Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis

All good and dandy, but clubbing ABV with likes of IK/MMS etc. is very painful to accept. Vajpayee was the best PM India will ever have, IMHO. Yes, he did make some mistakes but his good deeds outdo his mistakes, IMO. Modi ji is doing nothing but to continue the work of ABV after the 10 years of corrupt UPA rule. We should see Modi as an extension of ABV and his policies rather than saying Modi>>ABV in every way, IMO.

I think ABV became an extension of the Cong way of doing things instead of completely upsetting the status quo, as Modi ji has done.
In 2004, voters rejected the ABV/LKA way of doing things and again in 2009, despite UPA misrule.
While ABV had his plus points, the Kandahar hijacking is something I cannot forgive him for. I think he was too jaded by the time he became PM.
 
We seem to lay inordinate emphasis on how western commentators see India , its position & actions in various spheres of life . It seems the urge for validation in spite of all that talk about de colonization hasn't gone away.

We could extend this line of thought to Operation Sindoor as well. Hence Tom Cooper & others on one side & CNN , NYT , Reuters etc on the other.

How about we take cognizance of our very own native brand of analysts who've been around & interacted with our armed forces & the security establishment at close quarters reporting on them in the public arena for decades ?!
I wish this post gets pinned to all social media threads where people spend countless hours arguing over claims made Pak, or wallow in self pity because some random white man has criticized India.
I have seen big change in the attitude of Indians who grew up after 1991 (I was pre liberalization). They no longer see themselves as inferior to
the west. We cannot advance as a nation if we lack self confidence.
That said, we lack the ability to analuse based on facts and logic, which is why we must promote Indian analysts who do it and recognise westerers
who analyse things without bias and applying intellectual rigor.

The Americans, Russians or Chinese don't give a **** what the rest of the world thinks about them.
 
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A) Is there a chance that India & IAF will do away with 97 MK1A and use those funds for extra MK2?

My reason being - airbase near to pak border are no longer safe (pak can be expected to purchase supersonic cruise missiles). mk2 (having increased range) can fly from deeper airbase. Also - there might not be too much cost difference between mk2 & mk1a?

B) Also- is TEDBF still in plans or will ot be direct AMCA after MK2?
 
I think ABV became an extension of the Cong way of doing things instead of completely upsetting the status quo, as Modi ji has done.
In 2004, voters rejected the ABV/LKA way of doing things and again in 2009, despite UPA misrule.
While ABV had his plus points, the Kandahar hijacking is something I cannot forgive him for. I think he was too jaded by the time he became PM.
I already accepted his mistakes. He backtracked multiple times when he shouldn't have. But we saw India completely changing during his tenure. Despite their shortcomings P.V.Narasimha Rao & Atal Bihari Vajpayee are two of the most instrumental leaders of modern India. Remove them and entire future of India changes. Modi is doing nothing but progressing and expanding the foundation of the works laid during ABV's terms.

From what I personally witnessed, I will never accept any other leader to be superior to ABV, ever(saying this as a great supporter of Modi ji). Period.

Rest, we can agree to disagree👍
 
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A) Is there a chance that India & IAF will do away with 97 MK1A and use those funds for extra MK2?

Nah, different requirements. We need a large number of Mk1As to function exclusively as ADFs. Mk2 can do so much more. It's worth it to divert funds from MRFA for sake of more Mk2, but can't & shouldn't divert from Mk1A.

My reason being - airbase near to pak border are no longer safe (pak can be expected to purchase supersonic cruise missiles). mk2 (having increased range) can fly from deeper airbase. Also - there might not be too much cost difference between mk2 & mk1a?

Then we need to boost our AD, and increase our SSM/MBRL density so that their air bases are out of action well before ours.

Moving our forward bases back would give Pak the one thing they desperately need - strategic depth. Can't do that, we need to press them right up against the edge of the Indus plain, force their aircraft to fly closer & closer to the Afg/Iran borders.

B) Also- is TEDBF still in plans or will ot be direct AMCA after MK2?

As things stand, TEDBF is expected to arrive after AMCA, not before (2036 vs 2038).

So anyway it's going to be direct AMCA after Mk2.

Because the Navy seems to be evolving their requirement toward a 5th gen platform as the future deck-based fighter. If they firm up that plan, then the TEDBF design will have to change significantly. Saurav Jha in a recent IAH episode said that it may have to incorporate internal weapon bays in that case (obviously).

