How is it irrelevant? All your examples are from the primary design stage. Turkey example is hilarious. It's has not even entered the primary design stage.
Its not an article but PR from MoD.
Is this irrelevant too?
From ADA annual report.
ADA MCA medium weight class (LCA Mk II)
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Its not an article but PR from MoD.
Is this irrelevant too?
From ADA annual report.
I wonder why everyone seems to have a bone to pick with @randomradio . Is being an optimist a crime ? @Bali78
You don't know how aircraft development works. Even Vstol's design has seen two different aircraft, I bet more. He even had a 3T aircraft. And his final aircraft has also seen design changes. If one guy could do that, what do you think an entire organization can do?
Your snippets have no relevance to what I'm talking about.
Turkey's and Korea's designs are PDP level designs. They have even wind tunnel tested the models.
There are in fact 6 TFX designs.
Another TFX design in Britain.
Just because a report says "detailed design" doesn't mean you know exactly what's happening. Within programs too, designs go back and forth many times. They keep testing and retesting the same designs over and over again.
I am not optimistic at all, I am completely realistic.
I pointed out we will have 3 MMRCA programs in 2015, after MMRCA was cancelled, apart from the LCA program, and no one believed me then.
TE MII and SE MII, apart from Rafale GTG.
Now we have--
36+36 Rafale GTG
TE MII
201 MCA
All 3 are MMRCAs.
Before 2015, I didn't have much hopes for our indigenous programs. But after 2015, things have changed a lot. By bringing private players in, Modi and Parrikar have changed the game completely. A lot of things have changed, particularly the attitude towards indigenous programs themselves. The perform or perish directive has really struck home.
When it comes to LCA, HAL's completely embarrassed ADA with the Mk1A. I suppose their experience with Sukhoi in designing the FGFA has helped them a lot.
yeah, bring in fiction as an example.
It is relevant because its shows timeline and saying ADA couldn't even decide upon basics of the design after 8 years is not believable.
Don't post irrelevant stuff. Its BAE Systems Replica. Very old project.
Turkey just decided upon the number of engines just last year. So, behind AMCA. Nowhere near Mk2.
Something relevant:
Whatever they call it next step is prototype fabrication which a year away. Questioning synonym difference is not an effective argument tactic.
yeah, bring in fiction as an example.
It is relevant because its shows timeline and saying ADA couldn't even decide upon basics of the design after 8 years is not believable.
Don't post irrelevant stuff. Its BAE Systems Replica. Very old project.
Turkey just decided upon the number of engines just last year. So, behind AMCA. Nowhere near Mk2.
Something relevant:
Whatever they call it next step is prototype fabrication which a year away. Questioning synonym difference is not an effective argument tactic.
Now you're comparing TFX with AMCA?
Okay, every single post you are losing the relevance of the topic.
Everybody knows the faith of such threads.hahahahah
i was laughing like a maniac after reading this in a coffee shop
They'll share those 2 very famous wind tunnel concept with canard and will designate it as MCA i.e. Nayi Bakch0di.
And we'll always have comments from Sharmaji regarding it's extra-terrestrial specifications and Kaveri doing super cruise at 2 mach and blah blah.
Any proof that what he is saying is true?
I think anybody with even a little common sense can figure out that its a bluff to win online popularity.
too many control surfaces on the tail plane
Plenty. He's showed off his designs already.
Here's one:
@randomradio, The most recent unofficial discussions with some top guys hinted that they will consider a single engine aircraft only if it is in the 20 ton category. Other than F-16 there is no such aircraft and IAF is not interested in that aircraft. Such a SE will surely take away future orders from LCA and new fighter. So MSA now goes to 22 tons with one meter increase in length resulting in exactly the same fuselage length as that of Typhoon but with IHI XF9-1 or I-30 engine of Pak-Fa. Both engines have 11:1 TWR and a fan diameter of just one meter. The wing area also grows to 42.5sqm and the length overall grows to 15.25m. Empty weight of 8.75 tons and payload of 8.25 tons with 5 tons internal fuel.
Now any fighter plane in the market is marketed as MRCA, its not difficult to incorporate Targeting pods to make an air superiority fighter plane to have strike capability
BTW 36 more Rafales is not realistic, NaMo does understand that the French shortchanged him in Rafale deal
BTW 36 more Rafales is not realistic, NaMo does understand that the French shortchanged him in Rafale deal
Plenty. He's showed off his designs already.
Here's one:
Well any one with good artistic skills can draw up a picture like that.
Is there any proof that things are actually happening in this front? Any news articles/announcements/anything else ?? Also, do you really think that just one person with no experience in successfully producing even a turboprop plane can design a 5th generation aircraft all by himself? No use of super computers, no testing of models etc? It took the whole ADA agency, which is funded in crores by the government, many years just to design the LCA MK1. How can just one person with no funding or experience design a 5th Generation jet? C'mon man.. where is the basic common sense?
Being optimistic is good but overoptimism is harmful. Same with blindly trusting someone.
Also, regarding the +36 Rafales, has it been even announced? As far as I know, at max 18 more may be added. If Rafale wins the MMRCA 2, then the story will be different. You are talking as if it is done and dusted deal. Nothing is done and dusted until it has happened. There were so many announcements about FGFA like prototypes flying in india before 2020 and then after 2020 and now it has been canceled. Hence there is no certainty.
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Those are pretty awesome specs.
Why aren't you pursuing the LSA? The British will throw their engine at you pretty quickly and it seems to be a low risk option.
LSA became MSA long back when its MTOW went upto 16.75 tons. But any further growth was not possible for lack of a suitable engine and EJ260 wud have been the end of the line. I decided to change the approach and opted to have an engine which has more thrust than is needed and also add growth potential to the design. The 22 ton design is fit for 24 tons without the need to change either the airframe of the intakes or the engine. The proposed engines have that kind of thrust rating. The thrust of each of these engines is same as the combined thrust of two EJ-200s. I plan to use a derated dry thrust of 100Kn and derated afterburner thrust of 160Kn from these engines which will significantly enhance the hot section life of the engine and provide the much needed single engine safety margin.
I know him personally, kinda.
You can't compare Rafale and FGFA. Rafale is a signed deal, so the IAF can force the govt to order another batch very quickly, about 3/4ths of the bureaucratic procedures disappear because of that, but the aircraft has to be the same version.
FGFA, now is not the right time to pursue it. I had always believed that the IAF should just buy 3 squadrons of PAK FA to replace the Mig-29s and then pursue a highly modernized version of the FGFA at a later date, if necessary. With each passing year, the current program has only been pushed back. It's already 2028 before we can absorb the first FGFA.
Our first priority is to arrest squadron growth. If we get our numbers up to what we need, even technology won't stop us if we generate the kind of sortie rates we did with the recent exercise. The enemy aircraft will be destroyed on the ground instead.
Even he tells the same thing. It's a concept aircraft. Until there's no go-ahead, it's going nowhere.
Anyway, as far as Rafale is concerned, there's no options of 18. The next order will be for 36 more or the tender.