Turkey-Pakistan-BD form a direct threat for India (assuming BD accepts KSA invite) even if KSA sits it out. And in the past, the internal conflicts within India was funded by KSA through Pak.
Turkey - Pakistan - Saudi Arabia joint defense pact
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Turkey-Pakistan-BD form a direct threat for India (assuming BD accepts KSA invite) even if KSA sits it out. And in the past, the internal conflicts within India was funded by KSA through Pak.
Let's see what happens the next time there's a skirmish on the lines of Operation Sindoor. I'd like to see how many of these treaty allies join Paxtan ?!
It's going the way previous treaties like CENTO & SEATO went. Apart from individual countries providing some material & monetary assistance to Paxtan nothing much happened.
However there exists a real danger of KSA bankrolling Turkey's massive MIC under construction which'd give Paxtan access & pose an alternative to China & the US . That ought to be worrying.
Yo Pops ! Please do yourself & us a favour & stick to threads on technical matters. That's where yours & Paddy's expertise lie .
Iran is, as long as drived by Mollah, an outcast.
Israel is a threat for Iran (mainly because Iran is a threat for israel). Between Israel and Turkey there is only Syria problem. But between Israel and Pakistan ???
It's early days, give it a few years, Long term it makes sense to have Iran sitting at the table
There are several other countries that are looking at joining
There are several other countries that are looking at joining
- Bangladesh: Bangladeshi officials confirmed they received an invitation to join the pact and stated that the government views the prospect positively while considering national interests. [1, 2]
- Egypt: Cairo has stated it is studying the prospect of joining, with analysts noting its large military and strategic position make it a leading candidate for expansion. [1, 2]
- Iran: Reports have circulated regarding a potential invitation to Tehran. While an Iranian parliamentary media official indicated an invitation was received, the Iranian Foreign Ministry later stated no official invitation had been formally delivered. [1]
- Syria: Syrian foreign policy officials indicated that the country is considering joining the agreement, though no final decision has been made. [1]
- Other Gulf States: Wealthy regional nations such as Qatar and Kuwait are frequently discussed by regional analysts as logical future additions due to their financial and strategic depth
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Tough for Iran to join Mecca pact as it is directed against Iran only and Russian influence within Iran.
For India it will be a diplomatic challenge in case of escalation with Pakistan. All these countries will supply Pakistan capital, intelligence and defence equipment and same time will try to tie India's hand like every time to call for cease fire via diplomatic channels. During operation no one should be talking to these countries if they call for cease fire.
Last time every one wanted India to punish Pakistan once for all. Except for one almost every on stayed silent. India gave message that this nuclear blackmail and threats won't work to call for cease fire. PM Modi had told clearly that if Pakistan hits India will hit back three times the force.
Last time every one wanted India to punish Pakistan once for all. Except for one almost every on stayed silent. India gave message that this nuclear blackmail and threats won't work to call for cease fire. PM Modi had told clearly that if Pakistan hits India will hit back three times the force.
India must publish an updated mil doctrine/defence white paper spelling out clearly that third parties/treaty allies will be targeted with extreme prejudice if they give Pak direct support.
Heck the target set must also include commercial tankers, supply ships and tanker/aew as well. No room for ambiguity here.
That should make the Saudis more circumspect after what Iran's did to them just recently.
There is no one officially said it's to counter, Supported by Russia and China, It's actually to counter Israel and their greater Israel zionist dream
India is concerned, because Pak/China is involved, who are supporting Iran, as well as Mecca group, I don't see the group threatening India
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This is a double edge sword can be used by anywhere by it's 'masters'. Turkey being the NATO member and Saudi Arab being fully under US influence says it all, the only odd parameter here is China. Without proper defence equipment this pact is blunt. Some one has to provide them with all the support. Who is actually behind the pact will be clear within one year time.
Would Pakistan have to fight Israel under Mecca pact? - Türkiye Today
Türkiye's NATO ties, close US ties act as check on any war scenario with Israel but Pakistan still needs to stay prepared, says defense expert Hussain
www.turkiyetoday.com
A first test for Mecca Pact
Due to the increasingly aggressive military stance of both Israel and Iran, the Mecca Pact might get put to the test a bit early in the day.On Aug. 18, Israel struck the Abu al-Duhur airbase in northwestern Syria, saying that it was to prevent a possible Turkish military deployment there.
For a while, Washington has been working on a de-confliction mechanism involving Israel, Türkiye and Syria. But now, this tug of war between Türkiye and Israel over Syria could become a wider issue, as Ankara just signed a mutual defense pact with Riyadh and Islamabad.
Under a similar bilateral mutual defense agreement with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan recently deployed around 8,000 additional troops, air defense systems, and fighter jets to its regular military presence on the ground.
