Astra Series Air to Air Missiles

On the contrary , when we are building a bvr missile series it very much depends on maturity of a certain level to then progress to the next level because user demand vis a vis threat projection borderline keep getting shifted over time. Astra itself started from a 40-45km range when the development started. Today that boundary has shifted to over 100km.
You can not arbitrarily build any range aspect because you start with a defined range figure then prove your technology over this baseline then move to times 2 or 3 gradually. This is where the maturity depends because the end goal is not flying further but to neutralise the threat effectively. This means maturing the guidance scheme, how the target is acquired, how obc handover the control to the seeker unit to direct the endgame guidance , which algorithm to work for the final few moments. Since I say algo and obc, it means there are computer codes involved stored on a tiny pcb , it also means there will always be coding glitches that need solving throughout its lifetime. Very often there are problems, there is never a precise perfect mathematical coding. This is what tech maturity is besides the hardware. It takes huge time to establish even the baseline 45 km astra, and that whole system would not perform up to expected spec when it is at 110km.

We learned dual pulse rocket motor tech with collab jv, and everyone involved have always said positive about it. It means the collab was successful up to expectation and now the use is in almost another 10-12 other projects, probably more. So the getting bare minimum part is not true, you will not be able to prove your statement with hard facts, proof or even by logical interpretation. Its your assumption without any basis.

The reason defence psus exist under Govt ownership is precisely for that, to mass produce at time of need. This is why only a Govt can afford to keep huge org like defence psu and its employee pool, machinery etc without that much order during peacetime but scale it up at short notice. Your consumption decide your intake and requirement volume. A govt can print its fiscal deficit, it can borrow money, it can save money, it can hold precious metals in reserve. But it can not accurately hedge against time or predict the future 100%. The hedge works upto a certain amount. A bird in hand is better than 2 in bush is how every Govt plan for. It is better to save money for wartime use than make the product because the product has a shelf life and explosives can take down the whole volume in its entirety.

Since we are making bvr missiles for the first time, the more existing or sometimes new products(which are based on stable previous product line) products you can acquire, your experience will mature as user and as developer also. So much like in study the more you read the more you get to know and your knowledge baseline expand which you can use to shape your own thought and opinion, science also work like that sometimes. Everything is highly defined scientific fact which fuels new breakthrough. What if this sky sting turns out good and later finds application in many other future programs ? That is always a plus.
But SkySting isn't even ready yet and we will not be involved AFAIK in its development, by the time it reaches maturity in all likelihood Astra Mk2 will be in LSP worst case. If it was ready to go fine, but its not! So what's the point? Makes no sense to me. R37 is ready and mature, so buying that makes sense, Meteor same story, but SkySting????
 
But SkySting isn't even ready yet and we will not be involved AFAIK in its development, by the time it reaches maturity in all likelihood Astra Mk2 will be in LSP worst case. If it was ready to go fine, but its not! So what's the point? Makes no sense to me. R37 is ready and mature, so buying that makes sense, Meteor same story, but SkySting????
LSP of Astra Mk2 was actually initiated in 2023 itself
 
But SkySting isn't even ready yet and we will not be involved AFAIK in its development, by the time it reaches maturity in all likelihood Astra Mk2 will be in LSP worst case. If it was ready to go fine, but its not! So what's the point? Makes no sense to me. R37 is ready and mature, so buying that makes sense, Meteor same story, but SkySting????
On technical specs

Astra mk2 is a dual pulse missile, even if its range is actually extended to ~240km, its dual pulse set up can't match the kinematic boost, 3rd pulse of sky sting gives in end game.
 
On technical specs

Astra mk2 is a dual pulse missile, even if its range is actually extended to ~240km, its dual pulse set up can't match the kinematic boost, 3rd pulse of sky sting gives in end game.
If SkySting was ready then sure no problem but it isnt!!! We're trying to eat the pie, the pie isn't ready. Thats my issue. Astra Mk2 is much further along we must put 100% efforts to make it as deadly as possible, when SkySting passes evaluations and is ready for full scale mass production maybe then we give it a thought but not now!
LSP of Astra Mk2 was actually initiated in 2023 itself
My "Indian unkill conspiracy" section of the brain is shouting that the Joos are putting up problems with radar integration with Astra to push SkySting but logically this perhaps is not what is happening.
 
A lot of in development systems had entered in expedited mode flight trials over the past 12 months, the notams & activity all pointed to it. natuarally we facing a war situation can not reveal everything with enemy listening, even though they have come forward with almost every possible info out as much as could be given for almost every system. Way way more than norm set in 2010 or before. Can not ask for more.
 
The Meteor weighs around 190kg and does >200km. If the Astra Mk3 can hit targets at 300km+ while still only weighing around 220kg, I think it's a phenomenal achievement on DRDO's part. Woud be interesting to see how the Chinese PL-21 stacks up against it.
Meteor max range is rumored to be 350km. Probably in a semi ballistic trajectory, usefull only against slow moving target....
 
Not really
Astra mk 1 uses a rail launcher , mk2 and mk3 (Gandiva) uses a pneumatic ejector launcher. Also the astra universal ejector launcher is a nato standard but for mk1 it's a Russian standard .
Universal Launcher is also designed for Astra MK1 along with its Russian standard rail launcher.
 
Universal Launcher is also designed for Astra MK1 along with its Russian standard rail launcher.
Universal launcher for astra is a pneumatic ejector launcher of NATO standard and not a rail type . Astra mk1 can only be launched from a Russian standard rail launcher and not pneumatic type . Mk2 and mk3 can only be launched from the universal NATO standard pneumatic launcher and not a rail of any standard.
How can a standard launcher launch both hot and cold launch missiles ? It doesn't even make sense.
 
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Universal launcher for astra is a pneumatic ejector launcher of NATO standard and not a rail type . Astra mk1 can only be launched from a Russian standard rail launcher and not pneumatic type . Mk2 and mk3 can only be launched from the universal NATO standard pneumatic launcher and not a rail of any standard.
How can a standard launcher launch both hot and cold launch missiles ? It doesn't even make sense.
@4:23 mark, you can see cold ejection launch of Astra MK1 in official IAF video:

 
That's a Rudram 1 aka NGARM not Astra . Astra mk1 has been standardized for rail launching .
Lol, no. That is a dummy Astra MK1 missile validating ejector cold launch. Rail launch would limit Astra MK1 to only outer pylons as inner pylons would need cold launch via ejection because of fear of MKI's engines ingesting Astra MK1's exhaust plume. Thus Universal launcher was needed to make Astra MK1 usable on all of MKI's pylons.

In this screenshot from the video, you could see Astra MK1 missile along with the Universal Ejector launcher:

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This is my last post on this topic. Rest feel free to disagree👍