AUKUS : US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China

babablacksheep said:
In a pacific war for taiwan.
US also doesn't have any battle experience on the kind of warfare that will take place.
They do have More training experience.
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Exactly. And they don't have experience in defending either. They just invade weaker states / rogue groups while deploying armada of disproportionate assets.

They don't have any offensive advantage over China. So, it's unlikely they can effectively pre-emptive any Chinese strikes. That leaves a big conundrum for USN and USAF. After all, Aircraft carrier with long logistical demand can't compete with inland logistics chain.

There only real chance at countering China is through India. Otherwise, right now china is coming for SCS.. in future it will come for global interests currently controlled by US led order.

What i am perplexed by us.. for decades American political class climaxed at the idea of democratic China and invested political capital there.. now they have India which effectively is Democratic version of China if properly invested in. Both economies also complement each other as does the diversity and geography.
Yet they seem to push for unrealistic actions and stance which only weakens them. Their nurturing, hijacking & handling of Pakistan will probably go down as one of the biggest strategic disaster in history books. In their pursuit of control.. they destroyed pakistan's already shoddy foundation. They seriously don't think that India will become pakistan like substitute for them, do they? Or do they want india to enter into alliance with them while they have worked against Indian interest for major period of history and still do to a large extent. Shows some serious strategic miscalculus at white House. Notwithstanding the trade issue which is clearly not for economic purposes as being proven day by day
 
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Getting back to AUKUS and Australia

Watch this space, Ghost Shark will be delivering production units by the end of the year, and deployed early 26, said to be a world first

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Australia is spending $1.7bn on a fleet of Ghost Shark submarines. What are they?

The extra-large autonomous undersea vehicles (XL-AUV) have a ‘very long range’, can be deployed from warships or launched off the coast
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Australia Spends A$12 Bn On Henderson For AUKUS, Shipyards

Australia has announced a A$12 bn investment to develop the Henderson Defence Precinct for AUKUS and continuous shipbuilding.
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“The Albanese Government will provide $12 billion towards delivering a Defence Precinct at Henderson to deliver continuous naval shipbuilding and AUKUS in Western Australia.

Alongside the Albanese Government’s record investments across shipbuilding and AUKUS in the West, these commitments will support 10,000 direct jobs over the next two decades as well as providing opportunities for small and medium sized businesses across the state.
 
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Warning Australia faces 'looming period of risk' as it awaits nuclear submarines​

15/10/2025 Warning Australia faces 'looming period of risk' as it awaits nuclear submarines. As Australia awaits nuclear-powered submarines, a strategic policy think tank (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) warns we're sitting vulnerable to potential threats.

Australia is set to buy Virginia-class submarines from the United States in the early next decade, before a class of nuclear vessels is co-designed with the United Kingdom as part of an AUKUS agreement. The submarine pact has attracted fierce criticism for its multi-billion-dollar price tag and questions over whether the US would hold its end of the bargain, with production timelines slipping and the Trump administration interrogating the contracts.

In a bleak report published on Wednesday, the institute raised concerns about Australian "deterrence gaps" that would leave it without enough firepower to counter potential adversaries like China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. The medium-term acquisition of AUKUS submarines is irrelevant to the short-term problems facing Australia over the next few years, its report warned.
"That's because the first AUKUS submarines — US Virginia-class boats — won't be delivered until 2032, while the purpose-built SSN-AUKUS won't arrive until the early 2040s," the institute said. "We can't, in effect, solve a 2027 deterrence problem with a 2032 deterrent capability."
 
Your ASPI is just clickbait now
2032 for the nuke sub or "early" 2030's for the French sub, if we went ahead, The French date was more at risk of slipping, So the secondhand USN is the safer timeline bet
UK and US are forward deploying their nukes to cover the near term gap,


Since you only read the headlines and spam, From your link and a bit more of what is going on with AUKUS, AU and UK is a part of the US supply line

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Defence Minister Richard Marles told reporters in Canberra on Tuesday that Australia was contributing to a Pentagon review of AUKUS and had "a sense of when this will conclude", without disclosing the timing.

Australia is shifting to a model of defence co-development and co-production with the United States, including for the manufacture of guided weapons, and Albanese would highlight this to Trump, Conroy said. (because Trump is an idiot and doesn't know what AUKUS is)

Australia expects to manufacture up to 4,000 Lockheed Martin guided missiles annually from a new factory to begin production by the end of the year, including supplying U.S. defence needs, he said in a television interview with Sky News Australia.
Australia is also working with the United States and Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab to develop a longer range Precision Strike Missile reaching "in excess of a thousand kilometres", he added.

"This is one example of us shifting to a co-design, co-development, co-production, co-sustainment model where we work in partnership with the United States and deepen the industrial base of both countries," he said.
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An accurate depiction of what the SSN-AUKUS will look like, as displayed by Rolls-Royce with a London bus alongside to give scale. (Credit: Gordon Arthur)

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Industry leaders unite to deliver combat system capability for SSN-AUKUS - Naval News

Four major Defence companies have proposed the establishment of an AUKUS Combat Systems Collaborative Team in contemplation of a potential role for Australia’s SSN-AUKUS conventionally armed nuclear-powered submarines, under a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed.
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Parthu said:
An accurate depiction of what the SSN-AUKUS will look like, as displayed by Rolls-Royce with a London bus alongside to give scale. (Credit: Gordon Arthur)

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Industry leaders unite to deliver combat system capability for SSN-AUKUS - Naval News

Four major Defence companies have proposed the establishment of an AUKUS Combat Systems Collaborative Team in contemplation of a potential role for Australia’s SSN-AUKUS conventionally armed nuclear-powered submarines, under a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed.
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Is it me or does the sub look way too similar to the French Suffren class?
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Is it me or does the sub look way too similar to the French Suffren class?
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You're not wrong - it does look very similar. Not just the shape of the sail/conning tower but the placement of the dive planes, shape & placement of the X-rudder...it all bears a very stark resemblance.

The bow does look different though. The back of the sail is also somewhat less rakish.
 
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These are just artist inspired from RR, Even tha maker BAE has several different mockups on their site, The actual design is a long way from being finished
Look at the angled hull lines of the Astute, Which the Germans are also doing, The only thing I'm certain of, is that the outer hull will be angular for least echo return, , it won't be round, giving an echo return from any side angle
 
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These are just artist inspired from RR, Even tha maker BAE has several different mockups on their site, The actual design is a long way from being finished
Look at the angled hull lines of the Astute, Which the Germans are also doing, The only thing I'm certain of, is that the outer hull will be angular for least echo return, , it won't be round, giving an echo return from any side angle
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I'd imagine that a semi-angular design (with only certain segments being angular, like the bow on Astute) may be preferred.

A completely angular shell may not be worth the trade-off for an SSN due to negative effects on hydrodynamics. It works for a diesel boat like the 212CD as they'd spend most of their time being ambush predators along island chains or chokepoints than being hunter-killers in the deep sea. In these somewhat more littoral environments, you'd expect to face a lot more active sonar so the hydrodynamic tradeoff for an angular hull may be worth it.

An SSN faces active sonar much less frequently.
 
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