Airbus to offer Eurofighter for MMRCA 2.0

OMG. But we can't choose a effing plane without this farce either.

This method is the correct way to do it. It includes field trials and competitive bids.

Even HAL had to resort to competitive bidding in order to reduce the ELTA radar's price for the LCA.
 
This method is the correct way to do it. It includes field trials and competitive bids.

Even HAL had to resort to competitive bidding in order to reduce the ELTA radar's price for the LCA.


this is for the opposition to shut up. or pappu will shout throughout his life that Modiji has favored his friend Ambani to win the contract. we both know that's got nothing to do with the contract. if dassault is happy with reliance, i'm good. everybody knows its either gripen or rafel. single engined or double engined. do the deal, save the time. time is money. but no, we have to do this cause pappu and co. exist.
 
this is for the opposition to shut up. or pappu will shout throughout his life that Modiji has favored his friend Ambani to win the contract. we both know that's got nothing to do with the contract. if dassault is happy with reliance, i'm good. everybody knows its either gripen or rafel. single engined or double engined. do the deal, save the time. time is money. but no, we have to do this cause pappu and co. exist.

There is no real wastage of time here.

While this tender is ongoing, we will be taking deliveries of the 36 Rafales. Once the tender is signed and we are waiting for the first delivery, we will be taking deliveries of the 2nd tranche of 36 Rafales. In the meantime, the Rafale F4 will become available. So we will get at least 72 Rafales before the tender aircraft come into play. By going for 2 bases, the IAF has practically guaranteed 72 Rafales even without the tender coming into play.

Pappu and co are just noisy, they can't do much here. But we have to follow the tender process anyway or the French will rip us off. For them, it's all about the money.
 
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Rafale not that capable in A2A as Eurofighter, (two way link with Meteor)
Thus each plane has its shortcomings

The biggest drawbacks for Rafale's competitors.

F-16 E/F - Single engine.
Gripen E/F - Single engine.
Mig-35 - Russian.
F/A-18 - With the Advanced Super Hornet cancelled, the SH Block 3 is not adequate.
Typhoon - Expensive. Modernisation has not kept pace.

Except for Typhoon and Gripen, all the other jets are too old for us to bother with. While the Gripen has kept pace with modernisation, hopefully the new export orders for Typhoon will force them to modernise quickly. At least both aircraft come with Meteor.
 
Parrikar was a good and effective defence minister for few decades already
He was perhaps the most educationally capable DM

Sending him to Goa was a necessity as else BJP might have lost Goa,

BTW he is suffering from Cancer and was recently in USA for his treatment.

politicians in the past have ruled india. like a mf'ing king or a queen. the ruler mindset has not gone from their minds. you will still see this mindset in the piss filled parts of india like bengal, up, bihar, chattisgarh. and india is slow to change when the change comes from the bottom of the pyramid. but changes flow faster when the top starts to shove things down the chain from the top. hence Modiji is quite important for national security. *censored* politics.



Parikar saab was the DM for a such a short time and the first person to sort out the post UPA II defence mess. including the OROP issue. he showed excellent work. fast tracked scorpion production, arihant testing, literally shoved the Tejas down Arup Raha's throat. Literally. Arup Raha was forced to go public with the statement that Tejas is enough for IAF. he had never said that before. including tipnis all have said, good plane, excellent plane whatever...nobody said that this is what we can work with. this is enough for our needs. raha was the first IAF chief who said that. under Parikar saheb. and this is when ? when IAF was screaming to anybody who would listen "we want 125 rafales". what did they get ? 2 sqdns of rafale and rest a big order of Tejas and the Mk1. like how it makes sense when you are within a budget. not oil sleek.

see what happened ? BJP wanted him back as Goa's CM. After barely a year, he went back to his native Goa as the CM. Internal politics took priority over national defence and who took the decision ? BJP, the ruling party. what will you say ? there is nothing to say..
 
Parrikar was a good and effective defence minister for few decades already
He was perhaps the most educationally capable DM

Sending him to Goa was a necessity as else BJP might have lost Goa,

BTW he is suffering from Cancer and was recently in USA for his treatment.
Sorry for him. It's sad.
 