If that plays out, the TEDBF design we've been playing with till now would be junked. We'd have to start anew with a proper VLO design.

I've been arguing that we should go down that path for a long time now. It would be insane to induct a 4.5G, non-stealthy TEDBF to begin service by ~2040.
 
Cementing India’s Intelligence Edge Against Pakistan After Operation Sindoor

On 12 May 2025, Prime Minister (PM) Narendra Modi addressed the Indian people. In a speech that notably declared any further Pakistani sponsorship of terrorism to constitute an act of war against India, the PM not only highlighted the resilience and unity of the Indian people during Operation Sindoor – India’s calculated response to the terrorist attack abetted by Pakistan in Pahalgam over two weeks prior—but also openly expressed his appreciation of the role played by the nation’s intelligence services.

As the dust settles, a growing body of evidence points towards the stellar role played by India’s intelligence services during Operation Sindoor. These achievements have augmented India’s strategic advantage over Pakistan and paved the way for the country’s security agencies to maintain long-term pressure on Islamabad and build upon their successes in recent weeks.

Akashteer and the successes of Indian intelligence.​

The success of India’s Akashteer air defence system during Operation Sindoor illustrates the growing sophistication of India’s technological intelligence (TECHINT) capabilities. Informed in real-time by India’s network of Cartosat satellites, the Akashteer systems reportedly achieved near-perfect success rates when deployed against waves of Pakistani drone swarms targeting civilian infrastructure along the border and within the hinterland. More than just a testament to India’s growing technological prowess, the engineering and operational performance of the Akashteer system inactive conflict underscores the seamless integration between higher-level strategic intelligence (exemplified by the collection and processing of real-time satellite imagery) and immediate tactical application. The result has been fewer civilian casualties than might otherwise have been expected, and negligible grounds for the Pakistani military to claim even a semblance of success.

the success of the Akashteer air defence systems captured India’s growing autonomy as an intelligence actor. In stark contrast to the 1999 Kargil War, when the United States actively degraded the accuracy of India’s non-military GPS receivers through the policy of ‘selective availability’ for political leverage
More importantly, however, the success of the Akashteer air defence systems captured India’s growing autonomy as an intelligence actor. In stark contrast to the 1999 Kargil War, when the United States actively degraded the accuracy of India’s non-military GPS receivers through the policy of ‘selective availability’ for political leverage, Akashteer utilised the indigenously developed NAVIC navigation system. This significantly diminished the capacity of external actors such as the US to play any meaningful operational role in the conflict. By the early hours of 10 May, the Indian Air Force had struck PAF Base Nur Khan in Rawalpindi – located a short distance away from the secretariat of Pakistan’s nuclear command authority, the Strategic Plans Division – thus successfully re-establishing the deterrence objective that lay at the heart of Operation Sindoor.

Counterintelligence: Into Uncharted Waters​

Since 11 May, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) and the Intelligence Bureau (IB) have made numerous arrests across India of individuals suspected of aiding Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). The backgrounds of those detained shed light on Islamabad’s evolving intelligence priorities in India while also highlighting the steps that India’s counterintelligence services must take to meet these emerging threats.

The arrest of Jyoti Malhotra – a social media influencer – suggests a greater focus by the ISI on recruiting agents of influence to disseminate disinformation in both peacetime and wartime, as suggested by police sources. Such efforts are likely to continue alongside the ISI’s traditional focus on recruiting those in lower-level managerial positions with access to information of strategic value, as well as underpaid civilians in strategically sensitive areas of the country. Past examples include ex-Brahmos engineer Nishant Agarwal and Mujeeb Rahman, arrested for impersonating a government official to gather intelligence on the movements of INS Vikrant at the height of Operation Sindoor.

Indian authorities have banned social media profiles of Chinese and Turkish state media outlets, given their role in promoting ISI-aligned narratives during the conflict.
Early indications suggest that India’s counterintelligence services recognise these challenges and have begun taking steps to counteract them. Some of these efforts appear to be bearing fruit already—for instance, the recent arrest of an 18-year-old man in Gujarat on charges of ‘cyber terrorism’ and for abetting Pakistani cyberattacks against government websites during Operation Sindoor. In parallel, Indian authorities have also taken action against the amplification of Pakistani disinformation by third-party states, treating this as a counterintelligence concern of the highest order. Indian authorities have banned social media profiles of Chinese and Turkish state media outlets, given their role in promoting ISI-aligned narratives during the conflict.

