ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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This infographic shows EOTS + 2 external cyindrical pods, which has created massive public confusion.
EOTS = LD + IRST.
Some say it will be jammer, some say it can be DEW pod. Either ways it can be given hexagonal shape for stealth with RAM, RAS.



Turkey, China are way behind USA in materials. As per documentaries, interviews, podcasts, etc, SR-71 is said to be gen-1 stealth with shaping & RAS, F-117 is considered gen-2 stealth, B-2 is considered gen-3 stealth, F-22/35 are considered gen-4 stealth, B-21 & NGAD are gen-5 stealth. This gen is only for stealth aspect, not for entire jet.

USA may also have evolved from usual layered paint approach.
But in everyday life we see most features, quaity = more cost.
The RAM paint might be costly to maintan but it also certainly contributes to reduce RCS, hence R&Ded & invested upon. Those nations who can't afford is their bad luck, just like there the citizens may not have cars & other stuff like Western people.

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But no matter who does what, ultimately the RCS return numbers matter.
F-22 has RCS= 0.00015 sqm.
F-35 has 0.0015 sqm.
Let's see AMCA's RCS tested & quoted in future.
What makes you think that such extensive usage of RAS is not seen in TFX or J-20A. I don't believe Chinese has no such extensive materials breakthrough and usage.
 
What makes you think that such extensive usage of RAS is not seen in TFX or J-20A. I don't believe Chinese has no such extensive materials breakthrough and usage.
You're misunderstanding. All new 5gen makers like Turkey, China, India, S.Korea are using their version of RAS & perhaps RAM too.
But USA being leader is ahead in continious R&D of materials.
 
EOTS for AMCA

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Not really an 'EOTS' actually.


Came across some docs later and it seems I was right, there's no laser emitter or laser spot detector in this system. Just 2 Day cameras & 1 IR camera. It's just an EO/IR sensor. Will ask the source if okay to post publicly.

It would explain why AMCA models are always shown with external LDP. It's possible we may implement full EOTS capability only in AMCA Mk-2. Some reputed watchers say DAS-HD/DB (our EODAS equivalent) would also be put off till Mk-2. Which means Mk-1 will have a 'regular' MAWS.
 
Not really an 'EOTS' actually.


Came across some docs later and it seems I was right, there's no laser emitter or laser spot detector in this system. Just 2 Day cameras & 1 IR camera. It's just an EO/IR sensor. Will ask the source if okay to post publicly.

It would explain why AMCA models are always shown with external LDP. It's possible we may implement full EOTS capability only in AMCA Mk-2. Some reputed watchers say DAS-HD/DB (our EODAS equivalent) would also be put off till Mk-2. Which means Mk-1 will have a 'regular' MAWS.
It's for ghatak ucav.


There is no such thing called amca mk2 at this moment, these all systems will be present in mk1 version.
 
It's for ghatak ucav.

Multiple applications will be there.

There is no such thing called amca mk2 at this moment, these all systems will be present in mk1 version.

You need a proper EOTS eventually. Otherwise you'll always need an externally carried LDP for strike missions. That defeats all aspect stealth, so won't be acceptable in long term.

But this sensor doesn’t have full EOTS functonality. So that means it will come later.

Mk2 is just the version with next-gen engine, where there is a possibility of the plane needing a degree of redesign to accommodate the new engine (who's specs & dimensions are as of yet unknown).

Several techs are being put off till that config emerges so as to not delay the Mk1 program with proven engine.

AMCA Mk1 will have over 90% commonality in avionics with Tejas Mk2.
 
Not really an 'EOTS' actually.


Came across some docs later and it seems I was right, there's no laser emitter or laser spot detector in this system. Just 2 Day cameras & 1 IR camera. It's just an EO/IR sensor. Will ask the source if okay to post publicly.

It would explain why AMCA models are always shown with external LDP. It's possible we may implement full EOTS capability only in AMCA Mk-2. Some reputed watchers say DAS-HD/DB (our EODAS equivalent) would also be put off till Mk-2. Which means Mk-1 will have a 'regular' MAWS.
to basically inhone Rafale ke optical suite ko ulta taang diya. 🙃
to fir LD-IR pod ko khada kar ke AMCA ke naak me ghusa do aur topi se dhak do, simple :LOL: