Agriculture in India : News, Updates, Discussion & Analysis

[randomradio]

Have you anything knowledgeable to contribute regarding farm laws? These are not reforms, but regressive laws to favor 02 crony capitalists traders over 100s of million poor farmers! Thats it nothing more, nothing less!

Same old broken record, similar to you saying in other thread, "I don't think we are vacating KR".

Can you show me, where the fkuk these laws and corporate agriculture is successful globally. A few RSS Hindutava extremist over here are lying to there teath like papa Modi!

04 corporate dalals with past record of corporate dalali, in a govt sponsored committee are going to dance over corporation's tunes!

Punjab don't need to grow Sanghi brain, we can think, analyze and conclude ourselves, required no RSS support.

Just tell me the status of Bihar (Why your band conveniently skipping mentioning Bihar as a success story of private mandis?), where these laws of private mandi system were implemented in 2006. Or just lie..lie..lie..lie..through your teath like Goebbels, till it becomes truth.

We don't need benefits of private mandis...period! There will be no implementation of these laws in 2-3 years or 2-3 decades, even if you eat Modis s***! Forget about it....beta tumse na ho payega! Concentrate on how to make Godse a martyr and how to make Ambani's & Adani's richest in the world!

So all the farmers in the country and all the academics in our universities and the Supreme Court committees are morons. Only you are the genius.

Must be the same geniuses who are running their state into the ground.

From debt to unemployment, Punjab's entire economy needs reform, not just agriculture

The bread basket of India, Punjab was the richest state in the country for decades before it began falling behind several states.

theprint.in

Many states that were significantly poorer than Punjab until early 2000s – Haryana, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala – quickly overtook it by achieving major economic growth. Not only did Punjab fall behind these states, but the gap widened greatly with time, such that today, an average Haryanvi is 1.5 times richer than an average Punjabi.

Oh, yeah, these laws are the same ones implemented in developed countries. All these countries that produce many times the yield compared to our farms, where even small countries are massive producers of crops, and the private industry buys it all. Ever heard of Walmart?

Top Ten Agribusiness Companies in the World

The world's top ten agribusiness companies are constantly innovating and developing new methods to feed the world's growing population.

www.tharawat-magazine.com

Just look at the sheer size of these companies in comparison to their number of employees. Some of these companies are bigger than Punjab's entire GDP.

You make fun of Bihari farmers, but you do not realise you get 3 times as much subsidies as the Biharis get. Maybe Punjabi farmers should start paying for power, fertilizer and water from now on. Punjab is the highest subsidised state in the country.

Most irrigated land, most subsidised state, but crop yield puts Punjab in the 11th place. Why do you think I call Punjabis dumb? Farming is not your cup of tea anymore.

The reason why other states are doing better is because they do not rely on MSP.

Here's one secret you obviously are clueless about:
“APMCs are used by 40-60% of farmers in Karnataka; 99% of paddy is sold outside APMCs because the farmers get more income when rice mills take it directly. This is totally illegal. Any notified commodity should be transacted within the purview of APMC under competitive bidding, as per Karnataka APMC Act, but what to do? In the good old days, fruits and vegetables were sold through APMC," says the official.

There's the secret (not really) of farmers in the South. We sell our produce to the private industry under the table. This has been happening for many years now.

So when you say:
Can you show me, where the fkuk these laws and corporate agriculture is successful globally.

It's happening right here in India. It's all under the table. Why do you think our farming community in the South is eagerly awaiting legalisation of our selling crops to private industry? We do not need this stupid APMC/MSP model because it's stupid. (Already been implemented as well.) We want to sell to the private sector because that's where the money is. The govt is poor, the private sector is rich. This is common sense.

Something you can learn from:

Centre to scale up Karnataka’s e-Mandi model to national scale

The e-market has been so successful that the NDA govt is setting aside politics and holding up the Cong-ruled states programme as a model for all others.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Btw, Karnataka amended the APMC Act last year to enable farmers to sell directly to private players. Now anybody with a PAN card can buy from a farmer directly.

Tamil Nadu did it as well.

Tamil Nadu govt amends APMC Act to allow farmers to sell produce freely

This will open up the avenues for farmers to sell their produce at e-commerce and modern markets such as Amazon, BigBasket for a better price

www.business-standard.com

If you do not switch to private mandis, agriculture will completely collapse. Again... that's where the money is.

As you can see, state govts themselves can amend the laws. So you should ask your Captain Singh to amend the laws again to suit your needs. But the Modi govt desires to put all states on an even footing. It's simply because South India has made so many changes that without the same amendments, agriculture will fail. In just a few years, states without this amendment will no longer be productive.

