Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

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Range would be problem again.
Distance between satellites is between 100s of km to 1000s of km.

Unless they are micro communication sats doing formation flying.

Energy would be problem too, solar panels ain't gonna be anywhere near to cut it.

The only way to make a ew satellite effective would be to, put a nuke in it, use it as an EMP weapon.
Which can't be/shouldn't be done for obvious reasons, but during cold war both soviets and americans played with the concept.


Another method could be, to send your own satellite into orbit, with extra propellant, use it to deorbit another sat in similar orbit.
Possible but quite complex, plus expensive.

Best and cheapest way for hard kill right now, is ASAT missiles.
Which are also relatively expensive.
Satellites can come quite closer to each other, some time ago Americans were crying that a Russian satellite came within 10 km of one of their defence satellites. I strongly suspect American X47B spaceplane is some anti satellite weapon which is meant to go close to satellites and use lasers to blind them or even destroy them. It has the capability to change orbits rapidly.

India demonstrated satellite rendezvous with SPADEX. Now we must focus on satellites with lasers to fire at other satellites in close range, as well as ground to space lasers to dazzle satellites.
 
I wonder what should India’s mode of operation be against China and Turkey when they side with Pak during the conflict — would their military intelligence units be considered a fair game and a legitimate target? If this continues unabated, China and Turkey will embolden further and will try get more involved. So, how does India force China and Turkey stay out of the conflict!

That depends on the policy makers, what they want out of Pakistan and what should be done with Pakistan. You can also NOT make long term policy because then adversary will come to know about it and prepare for that with the time. It has to very short and arbitrary. And for this, India's conventional power has to be 1.5 times more than what it currently has.
 
Which was that fourth country which was selected out by him? It was USA. They wanted us humiliated to be able to sell their third rate F-35.
The day this carnage in Pahalgain was decided authorised by Munir and cleared by China and USA, that day they knew that Modi will reataliate. USA and China worked together against us to see what our defensive and offensive capabilities are. in Pakistan nothing happens without the permission of China and USA. Right from Nixon and kissinger era, China and USA are friends and still work together.
China and US may both wish to suppress the Indian rise independently, but it's crazy to think they are working together. Let's avoid imagining collusions where there are none. We have a very real Axis of Pak/China/Turkey/BD to focus on. And both India and US are aligned that China is the most dangerous enemy #1.
 
China and US may both wish to suppress the Indian rise independently, but it's crazy to think they are working together. Let's avoid imagining collusions where there are none. We have a very real Axis of Pak/China/Turkey/BD to focus on. And both India and US are aligned that China is the most dangerous enemy #1.
US is our "covert" enemy no. 1. It's a great modern delusion that US is our friend. In fact, far from it! Thankfully GOI is fully aware of the American threat and are treading very carefully in this regard.

And lol at those people shocked at Indian army's revealation about real-time SAT feed given to Pak by China. @_Anonymous_, @randomradio You guys would remember what I said in the China war thread;)
 
Satellites can come quite closer to each other, some time ago Americans were crying that a Russian satellite came within 10 km of one of their defence satellites. I strongly suspect American X47B spaceplane is some anti satellite weapon which is meant to go close to satellites and use lasers to blind them or even destroy them. It has the capability to change orbits rapidly.

India demonstrated satellite rendezvous with SPADEX. Now we must focus on satellites with lasers to fire at other satellites in close range, as well as ground to space lasers to dazzle satellites.
****Another method could be, to send your own satellite into orbit, with extra propellant, use it to deorbit another sat in similar orbit.
Possible but quite complex, plus expensive.****


Asat missiles are just cheaper.
Especially if smaller ones capable of being carried by fighter jets like su30, f15 are mass produced.
 
Turkey I'm not worried about at all. They're far away and inferior to us in most capabilities. China is the real threat. We need to improve our anti satellite EW and jamming capabilities, as well as space to space and ground to space lasers to blind them. If we do this, it disrupts Chinese support to Pakistan and it also sends a message to China that we have the capability to fight them in space as well. But unfortunately, we are 5 years away from having such capabilities afaik.
We starting to put a space-based situational awareness system (Digantara SCOT) in place in the near term. Plus ISRO RLV is essentially an IAF prog which could provide similar capabilities as the US X-37 in due course. It could probably be used to deploy killer sats similar to those tested via SPADEX.

Other capabilities are a long way off. But we are coming up with a military space doctrine to formalize such ops. Once that happens, the IAFs Aerospace Command would be just around the corner.
 
China and US may both wish to suppress the Indian rise independently, but it's crazy to think they are working together. Let's avoid imagining collusions where there are none. We have a very real Axis of Pak/China/Turkey/BD to focus on. And both India and US are aligned that China is the most dangerous enemy #1.
They are infact working together.
 
US is our "covert" enemy no. 1. It's a great modern delusion that US is our friend. In fact, far from it! Thankfully GOI is fully aware of the American threat and are treading very carefully in this regard.

And lol at those people shocked at Indian army's revealation about real-time SAT feed given to Pak by China. @_Anonymous_, @randomradio You guys would remember what I said in the China war thread;)
US isn't our enemy yet. As long as the China threat exists we will be their frenemy if you like & they'd support us to the extent possible. Paxtan is a different ball game.

I don't think the US is comfortable with Paxtani nukes more so now that the Iranian program has received a huge setback & is desperately scouting for assistance in reviving their N program with an equally desperate Paxtan staring at an economic abyss. Tailor made situation for both to connect.

