PAK-FA / Sukhoi Su-57 - Updates and Discussions

Most of this is not real. The EA advantage doesn't exist. The only real parameter is who owns the longer sticks. Right now the longest stick is with the Chinese.
Su-57 is far easier.

LRAAMs like PL-17 typically need 3rd party midcourse guidance from AWACS, sats, drones and other assets over large distances to be effective.

Jam those links and the missile goes blind (HOJ might not be as effective against stealth ac)

The rafale experience has shown that western tech just cannot be integrated to indian tech. Had the rafales had the rampages and Popeyes on day 1 we wouldn't have lost one due to use of short ranged hammer.


If Ukraine can integrate Scalp and SDBs onto its MiG-29s and Su-24s, integrating Indian weapons on the Rafale shouldn't be much of a problem, imo.

Some years back there were reports that the IAF wanted to fit the Kh-31 ARM on the Rafale but that plan seems to have been dropped in favour of the NGARM now.
 

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It is theoretically possible that Russian operators/oem crews could've gleaned data on the F-35s radar signature and sent it back to HQ.

You'd recall that Isreali F-35Is stayed clear of Iranian airspace during last year's air strikes until they were able to suppress specific S-400 units in that country. This shows that the threat perception is high.

The first one is absolute BS.

The second one is just the normal way of doing things. There are no S-400s in Iran, only S-300s.

All that is a thing of the past. After the Abraham accords, there has been a considerable thaw in relations between UAE-Israel. The Isrealis have reportedly even deployed Iron Dome to protect Abu Dhabi and other locations in the UAE.

Trump may well clear F-35 for the UAE once Iran is put in its place.

In theory, we are approaching the 15-year mark. First Israeli F-35s were inducted in 2016. I supppose the Iran War can make things faster for the UAE alone, but officially they say they won't be buying the F-35 'cause the Americans shafted them, this is as of 2021.


This plays into the French F5 deal they had. And now that it stands canceled and Trump's back, plus Iran War, maybe things will get hot again.

Acquiring the F-35 would've meant USAF/oem trainers and maintenance crews on our frontline airbases relaying info on IAF ops during Op Sindoor in real time. Not to mention US gaining access to tactical data acquired by the F-35s during the course of ops and potentially tipping off their lackeys in Pak.

Similar concerns have also been raised about the 2 leased MQ-9Bs being operated by the IN. These are reportedly being flown by GA crews based in Arrakonnam, iirc.

The 15 new birds on order for the IN will likely also share MDA data with the US under Comcasa/Beca as part of 'intel sharing'.

US won't get access to IAF bases just because of the F-35. The way the EUM works, the US can only access bases that we allow. For example, if the US team comes to India to monitor F-35 activities, the planes can be brought to a venue that's not operationally important to India. Like Nagpur.

And no, there's no compulsion for India to share any intel. COMCASA is just an agreement to use American data links, it does not affect us in any operational capacity. BECA gives us access to military-grade GPS signals to operate the drones. This impacts only the drones. COMCASA and BECA in fact gives us access to their intel networks, air and sat network via CENTRIXS and SOSUS.

A lot of the criticisms against the foundational agreements are just BS.
 
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If you remove the materials argument and the intake design it pretty much is kinda 5th gen

Su-57 uses advanced materials like CFRP with radar absorption capabilities, essentially RAS. This is no different from the F-35. This variant is very likely to come with metamaterials from the outset too. AMCA and Ghatak will be the same.

The inlet, yeah. It's more performance oriented than stealth, but it should still be more competitive than Su-57 since the Russians say so.

If Su-57D provides a 10 dB advantage over Su-57, then we have a proper stealth jet. All it needs is the Izd 30 with flat nozzles for the complete package.
 
If you remove the materials argument and the intake design it pretty much is kinda 5th gen
It's a proper stealth jet. Entire design is stealth optimized. Inlets are also semi-S ducts with intergrated radar blockers which are as good as full on S-ducts.

As per the Russians, the twin-seat Su-60 will be more stealthy than the baseline single-seat variant.
In terms of climb rate, Su-57D seems to be as good as single-seat version, which means very impressive👍
 
The 15 new birds on order for the IN will likely also share MDA data with the US under Comcasa/Beca as part of 'intel sharing'.
COMCASA is just CISMOA, modified to address whatever concerns we've had with the standard agreement. It's purely for secure comms between and within US/NATO allied network, and not operational data sharing. BECA involves sharing of geospatial intel too. Without BECA, there's no operating the MQ-9B (or any other drone) or any satellite intel sharing (goes both ways btw) between the 2 countries.
 
The first one is absolute BS.

The second one is just the normal way of doing things. There are no S-400s in Iran, only S-300s.

Two countries (incidentally enemies) giving up their respective S-300/400s just prior to being approved for the F-35 can't be a mere coincidence, imo.

As a 5G stealth jet, the F-35 was billed by LM as being able to operate in hostile airspace (using JDAM/SDB type direct attack munitions) covered by LRSAMs just like S-400.

But the fact that SEAD is still required in real world conditions tells me that S-400 poses a real threat to the F-35.

And no, there's no compulsion for India to share any intel. COMCASA is just an agreement to use American data links, it does not affect us in any operational capacity. BECA gives us access to military-grade GPS signals to operate the drones. This impacts only the drones. COMCASA and BECA in fact gives us access to their intel networks, air and sat network via CENTRIXS and SOSUS.

Any data shared over US supplied datalinks/satcom is likely routed through/backed up on US based servers for redundancy.

Besides, data captured by US origin systems like MQ-9B may need to be accessed during routine maintenance by GA, etc. Though we have agreements in place to protect such data, the US isn't exactly known to abide by rules.
 
A 5th gen fighter, in addition to the Low Observability, is also 5th gen because of the improvement in avionics and computation capabilities.

If we still need a WSO in addition to a pilot, then it's not actually a 5th gen aircraft.