Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis

J10 is equipped with only air to air weapons (Pl15 and Pl10) .I have not seen any mainstream A2G weapon loaded on J10.Ground strikes were conducted through JF17 using CM400AKG ALBM on S400 positions.

For Pakistan, J10C in air and SH-15s on ground did incredible job.
JF17 strikes on S400 failed utterly. You guys couldn't hit anything of note and there is 0 evidence unless you count le Physics Professor Auragnzebs centre of gravity explanation. The launchers and main radars were unscathed.

But J10C indeed downed a single Rafale along with 2 other IAF aircrafts. Some here think it was HQ9 but 90% chance that it was PL15 from J10C (not PL15E but the real deal imo).
 
JF17 strikes on S400 failed utterly. You guys couldn't hit anything of note and there is 0 evidence unless you count le Physics Professor Auragnzebs centre of gravity explanation. The launchers and main radars were unscathed.

But J10C indeed downed a single Rafale along with 2 other IAF aircrafts. Some here think it was HQ9 but 90% chance that it was PL15 from J10C (not PL15E but the real deal imo).
JF17 with Cm400akg is not a perfect combo for a successful SEAD mission.
PAF at the moment actually lacks critical SEAD capabilities so if S400 escaped wouldn't surprise me.
 
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JF17 with Cm400akg is not a perfect combo for a successful SEAD mission.
PAF at the moment actually lacks critical SEAD capabilities so if S400 escaped wouldn't surprise me.
If the s-400 had been taken out the 10th May strike wouldn't have be successful. The cm-400 akg is just a ballistic missile with no real maneuverability. It would have been intercepted plus the s-400 team were switching positions
 
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Waah, mental gymnastics to cope now.



**As of March 2026, the Defence Secretary indicated that India is still considering proposals from both Russia and the U.S. but has not taken a final call, with reports of "unresolved evaluation issues"**.

This clearly shows talks/chatter from gov. Side going on, the defence secretary himself talked about the chatter/talks happens and are continuing.

That's an *assumption* by your side, with nothing to back it up with.

Again, defense secretary himself talked about discussions taking place.

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Mf's with fragile ego, can't afford to look wrong, I guess.
My bad. I ended up mixing up the sixth generation jet requirement with 5th generation procurement.There is one discussion regarding association with European partners for 6th generation jet while there is an older discussion ongoing regarding 5th generation jet requirement, be it from AMCA, F35, Su (2 different jets) etc.
 
JF17 with Cm400akg is not a perfect combo for a successful SEAD mission.
PAF at the moment actually lacks critical SEAD capabilities so if S400 escaped wouldn't surprise me.
Chinese SEAD weapons lack in range except that ALBM of 2,000 km they have unfortunately for you that only fits on H6 bomber which PAF doesn't have. Other than that they only have that 200 km SEAD weapon whose name I forgot. Using that against S400 is suicidal.

BTW S400 didn't "escape", it was waiting for you in Adampur but you never came 😂.
 
But I thought rafale didn't need standoff jamming? And spectra was enough @anonymous

Saab erieye has 450 KM detection range. It could have guided. Also the alleged shootdown were all under sub-100km from the Pakistani border. The Bhatinda one being 80km. The pl-15E itself could have achieved those kills. They had spammed about a 20-25 pl-15's atmost across the airspace.
Pak Saab Erieye has detection range of 350 km in EW environment. Tracking range goes down to 250 km. You can check official sources for this.

This saab Erieye + pl-15 kill chain theory is just BS & explained technically by many members here ...still I don't understand why people popping up again & again with same BS....
@babablacksheep he provided links of this discussion many times.
( Personally I don't even think saab Erieye integrated with pl-15).

I explained the range pl-15 need to cover before hitting anything in Indian airspace in my previous post. You should read that first.
 
Pak Saab Erieye has detection range of 350 km in EW environment. Tracking range goes down to 250 km. You can check official sources for this.

This saab Erieye + pl-15 kill chain theory is just BS & explained technically by many members here ...still I don't understand why people popping up again & again with same BS....
@babablacksheep he provided links of this discussion many times.
( Personally I don't even think saab Erieye integrated with pl-15).

I explained the range pl-15 need to cover before hitting anything in Indian airspace in my previous post. You should read that first.
So what's your theory?
 
Ground based sam.

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There based anti-air missile is the pl-15 with 145-300km range why would they use the inferior HQ-9.
And the shotdown was not in Bhatinda AFS it was near Bhatinda AFS

The Bathinda site was 80km from Indian border which is well within of the pl-15 if fired from near the Pakistani bordering Indian airspace especially when multiple pl-15's were most likely fired at a single target.
Keep in mind a total of 20 pl-15's were launched at singular groups of attacking indian aircrafts. The planes were meant to strike first and the air cover was more designed for intruding Pakistani aircraft with no AEWCs so it was all satellite targetted and ground control dependent and this time the Pakistanis were not surprised like Balakot they had enough time to prepare. Plus they had AEWCs support
 
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Pak Saab Erieye has detection range of 350 km in EW environment. Tracking range goes down to 250 km. You can check official sources for this.

This saab Erieye + pl-15 kill chain theory is just BS & explained technically by many members here ...still I don't understand why people popping up again & again with same BS....
@babablacksheep he provided links of this discussion many times.
( Personally I don't even think saab Erieye integrated with pl-15).

I explained the range pl-15 need to cover before hitting anything in Indian airspace in my previous post. You should read that first.
Rafale was hit within 50-60km range envelop of Pl15.
Eriye can't directly communicate with chinese origin assets. But with the secure communication through ground control stations, near real time communication is achieved.