Farmers Protest: Only 6% of farmers get benefit of MSP, majority of them in Punjab and Haryana

A central government committee report states that only 6% of the country's farmers take advantage of MSP.

www.dnaindia.com

Only 6% farmers buy at MSP. 94% farmers don't give a shit. They sell to the private sector.

 

[Cole_phelps]

Socialism has ruined our generation. Seems some people aren't ready for cut throat competition and pressure to perform. They want market to work as per their products and not other way around. They frequently abuse Ambani without realizing he creates products that people want, opposed to shoving it down the throat of consumers.

If lobby of Arithiyas/middlemen is so powerful, rich and in demand, why don't they compete with other pvt players in free market? If our Indian startups like Flipkart and Nykaa became billionaires on scooters then why they are hesitant to take on big players?

But then these thoughts require constructive minds, not destructive ones on display. Even Khalistanis made their fortune in capitalist market, their businesses competed with established local ones and yet they earned.

 

[Maler]

So all the farmers in the country and all the academics in our universities and the Supreme Court committees are morons. Only you are the genius.

Must be the same geniuses who are running their state into the ground.

From debt to unemployment, Punjab's entire economy needs reform, not just agriculture

The bread basket of India, Punjab was the richest state in the country for decades before it began falling behind several states.

theprint.in

Many states that were significantly poorer than Punjab until early 2000s – Haryana, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala – quickly overtook it by achieving major economic growth. Not only did Punjab fall behind these states, but the gap widened greatly with time, such that today, an average Haryanvi is 1.5 times richer than an average Punjabi.

Oh, yeah, these laws are the same ones implemented in developed countries. All these countries that produce many times the yield compared to our farms, where even small countries are massive producers of crops, and the private industry buys it all. Ever heard of Walmart?

Top Ten Agribusiness Companies in the World

The world's top ten agribusiness companies are constantly innovating and developing new methods to feed the world's growing population.

www.tharawat-magazine.com

Just look at the sheer size of these companies in comparison to their number of employees. Some of these companies are bigger than Punjab's entire GDP.

You make fun of Bihari farmers, but you do not realise you get 3 times as much subsidies as the Biharis get. Maybe Punjabi farmers should start paying for power, fertilizer and water from now on. Punjab is the highest subsidised state in the country.

Most irrigated land, most subsidised state, but crop yield puts Punjab in the 11th place. Why do you think I call Punjabis dumb? Farming is not your cup of tea anymore.

The reason why other states are doing better is because they do not rely on MSP.

Here's one secret you obviously are clueless about:
“APMCs are used by 40-60% of farmers in Karnataka; 99% of paddy is sold outside APMCs because the farmers get more income when rice mills take it directly. This is totally illegal. Any notified commodity should be transacted within the purview of APMC under competitive bidding, as per Karnataka APMC Act, but what to do? In the good old days, fruits and vegetables were sold through APMC," says the official.

There's the secret (not really) of farmers in the South. We sell our produce to the private industry under the table. This has been happening for many years now.

So when you say:
Can you show me, where the fkuk these laws and corporate agriculture is successful globally.

It's happening right here in India. It's all under the table. Why do you think our farming community in the South is eagerly awaiting legalisation of our selling crops to private industry? We do not need this stupid APMC/MSP model because it's stupid. (Already been implemented as well.) We want to sell to the private sector because that's where the money is. The govt is poor, the private sector is rich. This is common sense.

Something you can learn from:

Centre to scale up Karnataka’s e-Mandi model to national scale

The e-market has been so successful that the NDA govt is setting aside politics and holding up the Cong-ruled states programme as a model for all others.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Btw, Karnataka amended the APMC Act last year to enable farmers to sell directly to private players. Now anybody with a PAN card can buy from a farmer directly.

Tamil Nadu did it as well.

Tamil Nadu govt amends APMC Act to allow farmers to sell produce freely

This will open up the avenues for farmers to sell their produce at e-commerce and modern markets such as Amazon, BigBasket for a better price

www.business-standard.com

If you do not switch to private mandis, agriculture will completely collapse. Again... that's where the money is.

As you can see, state govts themselves can amend the laws. So you should ask your Captain Singh to amend the laws again to suit your needs. But the Modi govt desires to put all states on an even footing. It's simply because South India has made so many changes that without the same amendments, agriculture will fail. In just a few years, states without this amendment will no longer be productive.

Farmers Protest: Only 6% of farmers get benefit of MSP, majority of them in Punjab and Haryana

A central government committee report states that only 6% of the country's farmers take advantage of MSP.

www.dnaindia.com

Only 6% farmers buy at MSP. 94% farmers don't give a shit. They sell to the private sector.