Not that they haven't in the past under AQ Khan "Bhopali" nuke trade network busted by the US who hauled Fauji Foundation over the coals but that was essentially coz Libya spilled the beans . The US or rather Israel won't get lucky all the time for that's essentially what this is all about.

I believe the US will find it increasingly difficult to balance Israeli fears about Paxtani nukes OTOH & OTOH balance the latter with India's growing ambitions by propping up Paxtan to counter balance us the way they seek to counter balance us with China.

Then again we've Hellfire about from the rooftops on how Fauji Foundation has ceded control of their nukes to the US. Whom do you believe now for if it's true then they're indirectly aiding India - the very opposite of what you're suggesting.
 
US is our "covert" enemy no. 1. It's a great modern delusion that US is our friend. In fact, far from it! Thankfully GOI is fully aware of the American threat and are treading very carefully in this regard.

And lol at those people shocked at Indian army's revealation about real-time SAT feed given to Pak by China. @_Anonymous_, @randomradio You guys would remember what I said in the China war thread;)

The AMTI threat was always there. The Chinese have had it for some years now, they even demonstrated their EO capabilities. Beidou isn't meant for AMTI though.

India is a future threat to the US. That's old story. Not today.
 
The AMTI threat was always there. The Chinese have had it for some years now, they even demonstrated their EO capabilities. Beidou isn't meant for AMTI though.
All of this bullshit tech aside, the bigger fact remains: why did Chinese tech stop working on March 10th?

I believe the dominant part is political reason why IAF did not do the needed SEAD DEAD. Rest is all bullshit.

The more and more I analyze it, the more and more it becomes clear... This tech bullshit is overrated. Simply give a full clear to the forces to completely destroy Pakistan once and for all.
 

Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, former foreign minister of Pakistan, expressed willingness to extradite individuals like Hafiz Saeed to India as a goodwill gesture, contingent on cooperation from New Delhi. He emphasized the importance of comprehensive dialogue, mentioning the need for Indian witnesses in Pakistani courts for effective prosecution.
 
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Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, former foreign minister of Pakistan, expressed willingness to extradite individuals like Hafiz Saeed to India as a goodwill gesture, contingent on cooperation from New Delhi. He emphasized the importance of comprehensive dialogue, mentioning the need for Indian witnesses in Pakistani courts for effective prosecution.
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All of this bullshit tech aside, the bigger fact remains: why did Chinese tech stop working on March 10th?

I believe the dominant part is political reason why IAF did not do the needed SEAD DEAD. Rest is all bullshit.

The more and more I analyze it, the more and more it becomes clear... This tech bullshit is overrated. Simply give a full clear to the forces to completely destroy Pakistan once and for all.

Both are isolated, nothing to do with each other.

The Chinese have advanced sat-based tech which provided real-time intelligence to the PAF. The IAF may not have attempted to jam Chinese surveillance tech. Otoh, PAF's tech was jammed, so they couldn't use their weapons effectively even though they had intel. It's extremely likely the PAF couldn't use Chinese intel directly with their weapons, meaning they are not part of the network.

When it comes to the IAF, yeah, all the limits placed were political. Modi says the next time there won't be any.

As for why things did not escalate further, Trump claims he threatened with trade to get India to stop, but I suppose the political objectives of the operation were met, even if our military objectives were cut short, regardless of Trump's words.
 
****Another method could be, to send your own satellite into orbit, with extra propellant, use it to deorbit another sat in similar orbit.
Possible but quite complex, plus expensive.****


Asat missiles are just cheaper.
Especially if smaller ones capable of being carried by fighter jets like su30, f15 are mass produced.
Against China when they wre helping Pak we can only rely on soft kill measures to deal with their satellites as kinetic ASAT = war.

De orbiting satellite requires grappling with robotic arm, very tough especially as other satellite can also move away quickly. We need lasers on sats which can dazzle satellites. Ground to space involves sending lasers through atmosphere, space has no such hurdles, so satellites with smaller laser weapons can still reach quite some range.
 
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Against China when they wre helping Pak we can only rely on soft kill measures to deal with their satellites as kinetic ASAT = war.

De orbiting satellite requires grappling with robotic arm, very tough especially as other satellite can also move away quickly. We need lasers on sats which can dazzle satellites. Ground to space involves sending lasers through atmosphere, space has no such hurdles, so satellites with smaller laser weapons can still reach quite some range.
Ground based laser, though requiring lot more power, will be overall more cheaper and doable, to blind satellites.
The Peresvet (Russian: Пересвет), named after Alexander Peresvet, is a Russian laser weapon for air defense and anti-satellite warfare
He also claimed the system can blind enemy satellites in orbits of up to 1,500 km and "disabling them during their fly-past by means of laser irradiation".
 
Ground based laser, though requiring lot more power, will be overall more cheaper and doable, to blind satellites.
The Peresvet (Russian: Пересвет), named after Alexander Peresvet, is a Russian laser weapon for air defense and anti-satellite warfare
He also claimed the system can blind enemy satellites in orbits of up to 1,500 km and "disabling them during their fly-past by means of laser irradiation".
We need this and the Krashuska to jam Chinese radars.
 
Ground based laser, though requiring lot more power, will be overall more cheaper and doable, to blind satellites.
The Peresvet (Russian: Пересвет), named after Alexander Peresvet, is a Russian laser weapon for air defense and anti-satellite warfare
He also claimed the system can blind enemy satellites in orbits of up to 1,500 km and "disabling them during their fly-past by means of laser irradiation".
Does this work on every satellite? Aren't there satellite with sensors that are immune to dazzlers?
 
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