Rafale not that capable in A2A as Eurofighter, (two way link with Meteor)
Thus each plane has its shortcomings
The two-way data link with Meteor was offered as an option to all our export customers (including India) after the advantages and disadvantages were explained to them. None of these clients chose this option.
In fact, the Meteor's seeker only lights up 10 seconds before impact, which is too short a time for the missile's link to the aircraft to be of any use.
 
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I have no idea why the MOD has not considered the Tiger Moth yet? Excellet servicability, low maintainence cost, exceptional performance. We really should add that to the list.
 
Parrikar was a good and effective defence minister for few decades already
He was perhaps the most educationally capable DM

Sending him to Goa was a necessity as else BJP might have lost Goa,

BTW he is suffering from Cancer and was recently in USA for his treatment.

oh dang I didn't know that. I believe he was a family friend of @Jbgt90.
 
Rafale not that capable in A2A as Eurofighter, (two way link with Meteor)
The two-way link is a massively overhyped gizmo, but it isn't that important in practice. Much more important is to have a radar powerful enough to exploit the range of the Meteor -- and only the Rafale has that.

Don't make me laugh with the Typhoon's CAPTOR-E, it has yet to exist, and whenever we hear about it, it's to say that there are further delays.
 
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Rafale not that capable in A2A as Eurofighter, (two way link with Meteor)
Thus each plane has its shortcomings

That 2 way link doesn't mean much. It's a nice feature to have, but has no real relevance to actual combat. It is primarily meant to tell the aircraft that the seeker has locked on.

And I wouldn't put too much hopes on the Typhoon's radar. The Rafale F4 will blow it out of the air.
 
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Massively overhyped? Thats what typical answer from Rafale fanboys when found wanting.
And its true that CAPTOR E is delayed, But its not that India will be buying the plane tomorrow off the shelf.
So going by possible Indian time lines, Typhoon does make a good sense.
Further in A2A combat even the swiss eval which many Rafale fanboys quote, I believe Eurofighter scored more than Rafale did it not?

The two-way link is a massively overhyped gizmo, but it isn't that important in practice. Much more important is to have a radar powerful enough to exploit the range of the Meteor -- and only the Rafale has that.

Don't make me laugh with the Typhoon's CAPTOR-E, it has yet to exist, and whenever we hear about it, it's to say that there are further delays.
 
Where exactly is F4? I think the French are planning F4 now, they are trying to plan till F 4.2
F3R is now going to be implemented (Indian Rafale should be F3R and not F4)
2 Way link is a good feature and much useful in actual combat case.

That 2 way link doesn't mean much. It's a nice feature to have, but has no real relevance to actual combat. It is primarily meant to tell the aircraft that the seeker has locked on.

And I wouldn't put too much hopes on the Typhoon's radar. The Rafale F4 will blow it out of the air.
 
@vstol Jockey

What's the status of MSA ?

Naval flight test chief joined your company ?

Ukraine wind tunnel tests ?

Any progress that can be shared with us ?
 
Massively overhyped? Thats what typical answer from Rafale fanboys when found wanting.
And its true that CAPTOR E is delayed, But its not that India will be buying the plane tomorrow off the shelf.
So going by possible Indian time lines, Typhoon does make a good sense.
Further in A2A combat even the swiss eval which many Rafale fanboys quote, I believe Eurofighter scored more than Rafale did it not?
chose the one you want ....
swiss eval 1.PNGswiss eval 2.PNGswiss eval 3.PNG

EF is always between Gripen and Rafale.
And, more interesting, the evoluted EF is less potent than the Rafale without evolution.
 
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Massively overhyped? Thats what typical answer from Rafale fanboys when found wanting.
And its true that CAPTOR E is delayed, But its not that India will be buying the plane tomorrow off the shelf.
So going by possible Indian time lines, Typhoon does make a good sense.
Further in A2A combat even the swiss eval which many Rafale fanboys quote, I believe Eurofighter scored more than Rafale did it not?
Swiss eval 6.PNG

All is said. Just read my dear Smestarz.
 
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