Instead of per hectare income, you should show me stats of per kepta farmer income of these states! The stats you are showing, shown mainly output of agri business companies, who contracted the land & producing agri products, selling at their own rates and farmers working at their own land as laborers! Thats the thing, we don't want to happen in Punjab and we will not let it happen at any cost!

Also, If Talmilnadu farmers are doing so well, then why they were protesting and eating human shit & rats in Delhi last year!

Also, if 94% farmers don't give a shit about MSP and selling their produce in private mandies on their own, then govt. should accept farmers demand & make law to implement universal MSP. As you said, farmers would still be selling their produce to to private mandis, then MSP should not have any consequence for govt's pocket! Then make MSP a legel right!!!

Why you skip Bihar every time I mention it. Tell me the success stories of Bihar having only private mandis since 2006. Will you please!

And you think I can't...?

And thats why you are trying to start the shit show!

 

[_Anonymous_]

Yes you are a game, every RSS/Sanghi guy is game. Because you don't care about anyone when you wrote shit & extreme about any community, but I have to think about the feelings of a secular and non partisan common Hindu who has nothing to do with you/RSS or its extremism!

You've been labelling everyone who doesn't agree with you as a Sanghi . You've called an ex general of the IA by a slur. You've referred to a member Tattvamasi as tatta.

You passed thinly disguised comments which will very well be characterised as Hinduphobic such as gobar & using Vedic for Gen VP Malik apart from other comments / taunts / slurs on the traditions & practises of Hinduism particularly on groups such as Brahmins here with absolute impunity.

The quality of moderation being what it is instead of you being censured & the posts deleted, my responses to your comments which weren't even offensive by any standards got deleted & I was issued a warning.

You accuse me of writing shit about your community. Please point out one instance in the recent past or previously where I've labelled you a Khalistani or abused your community. Believe me, you're a relative newbie here. If I start targeting you, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[randomradio]

Instead of per hectare income, you should show me stats of per kepta farmer income of these states! The stats you are showing, shown mainly output of agri business companies, who contracted the land & producing agri products, selling at their own rates and farmers working at their own land as laborers! Thats the thing, we don't want to happen in Punjab and we will not let it happen at any cost!

Er... Per hectare is what matters. That's how efficiency is counted.

Also, If Talmilnadu farmers are doing so well, then why they were protesting and eating human shit & rats in Delhi last year!

Subsistence farmers. They are fvcked regardless of the farm laws. These people have just 1 to 1.5 acres of farmland, so they can't make any real money even if they sell at MSP.

These people do not have alternatives in agriculture. Rather they should be selling their farms and getting into the alternatives.

The worst of the lot are those who lease farmland and do not get any real benefits from the govt since all those benefits go to the owners of the land.

Most of the farmers who have gone up north from here are subsistence farmers, and they shouldn't be in the farming business. They will have better options once the private sector comes in because they can get picked up as labourers with decent pay.

Most of India has subsistence farmers. Only 5% of the farming population are large farmers.

Also, if 94% farmers don't give a shit about MSP and selling their produce in private mandies on their own, then govt. should accept farmers demand & make law to implement universal MSP. As you said, farmers would still be selling their produce to to private mandis, then MSP should not have any consequence for govt's pocket! Then make MSP a legel right!!!

The reason is simple. The market will collapse because it's unsustainable. The FCI is already making losses of roughly 2LC every year. Legalising MSP will mean a greater surplus, which cannot be sold. FCI already has surplus stocks, and are being forced to sell at lower prices in the open market. So the prices of the products will keep getting lower and lower until the market collapses. The FCI is making 2LC losses by merely catering to that 6%. To put that in perspective, the entire Punjabi agriculture market is 1.5LC.

Anyway, this will give rise to a black market that won't sustain the formal market. The biggest losers will be the farmers and the govt, while the biggest winners will be middlemen. Of course consumers will happily pay cheaper price as well. And as the consumer gets bigger in population, as is happening right now, the govt will start focusing more on the middle class. Then the free ride will end.

Socialist policies have failed in all countries that have tried them. No exception. As I said, India sustains such wasteful expenditure only because the middle class pays for it.

There's also the security aspect. Only Punjab and Haryana take advantage of the MSP at the expense of the rest of the country. Once the rest of the country actually gets to know this, the backlash will be extremely severe. Right now the majority of our farming population is completely ignorant of this fact. And you guys are doing a great job advertising this fact. And considering Punjab's history with terrorism, there's not going to be any sympathy for you. The govt will be fine with pissing off 1 state that doesn't even vote for them than the entire country. Which is why the new farm laws will go through.

Why you skip Bihar every time I mention it. Tell me the success stories of Bihar having only private mandis since 2006. Will you please!

