Indian broadcaster is reporting renewal of attacks on Pakistani establishment.
Balochistan : News, Discussions & Updates
- Thread starter Manmohan_MMY
- Start date
Hope India is providing targeting and intel using ghost Sims and encrypted radios. Its payback time.
Untill you force the reigns of intelligence in India from IPS cadre led RAW/IB to Armed forces led DIA, something like this will never happen.
Lol I doubt you know anything about RAW or its mode of ops before suggesting such ludicrous and laughable suggestions. You talk as if you are supremely confident that what he suggested is already not happening? Do you have any inkling of whether it is happening/not happening?
Only Arsalan and some others in PeeDF are actually analyzing the situation rationally rest all are like "janab Hindoo Yahoodi saazish attack and destroy Endia graape"
@safriz India bombed your country for Pahalgam and now you are blaming India for this attack but are you gon something about it boy? Or continue to cry and crib to the yellow and white man?
See the "bad" work done by the le bad "IPS" dominated RAW.
SSs from this very good read on RAW by ORF: The Historical Roots of Indian Intelligence
RAW has had failures but to dismiss it completely and to think DIA will magically solve everything is so foolish and copium filled. Even CIA and Mossad had failures so what should US and Israel do transfer their entire intelligence to their Army agencies? Lol. No rational and level headed thinking at all in such terrible suggestions.
Attachments
RAW is kept at the helm by Mudi and the silent sikh previously is because they are afraid of an armed forces led intelligence becoming a force like ISI of Pakistan.
The RAW however capable it might be, asks for political permission for anything outside Indian sovereign soil.
That is the problem. Because be it Mudi or 007 or jaan de denge, they are a reactive breed. Not proactive.
And how accurate I am is shown by what happened in Pulwama and then in Delhi. Folks here in the forum were reading the patterns but the great RAW.
Oo my Gawd, the greatness, the bestest of best, lol
Oh wow ISI lumber 1 agency graape!!! Stronger than civilian run CIA Mossad MI6 etc for sure right? I'm sure ISI's cyber capabilities gives the civilians at NSA sleepless nights. ISI's space imaging capabilities makes the civilian NRO sweat!
Vietnam 9/11 Afghanistan happened October 7th happened 2005 London Metro bombing happened so maybe the US Israel UK and others world powers must heed to Ankit vishwaguruji's advice and hand over their intelligence responsibility to their army too just like how it is with Lumber 1 ISI.
The truth is RAW severed 150,000 square km from Piggistan when global hegemony US was breathing down its neck and all ISI could do was shake their nunus. Them sending disposable monkeys to do blasts and gun attacks in India will never ever wipe out that shame or hide how shameless and napunsak ISI is.
ISI couldn't save Osama from CIA it couldn't save Bangladesh from us leave that it couldn't even save the children of Pakistani military people in Peshawar but you want us to have an agency like them
Last edited:
What are you on about? Just because we can "read the patterns" doesn't automatically turns into pinpointing the terrorists, their handlers and their plans.
Its easy for us to say that there's a chance of attack happening. But go into the field and search for sleeper cells among millions of people. It takes years and years of capability, assets buildup and 24/7 x 365 days monitoring to keep weeding out the pest.
Gone are the days when there was little to no coherence between several Indian intelligence agencies. NATGRID is up and running for 5+ years now, there's central databases and accessible intel too. That's just whats in the public domain.
As for your argument about RAW needing political approval for "anything" on foreign soil → you are mistaking decision power with operational freedom. Even the DIA and any other non-civilian agency would need political approval for any significant development. That doesn't mean that politicians can interfere in operational situation after a mission is on. That is how India's Military - Civilian partnership is evolving. Civil administration has the decision making power and responsibilities wrt the operation while armed forces get operational freedom. I doubt after the fiasco that was Morarji Desai, if even the PM has the details regarding individual agents etc.
I don't know what miraculous transformation you're expecting if DIA replaced RAW.