Hitting an Asset like Rafale from 60km is still a great shot from PAF .
American and Israeli pilots get their fighters successfully out of 10km ranged SAM fires in Iran war.
 
There based anti-air missile is the pl-15 with 145-300km range why would they use the inferior HQ-9.
And the shotdown was not in Bhatinda AFS it was near Bhatinda AFS

The Bathinda site was 80km from Indian border which is well within of the pl-15 if fired from near the Pakistani bordering Indian airspace especially when multiple pl-15's were most likely fired at a single target.
Keep in mind a total of 20 pl-15's were launched at singular groups of attacking indian aircrafts. The planes were meant to strike first and the air cover was more designed for intruding Pakistani aircraft with no AEWCs so it was all satellite targetted and ground control dependent and this time the Pakistanis were not surprised like Balakot they had enough time to prepare. Plus they had AEWCs support
Pl15's max range ~180km and that's for ingressing target , and as usual hitting targets at max ranges is a quite a low probability, and for a egressing target its even lower.

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Multiple Pl-15's we're fire more up north, near kashmir area, that's where Pakistani airforce base karma that houses j10, erieye awacs is present, IAF striked targets all along Pakistani border from north to south, the spray &pray of PL-15 *loosely* guided by erieye awacs happened more up north , not in Bhatinda.

& no Pakistani plane is safe from our ground defences, if its flying near our border.


And HQ-9's has engagement range upto 290-300km using its longest range missiles( though for hitting fighter most likely lot lower range).

So how is HQ-9 inferior? Not to mention ground based sams are generally more heavy as, more kinematics performance, more bigger warhead.
 
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JF17 with Cm400akg is not a perfect combo for a successful SEAD mission.
Saftain, don't you a have 100 of those brazilian MAR-1 missiles for SEAD/DEAD?

PAF at the moment actually lacks critical SEAD capabilities so if S400 escaped wouldn't surprise me.
And is it not the prevailing belief that s400 was utterly destroyed apart from multiple static locations also but pakistan is not releasing the evidence for all these damages due to India blocking satellite images etc as spread in PDF by that bhagoda mohazir with Keyser Söze dp? you telling me that you don't believe that BS?
 
JF17 with Cm400akg is not a perfect combo for a successful SEAD mission.
PAF at the moment actually lacks critical SEAD capabilities so if S400 escaped wouldn't surprise me.
I hope people do realize that the s400 is not the end all system. The actual systems doing the heavy work are the MRSAM and the akash. The s400 is mostly used as a sniper for long range snipes of Aircraft and against high end missiles that need to be intercepted at range or cannot be intercepted at the altitude required by the MRSAM/akash.
 
don't you a have 100 of those brazilian MAR-1 missiles for SEAD/DEAD?
PAF solely relies on signal intelligence for SEAD but in my opinion that's a poor man's way to SEAD/DEAD.
Cm400akg, cruise missiles, long range rockets everything is great but PAF lacks one core capability:
The ability of active surveillance over enemy assets through expendable yet reliable means.
Something like American RQ-170/RQ-180 unarmed surveillance UAV extensively used for SEAD/DEAD against Iranian SAMs.

Anka-3 & KE are the options but Turks have put too much stuff there making them quite expensive.
Pakistan will eventually need its own stealth yet low cost design for this purpose.
 
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S400 and their chinese derivatives like HQ9 and co are actually fat @$$ designs - long range - will scare away the enemy assets like jets - but against munitions defence where agility and top notch sensor technology matters, their performance will be shitty.

Chinese Pl15 is the only air kill munition that has impressed me and that's because Chinese put top notch sensors in pl15's head.
 
The case of Pakistan claiming S400 being taken out is similar to india claiming Mig21 shot down F-16 in 2019 standoff when literally no evidence exist for both of these claims.
Our F-16 claim is based on radar data & DG-ISPR claiming of capturing 2 pilot's which he later retracted. Porkiye claim of destroying S-400 is based on nothing other than morphed satellite images busted the same day.
 
Our F-16 claim is based on radar data & DG-ISPR claiming of capturing 2 pilot's
Radar data? And a claim under fog of war?
Now if you are at that, then let me tell you, PAF has also presented the data showing completely breached communication of Rafale pilots with its control stations.
But we, the public, can never verify the authenticity of those claims.

So no point in arguing over those claims.

F16's wreckage would have been an authentic proof of India's claim but there exist none

And mind you, i can also call you people r@ndians and what not , but that obviously doesn't serve any purpose.
 
Radar data? And a claim under fog of war?
Now if you are at that, then let me tell you, PAF has also presented the data showing completely breached communication of Rafale pilots with its control stations.
But we, the public, can never verify the authenticity of those claims.

So no point in arguing over those claims.

F16's wreckage would have been an authentic proof of India's claim but there exist none

And mind you, i can also call you people r@ndians and what not , but that obviously doesn't serve any purpose.
Yes Porkiye showed a poor PPT slide, few Photoshops all busted the same day & an alleged intercept with accent sounding typical of Porkiye lundjabi...... Rest the thrashing you lot received for next 3 days was pure joy for us, utter humiliation of epic proportion.
 
Yes Porkiye showed a poor PPT slide, few Photoshops all busted the same day & an alleged intercept with accent sounding typical of Porkiye lundjabi...... Rest the thrashing you lot received for next 3 days was pure joy for us, utter humiliation of epic proportion.
Gentleman, Your argument style reveals you went through horrible childhood and those memories still haunt you.

May God guide your soul.