Bihar is a fvcked up state. They are fvcked up in every metric there is. Agriculture is simply a part of that big mess.

Why not compare to Karnataka, where 99% of rice is sold to the private sector? We are doing much better than MSP.

Karnataka's GSDP in agriculture is only slightly smaller than Punjab's, 1.2LC vs 1.5LC. Only a few million more people in Karnataka are in agriculture compared to Punjab, I believe it's 30 million vs 23 million, but growth rate is 2-3 times that of Punjab. And private purchase was legalised only last year. So, with the reforms, after some bumps along the way, it's expected that Karnataka's agri market is expected to double over the course of a few years, which will leave Punjab behind by a massive margin in just a decade. Also, subsistence farmers are giving up their farm to large landholders since the state's alternative industries are growing even faster. Even non-farmers can now buy farmland, which was denied earlier. Children of such farmers are either getting educated for white collar jobs or getting skilled in blue collar jobs, so parents are selling their land to larger farmers who are in turn producing greater yields. To top that off, of the five major states in the South, Karnataka is the poorest, so the other states are doing even better.

 

[AbRaj]

There is nothing parallel here. Their market structure is 50 years ahead of ours. Our average agri-land size is 2-3 hectares compared to 250 hectares of USA. They graduated from being an agricultural economy long back.

This is like comparing homelessness and poverty in US cities to ours.

Small correction Ours is 2 acres(1.04 hectare) , US is 444 acres.

 

[AbRaj]

So all the farmers in the country and all the academics in our universities and the Supreme Court committees are morons. Only you are the genius.

Must be the same geniuses who are running their state into the ground.

From debt to unemployment, Punjab's entire economy needs reform, not just agriculture

The bread basket of India, Punjab was the richest state in the country for decades before it began falling behind several states.

theprint.in

Many states that were significantly poorer than Punjab until early 2000s – Haryana, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala – quickly overtook it by achieving major economic growth. Not only did Punjab fall behind these states, but the gap widened greatly with time, such that today, an average Haryanvi is 1.5 times richer than an average Punjabi.

Oh, yeah, these laws are the same ones implemented in developed countries. All these countries that produce many times the yield compared to our farms, where even small countries are massive producers of crops, and the private industry buys it all. Ever heard of Walmart?

Top Ten Agribusiness Companies in the World

The world's top ten agribusiness companies are constantly innovating and developing new methods to feed the world's growing population.

www.tharawat-magazine.com

Just look at the sheer size of these companies in comparison to their number of employees. Some of these companies are bigger than Punjab's entire GDP.

You make fun of Bihari farmers, but you do not realise you get 3 times as much subsidies as the Biharis get. Maybe Punjabi farmers should start paying for power, fertilizer and water from now on. Punjab is the highest subsidised state in the country.

Most irrigated land, most subsidised state, but crop yield puts Punjab in the 11th place. Why do you think I call Punjabis dumb? Farming is not your cup of tea anymore.

The reason why other states are doing better is because they do not rely on MSP.

Here's one secret you obviously are clueless about:
“APMCs are used by 40-60% of farmers in Karnataka; 99% of paddy is sold outside APMCs because the farmers get more income when rice mills take it directly. This is totally illegal. Any notified commodity should be transacted within the purview of APMC under competitive bidding, as per Karnataka APMC Act, but what to do? In the good old days, fruits and vegetables were sold through APMC," says the official.

There's the secret (not really) of farmers in the South. We sell our produce to the private industry under the table. This has been happening for many years now.

So when you say:
Can you show me, where the fkuk these laws and corporate agriculture is successful globally.

It's happening right here in India. It's all under the table. Why do you think our farming community in the South is eagerly awaiting legalisation of our selling crops to private industry? We do not need this stupid APMC/MSP model because it's stupid. (Already been implemented as well.) We want to sell to the private sector because that's where the money is. The govt is poor, the private sector is rich. This is common sense.

Something you can learn from:

Centre to scale up Karnataka’s e-Mandi model to national scale

The e-market has been so successful that the NDA govt is setting aside politics and holding up the Cong-ruled states programme as a model for all others.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Btw, Karnataka amended the APMC Act last year to enable farmers to sell directly to private players. Now anybody with a PAN card can buy from a farmer directly.

Tamil Nadu did it as well.

Tamil Nadu govt amends APMC Act to allow farmers to sell produce freely

This will open up the avenues for farmers to sell their produce at e-commerce and modern markets such as Amazon, BigBasket for a better price

www.business-standard.com

If you do not switch to private mandis, agriculture will completely collapse. Again... that's where the money is.

