Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

[Shan]

In due time, we need to make a larger manned version of Ghatak drone as our stealth-bomber carrying super-heavy bunker-busters. I also think that using ICBMs for bunker-buster roles won't be very logical.

ICBM ones makes no sense. However, SRBM or MRBM is something to look at. It is something that can be developed and inducted if needed. Presents itself as a good conventional option as I stated in my post. Also, we can look at a much more realistic development to deployment time for it. It can be fielded by the next decade if needed.

 

[Defc0n]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053084647408767356

There is something else at play here, there was no “number” mentioned to deliberately keep things ambiguous — also, doing this right after saying we are ready for A6 but need political leadership approval is significant!

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053109551520751792

 

[babablacksheep]

Yes.... For such a big conventional warhead to hit accurately it has no other option other than to slow down considerably. It can work if enemy air defence is s**t..... But if it isn't you would need such missiles in huge number fired in Salvo to saturate enemy defences.

That's doesn't take into account technological progression.

BM-04 with HGV warhead is shown with under 30m CEP.

And tecg progressing is a continuous process.

ICBM ones makes no sense. However, SRBM or MRBM is something to look at. It is something that can be developed and inducted if needed. Presents itself as a good conventional option as I stated in my post. Also, we can look at a much more realistic development to deployment time for it. It can be fielded by the next decade if needed.

Already exist, and hyumoo 5 missile is an IRBM category size wise.


The Hyunmoo-5 is a South Korean "monster" ballistic missile designed as a conventional bunker-buster to destroy deeply buried underground facilities. Unveiled in October 2024, it carries an unprecedented 8-ton warhead and is being deployed to counter North Korean threats through massive conventional retaliation.

 

[lmaoxd]

good intercepting an ICBM lmao. no HQ 19 is protecting you from that, we saw how good the patriot M3C was vs the oreshnik.

Useless weapon, Big , slow & easy to intercept..... A stealth bomber carrying a 10 ton bunker buster is much more practical.

 

[lmaoxd]

That's doesn't take into account technological progression.

BM-04 with HGV warhead is shown with under 30m CEP.

And tecg progressing is a continuous process.

Already exist, and hyumoo 5 missile is an IRBM category size wise.


The Hyunmoo-5 is a South Korean "monster" ballistic missile designed as a conventional bunker-buster to destroy deeply buried underground facilities. Unveiled in October 2024, it carries an unprecedented 8-ton warhead and is being deployed to counter North Korean threats through massive conventional retaliation.

monster ICBMs are quite uneconomical and cant be spammed. Its only really useful against countries that are too small to have strategic depth like pakistan or NK, not really useful vs large countries like China, India or Russia. India maybe since our capital is relatively close to borders but military commands do exist in south India as well so not catastrophic.

 

[Shan]

Already exist, and hyumoo 5 missile is an IRBM category size wise.


The Hyunmoo-5 is a South Korean "monster" ballistic missile designed as a conventional bunker-buster to destroy deeply buried underground facilities. Unveiled in October 2024, it carries an unprecedented 8-ton warhead and is being deployed to counter North Korean threats through massive conventional retaliation.

If you look at the pov of utility, an IRBM/MRBM/SRBM would serve an inventory diversification or strategic purpose. Targeting done from the Eastern coast would bring a considerable amount of area into its strike sphere. I agree with you. The missile, if needed, can serve a purpose.

 

[screambowl]

If you look at the pov of utility, an IRBM/MRBM/SRBM would serve an inventory diversification or strategic purpose. Targeting done from the Eastern coast would bring a considerable amount of area into its strike sphere. I agree with you. The missile, if needed, can serve a purpos

So ISS takes around 90 mins to do one complete revolution around Earth at 7.66km/s, having 408km alt . So once in space in a particular orbit, a true ICBM launched from sea or main land for second strike capability should be able to reach any target on Earth before 90 mins because this time is too long, in fact 45 mins is too long and defense can be launched.

This is why Arihant class is the second strike capability with assured destruction to reduce this long minutes time.

 

[lmaoxd]

So ISS takes around 90 mins to do one complete revolution around Earth at 7.66km/s, having 408km alt . So once in space in a particular orbit, a true ICBM launched from sea or main land for second strike capability should be able to reach any target on Earth before 90 mins because this time is too long, in fact 45 mins is too long and defense can be launched.

