Forget about 4th or 4+ gen jet engines, our target for AMCA MK2 is a 6th gen VCE engine(that's why it has 5.5 gen designation). Don't be pessmistic, rather wait for the details to come out!
Indo-France Aero Engine Co-Development Program
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Indians counting their chickens ....... whithout even having a hen/rooster.
5 years? It's half the minimal time for a developped from scratch engine. So a derivative of something already existing indeed.
It is just because they didn't need such a thrust.
It's easier to study and produce a big engine than a smaller.
Would love to see any European country making a 190kN thrust engine. Even the Chinese are failing spectacularly with it. The only two countries that could pull off something close to the f-135 are the Japanese and the Russians.
Thrust is not the problem.
As we don't have the need of such an engine no risk to see it in Europe.
just an exception (in "Europe" ) : Kouznetsov NK-32 of Tu-160 Blackjack. 240kN with reheat....
Possibly it was easy decision in the end. I mean what the Govt and MoD was looking for is a 4th gen engine in same F414 category. Almost certainly they will push 5th gen and all derivatives kind of narrative, when in reality it is not.
AMCA may need to be fitted with F414 ? was the reporter sleeping for the past 2 years ?
AMCA may need to be fitted with F414 ? was the reporter sleeping for the past 2 years ?
This is sad. I was hoping for RR with work starting from ground up. Not around an existing core.
But, oh well!
But, oh well!
It has to be clean sheet design that's why cost is very high.
Yes, but it was futuristic and gives better know how for future. That, i thought would matter given the technology transformation in current era. But, I thought too highly of the farsight of officials.
But I am not expert in engines and perhaps whatever know how our scientist lack will be covered in the deal.
So we choose a partner who is reluctant to share technology when another world leader had propose a full technology transfer.
By the way, RR had proposed the development of an engine for transport class aircrafts too from their proposed engine, why MOD didn't consider that?
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By the way, RR had proposed the development of an engine for transport class aircrafts too from their proposed engine, why MOD didn't consider that?
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China will master 5th gen engine by 2035 even if they haven't already. Let's not underestimate our enemy.
Chinese are attempting 190 kN engine?
I am neither underestimating nor overestimating our enemies... I am considering on enhancement of our own capabilities with the best available options to the maximum level... As per the present context Our Main Adversary is having a working 3rd gen aero engine like WS 15 in their inventory while we have nothing except a prototype Dry variant of Kaveri.... It is obvious that our main adversary will develop their aero engines to 4th gen and maybe even 5th gen level till 2035... But if we can develop an ecosystem of indigenous aero engine development ( R&D and Manufacturing) with multiple organisations and a working 4th gen aero engine through the JV with a Foreign engine developer till 2035, then it'll take us almost at per with our main adversary till 2035.... and with a sound eco system we can further develop our products through R&D... I'm more interested in self development than comparison.
See we have already invested a lot in the RAFALE ecosystem
And Rafale F5 looks like
a certainty for IAF
Now if RR is selling us the MOON and then they go back on their word , then our Engine dreams will become FUBAR
So far we have attained a very limited expertise through the AL 31 and Kaveri programmes
And some more technical know how will be achieved by the 414 domestic manufacturing
Now we are looking to make the leap towards the Fifth Generation engine with a JV and a lot of investment because we cannot do that alone
Don't officials of drdo interact with think tanks and others? How can they be shortsighted if they do.
We have to remember that Nuclear Submarine programme and the Missile programme also had Russian help , though it was done quietly and secretly
Even ISRO has taken foreign help at various stages in the last several decades
Our Knowledge Gap is in this Area is growing because the world is moving towards Adaptive Cycles and Sixth Generation , whatever
Simply put We could not have done it alone
Even ISRO has taken foreign help at various stages in the last several decades
Our Knowledge Gap is in this Area is growing because the world is moving towards Adaptive Cycles and Sixth Generation , whatever
Simply put We could not have done it alone
Definitely not quickly, it took decades and repeated failures, even reverse engineering for the nuke subs.
One of the rarest occasion where i am agreeing with this guy.
But I will take it. For real, india can't afford to be bogged down by activist in engine now.
But wait, I think I missed something. It says the ministry "suggests". Why suggests ? To whom? Itself? Ministry is suggesting itself to go with france?
. If it is a commitee, then why not say that commitee suggests. Who is final decision maker?
Genuinely curious