As you can see, state govts themselves can amend the laws. So you should ask your Captain Singh to amend the laws again to suit your needs. But the Modi govt desires to put all states on an even footing. It's simply because South India has made so many changes that without the same amendments, agriculture will fail. In just a few years, states without this amendment will no longer be productive.

Farmers Protest: Only 6% of farmers get benefit of MSP, majority of them in Punjab and Haryana

A central government committee report states that only 6% of the country's farmers take advantage of MSP.

www.dnaindia.com

Only 6% farmers buy at MSP. 94% farmers don't give a shit. They sell to the private sector.

Excellent. That’s what I was trying to tell since start. It’s just stupid to criminalise selling and buying food grains.

It’s brings corruption and exploitation of farmers.

 

[_Anonymous_]

No one is making Sikhs vs Hindus except you and your organization RSS who played every trick, kill and humiliate Sikhs at Gazipur border on name of riots by locals but failed, our Hindu farmer brothers failed you. So you have no problem with movements, but Jatt Sikhs leading the movement! Its you who needs to grow up, shed your inferiorities. No one is stopping you or anyone leading the farmer movement. Come and work with farmers and if you have ability to lead, then lead the movement. And its our blood you can't stop us raising our voices against injustice.

This is what is known as bringing in religion in politics. That's something JuttSikhi is famous for.

Hoisting Khalsa flag 'not a crime' — Akal Takht head says farmer leaders must ensure peace

Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Harpreet Singh advises farmers to continue to talk to govt & instead of indulging in blame game, efforts should be made to retain peace.

theprint.in

Let me take you back a year earlier during the anti CAA agitation. This is what the Akal Takht Jathedar did. Now we all know the kind of hold the SAD has over the SGPC & the Badals have over SAD. This couldn't have happened without their concurrence.

Top Sikh Body Akal Takht Extends Support To Anti-CAA Protests

Akal Takht, the top Sikh body, on Thursday extended its support to the Muslim groups that have been protesting against the Citizenship Amendment Act for weeks.

www.ndtv.com

It doesn't end here. The Punjab Assembly passed a resolution opposing the CAA with SAD advocating for inclusion of Muslims into the CAA. Mind you at that time SAD was a constituent of the NDA & part of them government whose cabinet had taken the decision to implement the CAA.

Now the various Panthic Parties along with the state armies of the princely states of Nanha Patiala Kapurthala etc & particularly the Sikh refugees from western Punjab were in the forefront of ethnic cleansing of the Muslims from East Punjab in particular the Ahmediyyas during Partition. What accounted for the sudden about turn?

Punjab Assembly passes resolution against CAA by voice vote | India News - Times of India

India News: The Punjab assembly on Friday passed a resolution against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA), demanding the Central government to repeal the Act. A

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

This followed ;

Sikh Farmers From Punjab Serve Langar to Shaheen Bagh Protesters

A group of Sikh men from Punjab, part of a farmers’ union, arrived at Delhi’s Shaheen Bagh on Wednesday, 15 January, to show solidarity with the women protesting there. They also set up a langar to provide freshly cooked food to the protesters.

www.thequint.com

Then this happened :

25 killed in Kabul gurdwara attack

India condemned the attack, calling it “cowardly”. “We convey our sincerest condolences to the immediate family members of the deceased and wish speedy recovery to the injured. India stands ready to extend all possible assistance to the affected families of the Hindu and Sikh communities of...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Followed by this ;

Anti-CAA Punjab CM, pro-Khalistan outfit request MEA to evacuate Sikhs from Afghanistan after Kabul attack

Anti-CAA Punjab CM Captain Amarinder Singh and founder of pro-Khalistan outfit Dal Khalsa now wants MEA to evacuate Sikhs from Afghanistan.

www.timesnownews.com

In between these developments occured :

Sikh priest's daughter forcibly converted to Islam in Lahore's Nankana Sahib

The victim's family said they will self immolate in-front of Punjab Governor's house if the girl was not released.

www.indiatoday.in

Akal Takht Jathedar: Sikhs will remember jatha was stopped on 100th anniversary of Nankana Sahib masscare

Speaking on the occasion, Giani Harpreet Singh, Jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib, criticised the “attitude of Government of India towards Sikhs and asked the government to change its mind towards the minorities”.

indianexpress.com

All Sikhs want Khalistan, will take if India offers: Akal Takht Jathedar | Amritsar News - The Times of India

Acting Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Harpreet Singh said on Saturday that all Sikhs want Khalistan and will take it if offered by India. The jathedar, who

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Now the Kartarpur corridor was approved by Modi in spite of various intelligence agencies warning what Pakistan can & would attempt subversion, including Capt Amarinder Singh who had grave reservation. Let me further add that since the BJP neither enjoys mass support in Punjab & we all agree that no political party does anything without getting anything in return why exactly should Modi or the BJP or the RSS contemplate such moves?

