India revives plan to acquire small submarines. Foreign design or indigenous solution is the question

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New Delhi: The Indian Navy is pushing to acquire at least two, if not more, Special Operations Vessels (SOVs) along with Swimmer Delivery Vehicles (SDVs), ThePrint has learnt.

The Navy has initiated discussions with at least two Indian shipyards and two foreign manufacturers for procurement of these vessels, often referred to as midget submarines, meant for covert missions by the Navy’s elite Marine Commandos (MARCOS).

Sources said conversations are underway with state-run Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) and Larsen & Toubro (L&T), both of which have their own midget submarine concepts.
The Navy is also in talks with a few European firms, which have such midget submarines among their offerings. Interestingly, established conventional submarine designers, like TKMS, Naval Group, Hanwha Ocean or Navantia, do not offer such smaller submarines meant for covert littoral operations as most large blue water navies do not operate such submarines.

Some countries that rely heavily on such midget submarines are Iran, North Korea and Pakistan.

The Indian Navy, given its unique doctrinal requirements for both blue water and littoral operations, has long wanted to acquire these submarines.

Italian companies like Fincantieri and Drass have been active in the small submarine segment, with Drass having supplied midget submarines to Pakistan and West Asia in the past. Sources said that the Indian Navy has also reached out to both firms.

The development comes nearly two decades after India first initiated plans to acquire midget submarines for special forces operations.

The original project was launched in 2006 and a tender issued in 2009. At the time, L&T, already deeply involved in the construction of India’s Arihant-class nuclear submarines, submitted a bid in partnership with Russia’s Rubin Design Bureau.

MDL and state-run Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) had tied up with Italian shipyard Fincantieri and submitted their individual bids. The ABG Shipyard and Pipavav Shipyard also submitted their bids in collaboration with GSE Trieste, Italy, and Babcock, UK, respectively.

However, the programme was eventually scrapped, and in 2016-17, HSL was nominated for the project. The project failed to move forward because HSL could neither develop an indigenous design nor finalise a foreign design partner. South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries had shown interest, but its offering was an all-electric vessel that did not meet operational requirements.

HSL later explored the possibility of offloading the project onto other Indian shipyards, but nothing materialised and the programme once again became dormant.

In late 2022, the Navy issued a fresh Request for Information (RFI) for SOVs. Responses came from MDL, L&T and HSL.

In May 2024, MDL, under the previous administration, unveiled a scaled model of its ‘Arowana’ midget submarine under its previous management. The model drew widespread criticism online for its appearance, though officials maintain the design itself remains under development.

Sources said the Navy is now looking for midget submarines with a displacement of around 500 tonnes, capable of carrying approximately 20 personnel on board.

As mentioned above, the Navy is examining some foreign options like Fincantieri’s S800A or Drass’ DGK class for their ingenious designs. Drass signed a framework agreement with Indonesia in February this year for supplying their DGK class subs along with their SDVs to the Indonesian Navy. Interestingly, Drass’ DGK class design is highly modular and is even transportable on road.

However, these Italian designs are still on paper and no physical submarine of these new designs has been built or supplied to any navy yet.

L&T has been showcasing their in-house design of a mini submarine for the past few years in many forums, including Defexpos. It is understood that L&T has now attained a high degree of maturity in their own design, conceptualised by drawing upon its experience in the Arihant programme. The company is pitching its own solution for Indian Navy’s SOV project as an indigenously designed, developed and manufactured platform under the coveted Buy India (IDDM) category of the DAP.

If the Indian Navy picks a foreign option, the acquisition is likely to be through a direct purchase with little or no indigenous content as localisation through ToT is generally deemed impractical in an acquisition programme of small numbers with limited budget.

Sources said that everything depends on what the government of the day decides upon—the indigenous way or the foreign route.

 
Is there any need for midget subs ?? May be around waters of gujrat and mumbai or may be around west bengal

I have heard that , a sub is best bet against another sub

So is it because of Pakistan buying hangor subs ?

Because i dont find any usability of having special operatives subs as where we will wo any such operation ??
 
Is there any need for midget subs ?? May be around waters of gujrat and mumbai or may be around west bengal

I have heard that , a sub is best bet against another sub

So is it because of Pakistan buying hangor subs ?

Because i dont find any usability of having special operatives subs as where we will wo any such operation ??

The Pakistanis are working on a new shallow water midget sub with possible Turkish assistance. This would replace their older Cosmos class 'chariots'. The IN needs to get into the game asap.

Considering how Iran's fleet of Ghadir subs put the USN on the defensive around Hormuz, midgets still have a role to play in sea denial/asymmetric ops.
 
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New Delhi: The Indian Navy is pushing to acquire at least two, if not more, Special Operations Vessels (SOVs) along with Swimmer Delivery Vehicles (SDVs), ThePrint has learnt.

The Navy has initiated discussions with at least two Indian shipyards and two foreign manufacturers for procurement of these vessels, often referred to as midget submarines, meant for covert missions by the Navy’s elite Marine Commandos (MARCOS).

