We are idiots , developing something for so miniscule numbers. Already CLGM will have less than 240 Arjuns with 120mm rifled guns.
Should have adopted 125mm smoothbore, atleast do it now.
It's fine but we need to focus on apfsds rods more than anything. That's our biggest flaw in our armoured fleet...
Whatever OFB touches,turns into a pile of crap.
This will require metallurgical expertise. Something we are not known for, yet. Investments in metallurgy will directly impact the effictiveness of our guns and penetrators.
bharat forge is manufacturing the 120mm ammunition.
But where is the auto loader to accomdate such powerful rounds.
I don't know of any auto-loader projects. But development of APUs that help auto-loaders and gun turret to function without running the main engine has been seen many times. So maybe there is an auto-loader, just not public yet.
Simple answer JV with BAE systems. And remove the ban on IMI,Denel and finmeccanica. The problem is the bureaucracy companies shouldn't get hit with bans this badly. IMI already has 650 mm rha ammunition for 2a46m 125mm gun. So our problems will be solved if we actually take it seriously..
That's why private firms or JV's. Where the Babu's are told by gora sahibs on how to make tungsten rounds. We haven't even made a single du round while pakistani already has one...
JV will not solve the problem. It needs investments in R&D. Bureaucracy has very little to do with it. Nothing stops Bharat Forge and the rest of the metal giants from investing in R&D. But they don't. Except BForge recently. Let's not blame the bureaucracy for everything.
Well they are not allowed to produce apfsds. Let the private industry enter into ammuniton manufacturing and give them orders. We will have 800 mm rha apfsds in no time. You don't make products for future demands. I completely agree with the r&d part. But you can't leave anything with the ofb to produce. It's structures has to dismantled and restructured again. Let ofb's be more like PSU's even that would be a big upgrade for them...
Again with babu this babu that. Have babu stopped pvt player from developing or doing R&D? answer is no. These clown are sitting on huge pile of cash. If they can deliver a product as specified by military on there own. military will give order, period. If they try to pass screw giri as there own than army probably will buy directly from main supplier abroad.
Babu is limiting private player entry. There is no point in developing technologies when the government won't treat you on par with Non-performing assets like ofb.
Lol military won't give order because domestic companies can't give kickbacks at the level of foreign companies. That's what we are experiencing right now. Our military didn't even know about guys like tonbo or mku for most of the time. You are expecting too much from the government. Can't blame you because you are a communist.
Baba kalyani even with all of his rapport in the MoD isn't able to do a single sale even though he has such a varied line of products for our military not even a single thing has been bought.
Ofb has been doing screwdrivergiri for the past 70 years. Nothing that has come out of their own stable is innovative. And even what they copy is atleast 20-30 years behind to what conventional armies are using in 2020. I would much rather prefer quality screwdrivergiri by local company with timely delivery that NPA's like ofb taking forever to develop simple artillery shells.
First let's see India buying something in bulk from a private indian company then we can talk uf useless PSU's and ofb are on par with private companies..
Yes, babus did stop private players from investing. If every project is automatically given to corrupt and inefficient OFB why would the private sector invest in it ?
Those 'clowns' are sitting on their/investors hard-earned money. You have no right to judge where they should put it.
On the other hand, ofb is living from taxpayers' hard-earned money. And giving army defective products on an inflated cost.
The military will give? Where is this fantasy land at? Till 5 years back procurement procedure did not allow the private sector to compete in tenders with its impossible requirements.
There was a huge ammunition tender put out by army to buy all kinds of rounds worth a few billion dollars. It was an open tender. 11 private companies put bids for it. It was cancelled a few months back. Guess why ?
Difference between OFB and pvt player screw giri is that one work for govt other work for dalal's with vested interest.
i never seen you crying about debt ridden pvt sector which is asking for govt bailout and loan moratorium one day after another. while sitting on huge pile of cash.
What has pvt sector build so far on there own ? Where is the R&D ? There is none period.
Don't go on with alpha defence and tonbo imaging , none of there tech is Indian in origin.
Army won't buy fantasy castle. dalal's can try hard though.
Kickbacks in nothing but horse s**t. Here's a thing Buddy baba or kaka kalani or adani can claim whatever they want , in the end you have to deliver a product which is totally indian. If screw giri all they can do than sorry contract will go to state or govt enterprise or the main supplier abroad directly.
What about l&t and the k9 thunder deal ?
They delivered the order way before schedule then we have hvf Avadi which couldn't even finish the initial order of t-90s. You expect me to take the PSU's seriously after that.