Let's add the CAA to it. Since both Modi & Shah are from Gujarat, Bhagwat from Maharashtra and the CAA doesn't concern either HP or Haryana or UP or UK or Bihar, MP Rajasthan or West or South India but impacts Punjab & WB the most, why should they bother about it? In fact the only state where the BJP is in power - Assam has reacted negatively to it.

Are you aware that a state government can't go against the central laws as it's in contravention of the Indian Constitution & can attract provisions of the law for its dismissal. Before you bring in Kerala Delhi & WB who passed similar laws, pls be informed that Kerala & Delhi have no skin in the game whereas WB under TMC is all about protecting the rights of the illegal Muslim BD economic migrant as opposed to a Hindu BD migrant who's fleeing BD to save both his life & his way of life.

Yet how did your political & religious leaders treat the issue . By going out of the way to oppose it & once the massacre happened fell over each other demanding that India grant asylum to Afghan Sikhs & Hindus. This is the calibre of your leaders - a bunch of jokers who've turned one of the most prosperous States in the country into what it is today.


The objectives have always been that of taking the Hindu down a peg or two. To show them their place. More so since now an overtly Hindu party is now in power. You think people aren't observing what's happening & can't see a pattern to it.Something similar happened during Bhindranwale's reign of terror where Hindus & Sikhs were targeted particularly the former. Till date there's absolutely no condemnation of him or an examination of why did things take such a turn for the worse & minor issues turned into major faultlines with a movement for a separate nation launched.

There are plenty of Sikhs I know of who were uncomfortable then with the politics being practised in Punjab then & now but who couldn't voice their grievances out of fear of going against a vocal radical few who'd hijacked the movement then & now . In fact Khushwant Singh the late eminent journalist remarked as much stating that Hindus in Delhi looked the other way during the 1984 Delhi pogroms because Sikhs in Punjab did so when Bhindranwale's goons massacred Hindus. Neither was the former justifiable nor is the latter. But this our history . Have we learnt anything from it? Of course not . Will we repeat it? Of course yes.

In fact Bhindranwale has a huge portrait of himself in the Darbar Sahib commemorating him as Shaheed. A Shaheed for killing innocents & taking refuge in the holiest of holies. In fact this is what he ordered to one of the former Jathedars of the Akal Takht.

Giani Partap Singh - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

www.sikhiwiki.org

Do you see any such commemoration of IG in any Hindu holy site? With the hold that the RSS has over the sadhu sant samaj which was amply demonstrated during the SRJB movement you think they can't mobilise such opinion if they want to, either in case of the anti CAA agitation or the anti farm law agitation or even to commemorate IG as a Hindu martyr especially since Sikh religious & political leaders have a long tradition of bringing in religion into every aspect of their lives & struggle.

Who exactly is bringing religion into the mix here while accusing others of doing so?

 

[Maler]

I am here to discuss with people of common mind. Also reply to people spreading propaganda and misinformation. I will keep my dignity here, some online thuggs can't hurt my dignity!

And you'd do what your lot has done before. Abuse Nehru & Kairon during the Punjabi Suba movement. Abuse IG & the Congress throughout the 70s 80s & 90s . Today you do so to the BJP . Tomm some other party comes to power you'd do the same. You're that predicable.

Yea sure, I am predictable. I will fight against any tyrant of our time, be it Modi/RSS or IG! And I will continue doing the same!

 

[Maler]

Er... Per hectare is what matters. That's how efficiency is counted.

Karnatka has more farm efficiency but low per kepta income of farmers. How?

Subsistence farmers. They are fvcked regardless of the farm laws. These people have just 1 to 1.5 acres of farmland, so they can't make any real money even if they sell at MSP.

These people do not have alternatives in agriculture. Rather they should be selling their farms and getting into the alternatives.

The worst of the lot are those who lease farmland and do not get any real benefits from the govt since all those benefits go to the owners of the land.

Most of the farmers who have gone up north from here are subsistence farmers, and they shouldn't be in the farming business. They will have better options once the private sector comes in because they can get picked up as labourers with decent pay.

If TN also have more farm efficiency than Punjab, then how their farmer's per kepta income is lower than Punjab?

Most of India has subsistence farmers. Only 5% of the farming population are large farmers.



The reason is simple. The market will collapse because it's unsustainable. The FCI is already making losses of roughly 2LC every year. Legalising MSP will mean a greater surplus, which cannot be sold. FCI already has surplus stocks, and are being forced to sell at lower prices in the open market. So the prices of the products will keep getting lower and lower until the market collapses. The FCI is making 2LC losses by merely catering to that 6%. To put that in perspective, the entire Punjabi agriculture market is 1.5LC.