And now, with the ongoing escalations between Ankara and Tel Aviv, the question arises whether Islamabad would have to play the same role as in Saudi Arabia if Israel and Türkiye have an armed face-off?
So let's get this right pops - Is everything between Iran & KSA forgiven ? Is the alliance with Iran supposed to be a guarantee that they won't target KSA going ahead since there's this little matter of the conflict in the ME still persisting if you haven't noticed.
Didn't it occur to you that KSA is floating this pact & inviting Iran ostensibly to target Israel but mostly to protect itself from Iran unleashing drones & missiles on KSA everytime the situation in the ME gets out of hand or in response to US &/or Israel targeting Iran .
That it could also be KSA's attempts to get Iran to target the UAE given the fast deteriorating relations between those 2 countries .
Besides with the US firmly backing Israel do you sincerely think KSA with Turkey & Paxtan would have the guts to take on Israel ? Do you think these nations are suicidal especially after seeing what's Iran going thru ?
Do you think Egypt which is dependent on international aid which requires being in the good books of the west especially the US can afford to antagonise the US ?
Or Bangladesh which is broke & is probably looking at handouts for posting their military in conflict zones exclusively for peacekeeping operations ?
Syria is already a basket case devoid of a standing army or air force & not much of navy worth the name even in its hey day .
Did I inform you the MENA is a snake pit with rapidly shifting alliances where today mornings allies are afternoons enemies only to patch up in the evening.
Didn't I also ask you to focus on technical threads exclusively like I do advice Paddy from time to time for analysing geo politics & foreign affairs is not everybody's cup of tea ?
'If push comes to shove'(a situation becomes very difficult or critical, requiring you to take serious action or make a hard choice) the US will side with Israel,
The ME has no choice but to come together in mutual defence and that includes Iran, Like the Irish Catholics and Protestants, who had to put their religious war behind them
I read an article which Politely and Cryptically said that this Pact will take 10 years to become a Meaningful alliance
So India has TIME to Strengthen its Economy and Defences before this alliance becomes a threat for India
So India has TIME to Strengthen its Economy and Defences before this alliance becomes a threat for India
Yo Pops ! Your likening an internal dispute to a civilizational clash tells us all we need to know about your knowledge on the topic.
Shia's & Sunnis have been at each other's throats for the leadership of Islam right since its inception. This isn't your catholic vs protestant theology war about who's right ? This is about who gets to set the agenda for Islam.
So Iran & KSA can come to some sort of temporary understanding on a limited set of issues of which Israel isn't one since the US won't permit it & if KSA goes around the US to strike such a deal it loses the US security umbrella.
The Mullahs would see destruction of the House of Al Saud & installation of their own puppet a much more attractive prospect not to mention also a more feasible prospect than taking on the collective might of Israel & the US.
Ditto for the civilizational clash vis a vis the Arab Israeli conundrum in which the Turks having stayed out since the birth of Israel , are now jumping in . However barring Iran which doesn't share a border with Israel none of the other countries want to take up cudgels against Israel irrespective the view on the street.
In this respect Egypt needs to be watched since the army there hasn't delivered much in spite of being in power for more than 7 decades. If the army is overthrown , the only other organisation which can lead Egypt is rhe Muslim Brotherhood. And that's not good news at all for Israel or the US.
Throw in Turkey in an alliance with Egypt & that's really bad news . However while there's a strong possibility this may come to pass that's not the case right now. Hence by opening his cards prematurely Turdogan has invited Israel to undermine himself & his administration which Israel will attempt backed up by the US.
Interesting times ahead for the ME & the world at large. Missing the action down under instead of enjoying your retirement guzzling Foster's by the dozens & gorging on pizzas Pops ? Hell get your a r s e down to Syria & take on the Zionists you so hate I say.
Iranians will still not let Arab dominate Strait of Hormuz, there will be conflict of leadership too even if they join. Now recently Gulf countries have taken hits from Iran, and no sane mind in Gulf will pick up a fight with Israel and take more hits from other direction. It's early to say who is controlling this pact. Without a master this pact is directionless, as countries involved here have conflicting interest.
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I didn't say it was going to be easy, It would be like India, Pak and China agreeing on the countries borderlines
The Jews will make sure Erdogan is deposed if he tries to mess with them too much. They control a lot of the world's financial institutions and the Turks are absolutely no match for their financial and political influence. And when it comes to technology its not even a contest.
The Egyptians had full support from USSR (infront of which Turkey is well a Turkey) and even then they couldn't defeat Israel. So Turkey teaming up with Egypt will literally be stomped.
India just have to be careful about it's oil supplies and supplies of defence equipment to Pakistan.