The USA is not China or India regarding large-scale labor-intensive manufacturing. And to bomb Pakistan, we are not going to transport the bombs through ships; it's a border state, and we do have the industrial capacity.
Ababeel MIRV
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Nobody is denying that you do have a counter-equivalent. We are never worried about the punches we are going to hit; we know we will be hit, but that's the objective for at least 10 to 15 days of war. You will be engaged in the south; you have to counter our air-launch BrahMos; otherwise, you will be done and dusted in 10–15 days and Sindhudesh will get independence
So much just for Independence of Sindhudesh?Nobody is denying that you do have a counter-equivalent. We are never worried about the punches we are going to hit; we know we will be hit, but that's the objective for at least 10 to 15 days of war. You will be engaged in the south; you have to counter our air-launch BrahMos; otherwise, you will be done and dusted in 10–15 days and Sindhudesh will get independence
For your Information they are already independent so you really don't need to launch Brahmos for an already achieved purpose.
Independent? Am i living in parallel universe & posting to a forum from another one?
There is only one country capable of engaging war like an oiled country, its US. India will not acheiv what usa cannot.
Unless you're Meteor or 40N6E
I'll leave it at just that........We've plenty of MLRS tracking radars and systems. Once we locate it, we'll pound it. You don't have any counter for MKI + BrahMos A combo. We will hit you with impunity where ever and whenever we wish/want.
Voilà, just as I was having discussion about S-400 efficacy with @MS Sandhu Bhaijaan, I stumbled upon this: Russia 'Fuses' S-400 Missiles With A-50 AWACS To Shoot Down Ukrainian Aircraft At Longest Possible Range
@Hydra bro, you too may wanna take a look at the above link
@Hydra bro, you too may wanna take a look at the above link
This is the original source:Voilà, just as I was having discussion about S-400 efficacy with @MS Sandhu Bhaijaan, I stumbled upon this: Russia 'Fuses' S-400 Missiles With A-50 AWACS To Shoot Down Ukrainian Aircraft At Longest Possible Range
@Hydra bro, you too may wanna take a look at the above link
Источник: самолеты, о которых говорил Шойгу, сбила С-400 в связке с самолетом ДРЛО А-50
TASS is quoting some official close to Russian Military Department.So we don't know from where this news is coming let alone verifying its credibility.The source is not a part of RMD.
It is not telling us at what range that aircraft was shot down.
It is not even specifying the type of aircraft(GunShip helicopter,UAV, some bomber or fighter jet) it shot down.
In short this report is without any substance.
However its normal procedure nowadays to connect different ISR assets with SAMs and other strike assets (net-centric warfare concept)
Not something new Russians did here.
Yep they are independent
For me Independence=Full Freedom
Though can't say anything about you.
Anyway, Sir best wishes from Planet Earth of MM Galaxy in case you are from some other parallel universe.
Yes, net-centric warfare isn't just Russia specific. But the point is, S-400 was able to engage UAF fighter at its maximum range using track from A-50. So 400kms(its max range) against enemy without illuminating the target itself(which could have resulted in enemy firing HARMs and other SEAD/DEAD weapons towards it). So a 100% fool-proof and safe engagement by that particular S-400 battery. India can do the same by tagging PHALCON with S-400.
Recently, your airforce conducted massive exercise using JF-17/J-10CE and CM-400 with the sole purpose of suppressing S-400 during a real war. It just tells us how much time, energy and resources PAF would need just to counter S-400. But S-400 isn't our ultimate weapon. So, PAF better watch out during the next war.
Missile will have very little energy left to power its electronics at its terminal stage
Considering our AWACS will operate in our own AD environment.We can even launch our own SAM to counter your SAM missile
However other means also exist like EW/Jamming/Spoofing etc to simply jam the already exhausted missile.
40N6E at 400kms and Meteor at even 300kms will have enough energy to destroy any slow moving target like AWACS/AEW@CS/Tankers/Transport planes etc.
True, you may launch your own SAM or even AAM from your fighter to counter it, but honestly your first reaction would be to get out of the erstwhile missiles engagement zone. Like it or not both 40N6E and Meteor complicate the matter(for the worse) for you.
Very soon, we're going to develop our own S-400 class SAM and with our indigenous radars, we're going to equip even Tejas and MKI with Meteor. That would accentuate your problems even further.
Before moving S-400 read this:
"The S-400 was protected by a short range air defense (SHORAD) KBP Tula Pantsir-S1/2 (SA-22) that was supposed to have been datalinked to the S-400’s radar. However, both the S-400 and Pantsir radars appear to have failed to detect the Neptune, and the SHORAD system was not able to bring it down. This mirrors an episode from earlier this summer when a Pantsir was unable to bring down MBDA Storm Shadow missiles even at point blank range. Moscow has lost at least 18 Pantsir units since the beginning of the war, per open source tracking."