There hardly burden of 3-4 lakh crore, if govt makes law for MSP. Govt need not to buy everything itself, but corporates should buy at MSP rates.
If govt can right off NPA of 7 lakh crore of corporates, then whats the problem with financing FCI.

Anyway, this will give rise to a black market that won't sustain the formal market. The biggest losers will be the farmers and the govt, while the biggest winners will be middlemen. Of course consumers will happily pay cheaper price as well. And as the consumer gets bigger in population, as is happening right now, the govt will start focusing more on the middle class. Then the free ride will end.

Socialist policies have failed in all countries that have tried them. No exception. As I said, India sustains such wasteful expenditure only because the middle class pays for it.

Where on earth, consumers got cheaper prices when system was privatized? Kindly quote an example for the same. Also, give an example of any country globally, where these laws of privitization were successful?

There's also the security aspect. Only Punjab and Haryana take advantage of the MSP at the expense of the rest of the country. Once the rest of the country actually gets to know this, the backlash will be extremely severe. Right now the majority of our farming population is completely ignorant of this fact. And you guys are doing a great job advertising this fact. And considering Punjab's history with terrorism, there's not going to be any sympathy for you. The govt will be fine with pissing off 1 state that doesn't even vote for them than the entire country. Which is why the new farm laws will go through.

Yes Punjab and Haryana were benefitted by MSP, now farmers are demanding MSP for whole country!

Bihar is a fvcked up state. They are fvcked up in every metric there is. Agriculture is simply a part of that big mess.

So anything that did not suit your narrative, then avoid it. Smart.....

Why not compare to Karnataka, where 99% of rice is sold to the private sector? We are doing much better than MSP.

Karnataka's GSDP in agriculture is only slightly smaller than Punjab's, 1.2LC vs 1.5LC. Only a few million more people in Karnataka are in agriculture compared to Punjab, I believe it's 30 million vs 23 million, but growth rate is 2-3 times that of Punjab. And private purchase was legalised only last year. So, with the reforms, after some bumps along the way, it's expected that Karnataka's agri market is expected to double over the course of a few years, which will leave Punjab behind by a massive margin in just a decade. Also, subsistence farmers are giving up their farm to large landholders since the state's alternative industries are growing even faster. Even non-farmers can now buy farmland, which was denied earlier. Children of such farmers are either getting educated for white collar jobs or getting skilled in blue collar jobs, so parents are selling their land to larger farmers who are in turn producing greater yields. To top that off, of the five major states in the South, Karnataka is the poorest, so the other states are doing even better.

If Karnatka is successful, then why per kepta income of their farmer is less than Punjab.

 

[AbRaj]

It’s Per Capita genius and not Kepta

 

[AbRaj]

Bas kuchh bhi......If land owners of 444 acres of land can't able to sustain themselves in agriculture field with these laws, how can a land owner of 2 acre land will be successful?

There’s a different meaning of “sustainment” for a US farmers and for an Indian Farmer.
Most of US farmers are focking rich in our standards.

 

[Maler]

There’s a different meaning of “sustainment” for a US farmers and for a Indian Farmer.
Most of US farmers are focking rich in our standards.

They were getting a subsidy of $60000/- and still were not able to sustain agriculture, then how will Indian farmer sustain!

What is the difference between sustainment of Indian and US farmer!

I’m a Devanagari speaking Hindu.
I know my stuff like you know yours

Any reference?

 

[AbRaj]

They were getting a subsidy of $60000/- and still were not able to sustain agriculture, then how will Indian farmer sustain!

What is the difference between sustainment of Indian and US farmer!

By their standards 90 % of us are nothing better then beggars.
(Compare the per capita income of the two groups )
There is no comparison between two . As random said they are at polar opposite to us. We are a socialist leaning society and they are Über capitalistic and need only few social benefits like subsidies etc

 

[_Anonymous_]

See another comment on state.

Instead if showing me another comment look at your GSDP, state of water resources, state of industrialization & compare it to what it was 2-3 decades ago. Now compare it to other states & see the comparison in progress. Punjab up until 2000 was at the very top of all economic indices.


Normally post agricultural success, the next step would be to leap into the industrial sector. That's how ancient or even medieval India was such a prosperous state with a plethora of proto industry to support exports like textiles, jewelry, gems, etc apart from agricultural produce, exotic goods etc The same formula continues today. Yet your state missed the bus.