Serving in the Armed Forces are typically seen as honorable. Only in the banana republics do the Armed Forces carry out enhanced interrogation techniques. The Indian Armed Forces in particular has a squeaky clean image -- I don't think it's a good idea tarnishing that reputation.
We are innocent, please don't drag India name in the Pakistani kalah!
I disagree, having the first hand information on some events, don't claim to know it all though.
Oh wow ISI lumber 1 agency graape!!! Stronger than civilian run CIA Mossad MI6 etc for sure right? I'm sure ISI's cyber capabilities gives the civilians at NSA sleepless nights. ISI's space imaging capabilities makes the civilian NRO sweat!
Vietnam 9/11 Afghanistan happened October 7th happened 2005 London Metro bombing happened so maybe the US Israel UK and others world powers must heed to Ankit vishwaguruji's advice and hand over their intelligence responsibility to their army too just like how it is with Lumber 1 ISI.
The truth is RAW severed 150,000 square km from Piggistan when global hegemony US was breathing down its neck and all ISI could do was shake their nunus. Them sending disposable monkeys to do blasts and gun attacks in India will never ever wipe out that shame or hide how shameless and napunsak ISI is.
ISI couldn't save Osama from CIA it couldn't save Bangladesh from us leave that it couldn't even save the children of Pakistani military people in Peshawar but you want us to have an agency like them
The amount of ingress of Armed forces inside the government in US, if we had 5% of that, we would have done okay with khakhi chaddi UPSC pass outs led RAW.
You both have been maybe brainwashed by the recent Bollywood romanticization of RAW.
The want of control over Intelligence and an armed force by the government is what's destroying India.
Similar to intelligence, another field is border management. Had the CAPFs been left alone from the rot of UPSC passouts, we wouldn't be having the problem to track sleeper cells inside India with access to automatic weapons and explosives.
Imagine you are a diplomat with your family in Kandahar in a house. Who do you want as your protection? A platoon of ghatak, a platoon of ITBP guys or a platoon from any metro police in India?
The ghatak platoon is DIA, the ITBP guys are RAW and the metro police is IB.
The ITBP guys are doing well with the decision making constraints they have. But will you settle for them if you have a better alternative to protect your family?
It's R&AW job to be not seen and observable. It's not 007 job to only eliminate the threats by direct action. What is needed is to eliminate the threats by any & every possible tools available to the concerned people. Not be seen doesn't equate to not working for safety of our people.
My observations for the capability of IPS led intelligence organisations is based on how they handled the Burhan Wani era. Not on the actual groud, but on digital arena. And my experience has been since biased.
Post that nothing actually has happened which can help me change my views. Everyone has been made to believe the awe of how we handled the money laundering network in Kashmir valley. I have actually worked with a global payments company for AML solution. And again based on my experience that small group of people spread across Manila, Bangalore and San Jose are beating the shit out of our IPS led state capacity at combating this problem.
I know my view will not change the way this govt works, but I will not be silenced either by Bollywood inspired RAW lovers.
Again, as I have said earlier, Civil/military intelligence activities aren't open for discussion, except the news released by government channels after due moderation.
Have a good day ahead.
I would want SG or SFF guess who handles them. SG is the most elite special forces unit in the entire country. Have you heard of SG? You know what it is? Your argument is inherently poor.
Armed forces ingress inside US government and intelligence services couldn't stop 9/11 and couldn't nab that monster Bin Laden for 10 years. Couldn't win in Vietnam couldn't win in Afghanistan couldn't couldn't prevent communist takeover of Cuba. All of that despite a budget 100× bigger than ours and as you said le army in the intelligence and government. Now do whatever mental gymnastics you want on this.
This is not shittywood bravado, it's cold hard facts drawn from world powers.
Blind belief in systems created to protect the central power from an irrational fear will be the downfall of this current system.
Have a good day to rising sun.
And to the rational guy, come back when you actually know something worthwhile on how these guys function.