Now coming to HIMARS:
@randomradio @Rajput Lion
1st event:
Ukraine’s HIMARS Strike Destroyed Two S-400 Batteries And One S-300’s Radar Station
Ukraine’s HIMARS Strike Destroyed Two S-400 Batteries And One S-300’s Radar Station
2nd event:
Ukraine Uses HIMARS to Destroy Advanced Russian Missile System—Reports
Ukraine uses HIMARS to destroy advanced Russian missile system—Reports3rd event:
Ukrainian HIMARS artillery rockets humiliate Putin by destroying prized S-400 SAM
I will say Rafale with Scalp-EG is a bigger threat for us than this over-hyped S-400.
People boast about its 600km ranged radars but here you are:not able to properly track&engage Neptunes .
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Russians also have MLRS tracking radars but HIMARS and other rocket artillery is still operating.
Fortunately, we didn't purchase pantsir. Not as standalone or under s400 umbrella.
We've learnt our lesson from the Ukraine war. So we will do things slightly different from the Russians. That's for sure.
Well you people can try your luck.
Pantsir is a capable system
Pakistan tried to buy it but Russians backed off due to Indian Pressure.
It's just these systems are not a silver bullet.They can be destroyed just like Russians shot down many StormShadows.And many times StormShadows breached in and destroyed S400.
Its even failed multiple times, even against slow moving drones. Also failed to meet comparative trials by IA with another system.
Consider it as a favour done to you guys from our side.
Pakistan missile test confirms its MIRV ambitions
Pakistan’s test of the Ababeel medium-range ballistic missile, designed to carry multiple nuclear warheads, puts it one step closer to achieving an enhanced capability to penetrate India’s nascent missile defences.On 18 October 2023, Pakistan conducted its second test launch of the Ababeel medium-range ballistic missile, which is the first in South Asia to have reached the testing phase that has been designed to carry multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs). The weapon remains under development. This was Pakistan’s first acknowledged missile test since the April 2022 launch of the Shaheen-III medium-range ballistic missile and the first test since Chief of Army Staff General Asim Munir took office in November 2022. The test, conducted during the visit of Pakistan’s caretaker leader Prime Minister Anwaar-ul-Haq Kakar to China, followed a prior successful one in 2017 and reportedly succeeded. This is evidence that Islamabad is making progress in its goal of acquiring the capability to penetrate India’s nascent missile defences.
Testing
The test launch occurred at the Sakhi Sarwar range in Punjab province. Pakistan issued seven Notice to Air Missions beforehand in compliance with article 3 of the 2005 India–Pakistan agreement on pre-notification for ballistic-missile tests. The main notice indicated an upper boundary of 930 kilometres seaward. While the actual range of the test is unknown, this suggests that the test occurred short of the missile’s maximum range of 2,200 km, since these notices customarily provide warnings covering the entire potential flight path of a missile. If the missile flew at full range beyond the notice area, it could have brushed close to the Omani coast.
According to the media division of the Pakistan Armed Forces, the test occurred for the purpose of ‘re-validating various design [and] technical parameters and performance evaluation of different sub-systems’. The choice of the inland Sakhi Sarwar test site instead of coastal test ranges suggests that Islamabad may have been interested in tracking the boost and mid-flight phases of the missile from land. In 2018, Pakistan reportedly procured optical tracking equipment from China that it could have used to collect missile and payload performance data. It is unknown whether the test missile released decoy warheads during flight.
Comparing imagery from the 2017 and 2023 tests, Ababeel’s dimensions and proportions appear similar, suggesting that the current version does not feature a radically different design or payload capacity. Unlike the 2017 test, a multi-axle transporter erector launcher, likely supplied by China, appeared in the official 2023 recording taken by the armed forces. China and Pakistan reportedly have engaged in technology transfers as part of Beijing’s broader effort to support Islamabad’s missile programme. The presence of large numbers of civilians visible in the video suggest that the Army Strategic Forces Command has not yet taken control of the weapon, and that Ababeel is not yet poised to enter service. Once it does, however, arming it ‘could require additional fissile material for the warheads’ beyond existing stocks, as noted in a 2021 report by The International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Reasons for MIRV’ing
Ababeel is one of two nuclear-capable medium-range ballistic missiles that Pakistan is developing; Shaheen-III is the other. The main difference between the two is Ababeel’s MIRV capability. Nothing visible from the test indicates the success or failure of the missile’s multiple-warhead capability, which is a key priority for Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division.Pakistan claims its missile and nuclear programmes are designed solely to deter India. Pakistani analysts (and officials, privately) have argued that a MIRV capability would increase stability and deterrence by increasing the chances of penetrating of India’s emergent ballistic-missile defences. India is researching and developing indigenously at least two land- and sea-based missile-defence programmes.
New Delhi’s purchase in 2018 of Russian-made S-400 Triumph (RS-SA-21 Growler) surface-to-air missile defences presents an immediate challenge to Pakistan’s ability to penetrate Indian airspace, with the subsonic Ra’ad and Babur land-attack cruise missiles being especially vulnerable. India reportedly possesses three S-400 batteries, with two more due for delivery by 2025. The S-400 is a mobile system, and India reportedly has based two at Pakistan-facing air-force stations in Punjab.
Like Pakistan, India is preparing its own MIRV capability. This is linked to its Agni VI intercontinental ballistic missile – in development and untested – which has been designed primarily to penetrate Chinese missile defences, not for use against Pakistan.