Today with the amount of progress the world over in agricultural & horticultural technology, Punjab with it's head start it received courtesy the green revolution, should've been in the forefront. I've no clue as to where it is today except that it's a laggard.

Incidentally this is what TLG has accomplished.

India is building a 50,000 acre mega drip irrigation project

So, you see Punjab is on some trip. Except it's not what's listed here but more of endless privileges & rent seeking in perpetuity. Too bad the party's over.

 

[randomradio]

Karnatka has more farm efficiency but low per kepta income of farmers. How?

Because growth has not caught up yet. Punjab got a 20-year headstart, but the 3x growth Karnataka has experienced has allowed it to catch up somewhat.

Punjab has 99% of its farmland under irrigation while Karnataka has only 29%. See the difference. Plus Karnataka was once extremely poor and majority of farmers are subsistence farmers. Plus we see regular bouts of drought, which is extremely bad during some years, especially because 70% is yet to come under irrigation. And we do not get the same level of subsidy as Punjabi farmers.

Due to lack of irrigation, during drought years growth is negative, but growth during non-drought year climbs into double digits to make up for the losses. IIRC, agri growth was -5% in 2017 but climbed by 14% in 2018.

Even then Karnataka is expected to completely beat Punjab in agriculture. As I've pointed out, our farming populations are very similar, but we have more or less caught up, even with less subsidies, little irrigation, subsistence farming and drought, problems that Punjab faces little to none of. And with 2-3x growth, the small difference will be covered up in just a few years.

Per capita doesn't determine efficiency, what determines efficiency is the yield per hectare. And Punjab is really bad at this compared to other states. Even Karnataka is, but that's more to do with less water availability than anything else.

If TN also have more farm efficiency than Punjab, then how their farmer's per kepta income is lower than Punjab?

Same reason as Karnataka. Late start, less irrigation, less subsidies etc. Heavy rains and cyclones also destroy crops. The weather also gets extremely hot.

There hardly burden of 3-4 lakh crore, if govt makes law for MSP. Govt need not to buy everything itself, but corporates should buy at MSP rates.

There shouldn't be any burdern in the first place. The govt is not a consumer.

If govt can right off NPA of 7 lakh crore of corporates, then whats the problem with financing FCI.

You are confusing write off with waive off. Both have different meanings. When you write off a loan, it only benefits the bank, the company still has to pay all that money back. Write off only means the bank can lend more of their money to someone else. The govt did not waive off any loan.

Where on earth, consumers got cheaper prices when system was privatized? Kindly quote an example for the same. Also, give an example of any country globally, where these laws of privitization were successful?

US, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Japan etc etc etc. All rich countries have private mandis.

You privatise, you get rich. You depend on the govt, you live marginally until the economy collapses.

Yes Punjab and Haryana were benefitted by MSP, now farmers are demanding MSP for whole country!

What you are asking for is the complete collapse of the country.

What you are doing is considered begging and charity.

 

[Shaktimaan]

Instead if showing me another comment look at your GSDP, state of water resources, state of industrialization & compare it to what it was 2-3 decades ago. Now compare it to other states & see the comparison in progress. Punjab up until 2000 was at the very top of all economic indices.


Normally post agricultural success, the next step would be to leap into the industrial sector. That's how ancient or even medieval India was such a prosperous state with a plethora of proto industry to support exports like textiles, jewelry, gems, etc apart from agricultural produce, exotic goods etc The same formula continues today. Yet your state missed the bus.

Today with the amount of progress the world over in agricultural & horticultural technology, Punjab with it's head start it received courtesy the green revolution, should've been in the forefront. I've no clue as to where it is today except that it's a laggard.

Incidentally this is what TLG has accomplished.

India is building a 50,000 acre mega drip irrigation project

So, you see Punjab is on some trip. Except it's not what's listed here but more of endless privileges & rent seeking in perpetuity. Too bad the party's over.

So it doesn't mean u will make unnecessary comments on any State. My point is that u r also making unnecessary comments.

 

[_Anonymous_]

So it doesn't mean u will make unnecessary comments on any State. My point is that u r also making unnecessary comments.

Was that comment addressed to you? If your state people go about creating mayhem for months on end you think the rest of the nation will just sit tight & put up with it silently, is it?

 

[Shaktimaan]

Was that comment addressed to you? If your state people go about creating mayhem for months on end you think the rest of the nation will just sit tight & put up with it silently, is it?

Whats rest of nation doing?? Complaining on public forums??
mayhem?
Then u should bear other people posts also instead of complaining they are targetting some groups ....

 

[randomradio]

What @Maler and Punjabi farmers are experiencing is called Stockholm Syndrome. They are so used to being taken for a ride that they think this is normal and would even protect those who are actually harming them.