Intelligence Liaison: Scope for expansion​

It is equally vital that India take advantage of the ongoing suspension in active hostilities to derive the greatest strategic advantage possible through intelligence liaison with partner countries. In recent days, External Affairs Minister (EAM) S. Jaishankar has spoken to Afghan Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi – the first official call between the two since the Taliban’s takeover of Kabul in 2021. National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval has also spoken with his Iranian counterpart, Ali Akbar Ahmadian. Both countries have a shared mistrust of Pakistan and its destabilising role in the region – ties between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban are at an all-time low, and Iran has a history of both border skirmishes as well as spying on Pakistan. A mutual recognition of shared concerns may be conducive to the expansion of existing liaison frameworks, allowing New Delhi to exert greater pressure on Pakistan and preclude its ability to employ terrorism as a tool of state policy. However, any intelligence-sharing agreement with these countries must carefully account for the risk of classified information being compromised via Pakistan’s access through China, given both Afghanistan’s and Iran’s increasing alignment with Beijing in recent years.

Indeed, Operation Sindoor has provided a brief window of opportunity for India to expand its influence as an intelligence liaison partner to key allies. It is an advantage that could be leveraged for immediate diplomatic or economic benefits. The debris of intercepted Chinese PL-15E missiles and Turkish drones employed by Pakistan provides India with the opportunity to understand both Chinese and Turkish weapons systems—intelligence that may be used by New Delhi or traded with interested global partners. Sources suggest that countries such as France and the member-states of the Five Eyes alliance (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the US) have already expressed interest in acquiring such intelligence.

Challenges and Next Steps​

However, much more remains to be done within the intelligence space if India is to cement the gains achieved in deterring Pakistan through Operation Sindoor. While the specific details of each strategy will vary depending on its context and objectives, an offensive posture—encompassing gathering intelligence through both human and technical sources, as well as the active deployment of deception and kinetic operations—may be best suited to sustaining the deterrence recently established against Pakistan’s state-sponsored terrorism.

Intelligence collection priorities must also emphasise unilateral operations, given the internal security vulnerabilities of many regional governments and their growing geopolitical alignment with both Turkey and China.
A key component of deterring Pakistan against future misadventures involves developing a clearer understanding of its longstanding strategic alignment with both Turkey and China, which Operation Sindoor brought into sharper public focus. As such, India must expand intelligence collection efforts aimed at mapping where and how the three countries’ interests converge or diverge, particularly concerning Pakistan’s sponsorship of terrorism. This may require dedicating increased resources to intelligence collection in third-party geographies—where Islamabad’s, Beijing’s, and Ankara’s interests and activities most visibly intersect. In particular, Central Asia and the Caucasus are critical regions, given that both Turkey and China have expanded their economic and political footprint here, and that Pakistan has recruited and trained anti-India terrorists here in the recent past. Identifying where Pakistan’s interests and policies most closely align or differ from those of its two closest strategic partners may provide Indian policymakers with a fuller picture of key vulnerabilities that may be exploited through an array of means, both overt and covert, to preserve the long-term deterrence sought at the outset of Operation Sindoor. While liaison with regional partners may help pursue this strategy (as noted previously), intelligence collection priorities must also emphasise unilateral operations, given the internal security vulnerabilities of many regional governments and their growing geopolitical alignment with both Turkey and China.

It is similarly recommended that counter-OSINT (open-source intelligence) capabilities be prioritised, given the corrosive effect of Pakistani disinformation, often augmented by Turkish and Chinese state media. Just as the 26/11 attacks resulted in the establishment of the NIA two years later to primarily address counterterrorism issues and to liaise between India’s various security agencies, a dedicated counter-OSINT agency may help achieve a similar goal against disinformation. Lessons may be drawn from Sweden’s Psychological Defence Agency, established in 2022 to counter the threat posed by Russian and Chinese disinformation campaigns. A similar Indian agency could potentially working closely with sister services such as the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO, India’s primary signals intelligence agency, which played a critical role during Operation Sindoor), or even collaborate with private sector initiatives, such as the task force formed by the Data Security Council of India to examine the nature of and vulnerabilities targeted by Pakistani digital threat actors during the confict.