You can over come this using sea launched platforms placed around the world. This is why Arihant class is the second strike capability to reduce this long minutes time.

arihant class is going sit quietly in the bay of bengal when launching nukes, its not going to be very different from a offensive A5 launch.

 

[screambowl]

arihant class is going sit quietly in the bay of bengal when launching nukes, its not going to be very different from a offensive A5 launch.

No one can know except for the PM where is India's second strike capability is placed.

 

[lmaoxd]

sure but the bay of bengal is not a small place.............

No one can know except for the PM where is India's second strike capability is placed.

 

[screambowl]

sure but the bay of bengal is not a small place.............

point is to reduce this 90 mins time either by increasing the speed of missile or placing the launch platform around the world. Both options are feasible.

 

[Ginvincible]

this is the second MIRV test?

 

[CATS @hunter]

BM-04 with HGV warhead is shown with under 30m CEP.

BM-04 is not for bunker buster role,
For bunker buster the missile has to be more precise, for bunker buster purpose there are two missile which does the job and those are pralay & Agni p,
Pralay get's a MMW seeker for accurate target which brings down the CEP under 4, while the Agni p is at less than 10 but the reentry hypersonic Speed carries the heavy punch,
But these weapons are used for targeting command nodes, air bases, logistics nodes, pre- fragmentation, communication nodes,
Where's BM-04 is for special A2/AD roles, BM-04 has greater terminal velocity than LRAShM that's why we are getting less than 30m CEP, that's why it's specially build for A2/AD roles
Harder to intercept due it's HGV Nature, High speed and enough kinetic energy to obliterated anything under 30m and more,

this is the second MIRV test?

Definitely not second

 

[Gautam]

this is the second MIRV test?

2nd publicly acknowledged MIRV test. There have been at least 2 other suspected tests.

 

[babablacksheep]

2nd publicly acknowledged MIRV test. There have been at least 2 other suspected tests.

It was just an stand in, for the precision of our missiles, a fast moving warhead with this much accuracy

 

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053083942786662507

 

[Speedster1]

Russia has used the Oreshnik conventional MIRV'd IRBM to good effect in Ukraine so far. No reason why we can't do the same.

Although, we can't risk using the strategic A5 for the role. After all, there is no reliable way to distinguish n warheads from conventional ones.

We'll need a new missile derived from the BM-04, Pralay, Agni-P for this role.

ICBM ones makes no sense. However, SRBM or MRBM is something to look at. It is something that can be developed and inducted if needed. Presents itself as a good conventional option as I stated in my post. Also, we can look at a much more realistic development to deployment time for it. It can be fielded by the next decade if needed.

 

[babablacksheep]

Russia has used the Oreshnik conventional MIRV'd IRBM to good effect in Ukraine so far. No reason why we can't do the same.

Although, we can't risk using the strategic A5 for the role. After all, there is no reliable way to distinguish n warheads from conventional ones.

We'll need a new missile derived from the BM-04, Pralay, Agni-P for this role.

The're only 2 known instance or Oreshnik use in Ukraine, can be summed up as using ukraine as test ground to test it.

 

[Lolwa]

good intercepting an ICBM lmao. no HQ 19 is protecting you from that, we saw how good the patriot M3C was vs the oreshnik.

The patriots in general are the worst AD systems right now. The situation was so bad that the Americans had to integrate the David Sling missile and renamed it paac-4.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2053083942786662507

This will be our desi Oreshnik. Hopefully this gets used in a tactical role.

 

[Lolwa]

good intercepting an ICBM lmao. no HQ 19 is

The HQ-19 seems to have Anti-satellite capabilities and anti ballistic missile capability. It's in the class of THAAD and SM-3. So we can't entirely discount it's capabilities. I'm surprised the Chinese are even sharing this tech but it's a generation behind their hq-29. It is reported to have the capability to intercept medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) and intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) at the terminal stage, while offering limited capability to target intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) and low-altitude satellites.
The missile is guided by the Type 610A radar with 4,000 km (2,500 mi) of detection range, and the missile itself is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles on the 3,000 km (1,900 mi) range class.

The real question is how are the Pakistanis even able to afford this much(we knows its Chinese soft loans) but the infrastructure to setting it up will be highly costly.