail like capability and something on the lines of a super hornet blk 3 growler.
As for the rafale we need to get the source codes and induct over a 150 of them in the airforce.
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This is official by Indian authorities : Rafale and Sclap perform particularily well :

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Following the Sindoor operation, India expressed its full satisfaction with the performance of the French equipment used in the fighting (Rafale and SCALP) and, through its AD (Defence Attaché) in France, thanked France for the support expressed since the beginning of the operation. The AD (defence attaché) also expressed "India's strong appreciation for the joint DGA / AAE mission to India in mid-May to exchange information. The Indian partner confirmed that the Rafale system, with its munitions adapted to the most complex missions, performed particularly well during this operation.
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ANd what other people in the knowing think od Dassault :
"Dassault Aviation: Oddo BHF maintains its neutral recommendation with a price target raised from EUR 252 to EUR 345."
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Bro, on 7th early morning, Rafale were given a target which was very close to the IB between India and Pakistan. Just about 70kms in. That needed Rafale to go very close to IB and even enter Pak airspace. The short range of Hammer, brought Rafale very close to interception by the BVRAAMs fired by PAF J-10c. Su-30MKI and M2k performed better as they had many stand off range weapons integerated in them jointly develoved by India and Israel. Rafale did their job but were hit while retreating and the MAWS on Rafale are mounted on the tail which had very poor coverage in rear sector. SU-30MKI have very good rear area coverage due to its extended tail for MAWS. SU-30MKI defeated over 8 PL-15s due to this but Rafale was not that good. Plus just like our Astra Missile, PL-15 uses Ka band as its seeker and Indian Rafale has till not been modified for ESM for 40GHz. and Speectra too has no jamming available in that frequency band. It was part of India specific enhancements which have been paid by India but DA has failed to do those enhancements till date. Indian and Frecnch Rafale have no ability to detect or counter PL-15 as they just do not have the ability to detect them incoming. BUT hold on for real story and dont get fooled by propaganda. We switched to Scalp as a result of exposing Rafale to BVRAAMS of PAF. That made it very costly and so Jags with Rampage missiles performed and did a better job than Rafale. There is lot to be told about Rafale story. Hold your breath, It is not what is being claimed or stated. Wait for Air to air kills of Rafale. You need more weapons with stand off ranges on Rafale and you dont need to modify spectra when you are way beyond harm. Just be a striker with Meteor and other systems. I still maintain that no Rafale was lost and 2 may have got hit by splinters which landed back safely. Maybe we lost a Mig-29 and a M2K. Thats all.
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So what about the pics of AB part of M88 and vertical stabilizer found in a field ?

All fakes ?
Parthu said:
Israel's enemies do not have the kind of sophisticated IADS like China does.
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Turkey ???
 
Bon Plan said:
So what about the pics of AB part of M88 and vertical stabilizer found in a field ?

All fakes ?

Turkey ???
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Based upon pictoral evidence we likely lost one Rafale, one M-2000, one Mig-29 & one Heron UCAV. We never denied our losses(the above may be just conjecture different from real figure). Even DGAO Bharti said that losses are part of combat. CDS also acknowledged the same. We have maintained that all our pilots are safe. If we didn't lose any jets, it would have been definitively said till now. But we'll reveal our losses on our terms not to give the enemy any advantage. PAF is also not accepting its losses, then why should we?
 
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