Equally, Indian intelligence agencies can preserve the gains made during Operation Sindoor through the sustained pursuit of covert action—both in counter-deception and kinetic operations. The targeted neutralisation of Pakistani terrorists may not only serve to decapitate the leadership of such groups, but also signal the futility of relying on the generosity of a state incapable of ensuring their physical security. Proactive steps by Indian counterintelligence services to address Pakistan’s efforts to recruit agents of influence through the creative use of deception and counterespionage – perhaps in coordination with the abovementioned, hypothetical counter-OSINT services – could significantly increase confusion within the adversary’s strategic circles. Such an approach will serve to constrain any gains made through the recruitment of Indian citizens for spying.

India’s intelligence services have undoubtedly played a vital role in aiding the achievement of its strategic goals under the banner of Operation Sindoor. However, to ensure that these successes are not reversed, a more proactive strategy—built on the momentum of recent gains—must be prioritised. A combination of patience, confidence, strategic clarity, and a healthy dollop of scepticism may go a long way in helping India maintain the deterrence that it has established in recent weeks.
 
The fact that the IAF could conduct strikes without SEAD/DEAD and penetrate PAF airspace with limited SEAD/DEAD while the PAF was using primary Chinese systems like HQ-9, HQ-16, and J-10C with PLAAF's version of PL-15s potentially integrated with advanced Western AWACS and perhaps even Chinese AMTI satellites should actually scare the PLAAF.
Bigger fear would be to PLAN

Hans understood the serious threat USN and USAF fighter jets posed to PLAN surface fleet. They attempted to address it with naval variants of HQ-9 SAMs on their surface fleet vessels.

Now, given the ability of Brahmos to penetrate HQ-9 defense in Pakistan means PLAN surface vessels are even vulnerable to Vietnam's K-300P Bastion-P and Philippine navy' newly acquired brahmos.

I am expecting some upgrades by PLA if it wishes to survive USAF and USN or unless burden of defending PLAN and mainland China is entirely upon PLAAF fighter jets.

Something tells me PLAN with operate only within the range of PLAAF from its coastline in a confrontation with USA
 
@randomradio @Parthu @_Anonymous_
A) Is there a chance that India & IAF will do away with 97 MK1A and use those funds for extra MK2?

That would be the best thing ever. America-willing. If they delay the F404 a bit more, the IAF could opt for more Mk2 instead. The second order of Mk1As was chosen to make up for Mk2's delays. But if F414 is delayed too, then we will have to rely on even more Mk1As. Catch 22.

Anyway, I think F414 will be signed by the end of the year, and F404 will slowly come along in lesser numbers than anticipated. We are likely just pretending to look elsewhere. But the French are best placed to provide a replacement for the F414. They can provide a F404 replacement too, but it's too late for that.

My reason being - airbase near to pak border are no longer safe (pak can be expected to purchase supersonic cruise missiles). mk2 (having increased range) can fly from deeper airbase. Also - there might not be too much cost difference between mk2 & mk1a?

Any Mk2 can operate from the same base as Mk1A. The requirement is pretty much the same, Mk2 just does extra stuff against ground targets.

Regardless of distance, bases require robust IADS and EW for defense.

B) Also- is TEDBF still in plans or will ot be direct AMCA after MK2?

Yeah, TEDBF will go ahead as usual, parallel to AMCA. Official induction of TEDBF (2038) is after AMCA (2035), but TEDBF is an easier program so it will see lesser delays.
 
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Bigger fear would be to PLAN

Hans understood the serious threat USN and USAF fighter jets posed to PLAN surface fleet. They attempted to address it with naval variants of HQ-9 SAMs on their surface fleet vessels.

Now, given the ability of Brahmos to penetrate HQ-9 defense in Pakistan means PLAN surface vessels are even vulnerable to Vietnam's K-300P Bastion-P and Philippine navy' newly acquired brahmos.

I am expecting some upgrades by PLA if it wishes to survive USAF and USN or unless burden of defending PLAN and mainland China is entirely upon PLAAF fighter jets.

Something tells me PLAN with operate only within the range of PLAAF from its coastline in a confrontation with USA

PLAN cannot fight the USN with what they have today. They need all new capabilities on their destroyers and they definitely need SSNs, so 2035 at the earliest in terms of both capabilities and numbers. Yeah, maybe by 2040 they will be able to leave their coastline when operating against the USN.

I have no idea why USN is so highly underestimated. Only the Russians can compete with them today 'cause of SSNs and even that's quite a bit iffy.