Sources said conversations are underway with state-run Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) and Larsen & Toubro (L&T), both of which have their own midget submarine concepts.
The Navy is also in talks with a few European firms, which have such midget submarines among their offerings. Interestingly, established conventional submarine designers, like TKMS, Naval Group, Hanwha Ocean or Navantia, do not offer such smaller submarines meant for covert littoral operations as most large blue water navies do not operate such submarines.

Some countries that rely heavily on such midget submarines are Iran, North Korea and Pakistan.

The Indian Navy, given its unique doctrinal requirements for both blue water and littoral operations, has long wanted to acquire these submarines.

Italian companies like Fincantieri and Drass have been active in the small submarine segment, with Drass having supplied midget submarines to Pakistan and West Asia in the past. Sources said that the Indian Navy has also reached out to both firms.

The development comes nearly two decades after India first initiated plans to acquire midget submarines for special forces operations.

The original project was launched in 2006 and a tender issued in 2009. At the time, L&T, already deeply involved in the construction of India’s Arihant-class nuclear submarines, submitted a bid in partnership with Russia’s Rubin Design Bureau.

MDL and state-run Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) had tied up with Italian shipyard Fincantieri and submitted their individual bids. The ABG Shipyard and Pipavav Shipyard also submitted their bids in collaboration with GSE Trieste, Italy, and Babcock, UK, respectively.

However, the programme was eventually scrapped, and in 2016-17, HSL was nominated for the project. The project failed to move forward because HSL could neither develop an indigenous design nor finalise a foreign design partner. South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries had shown interest, but its offering was an all-electric vessel that did not meet operational requirements.

HSL later explored the possibility of offloading the project onto other Indian shipyards, but nothing materialised and the programme once again became dormant.

In late 2022, the Navy issued a fresh Request for Information (RFI) for SOVs. Responses came from MDL, L&T and HSL.

In May 2024, MDL, under the previous administration, unveiled a scaled model of its ‘Arowana’ midget submarine under its previous management. The model drew widespread criticism online for its appearance, though officials maintain the design itself remains under development.

Sources said the Navy is now looking for midget submarines with a displacement of around 500 tonnes, capable of carrying approximately 20 personnel on board.

As mentioned above, the Navy is examining some foreign options like Fincantieri’s S800A or Drass’ DGK class for their ingenious designs. Drass signed a framework agreement with Indonesia in February this year for supplying their DGK class subs along with their SDVs to the Indonesian Navy. Interestingly, Drass’ DGK class design is highly modular and is even transportable on road.

However, these Italian designs are still on paper and no physical submarine of these new designs has been built or supplied to any navy yet.

L&T has been showcasing their in-house design of a mini submarine for the past few years in many forums, including Defexpos. It is understood that L&T has now attained a high degree of maturity in their own design, conceptualised by drawing upon its experience in the Arihant programme. The company is pitching its own solution for Indian Navy’s SOV project as an indigenously designed, developed and manufactured platform under the coveted Buy India (IDDM) category of the DAP.

If the Indian Navy picks a foreign option, the acquisition is likely to be through a direct purchase with little or no indigenous content as localisation through ToT is generally deemed impractical in an acquisition programme of small numbers with limited budget.

Sources said that everything depends on what the government of the day decides upon—the indigenous way or the foreign route.


Hope the L&T SOV400 is selected. They've been making consistent iterative improvements to the design for over half a decade at this point and it's become quite the mature design.

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Is there any need for midget subs ?? May be around waters of gujrat and mumbai or may be around west bengal. Because i dont find any usability of having special operatives subs as where we will wo any such operation ??

If the Navy says there's a requirement, then so there is. However, given the apparent lack of urgency even after several failed attempts to procure, it's not a pressing requirement.

The capability being delivered is the covert insertion & retrieval of SF units from coastal & riverine zones. We can still do that today (533mm torpedo tubes on our SSKs can deploy/retrieve combat swimmers), but with our current options we have to bring full-fledged submarines (like Kilo, Type-209 or Scorpene) dangerously close to hostile coasts in order to do this effectively.

Having a Dry-Deck Shelter (DDS) that can deploy SDVs is a better & safer option. But our current fleet of SSKs are either too small or otherwise not equipped to support DDS operations like the SSNs of US Navy can.

So a midget submarine is a useful asset as it removes the need to bring principle combatants into risky waters. Having a midget sub that can deploy its own SDVs (like the L&T SOV400 can) is even better as it increases standoff distance even for the midget sub's own safety.

Additionally, it's also possible that these midget subs can be outfitted to carry out other covert littoral missions, like cutting/tapping subsea communication cables on the shallow shelf before they make landfall, mining coastal areas so enemy subs/ships are under threat as soon as they leave port etc.

Overall, midget subs are a nice thing to have for sure. Lots of unconventional warfare options open up.

I have heard that , a sub is best bet against another sub

So is it because of Pakistan buying hangor subs ?

Nothing to do with Hangor. Entirely different kind of submarine for different kind of mission.