Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan
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I think Aesa equipped Rafale brought them sleepless nights.. Where india could do many Balakote strikes unhindered.
Coupled with Air cooled Aesa of JF17 which must have dismal performance forced them to buy J10c.
OTOH Chinese may have wanted us to spread out Rafale heat. Even though it is small force.
Coupled with Air cooled Aesa of JF17 which must have dismal performance forced them to buy J10c.
OTOH Chinese may have wanted us to spread out Rafale heat. Even though it is small force.
I am convinced Su 30 mki & Mig 29 are going to be upgraded in house.
Brick by brick we are changing them indigenously.
No, They don't have hard cash to buy new jets ...these J10 C may be donated by China, If they have the cash they can go for Eurofighter Typhoon, Swedish Gripen
If JF 17 can fire PL15... I don't see there is any advantage of inducting J10 C
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I just hope MWF to get ready early and eat into mk1A numbers, we ll have detailed answers to J10 across both the borders.
While in reality will have to be contended defending with Mk1A.
Uttam 2 equipped Su30 mki will regain its Mini Awac status which Chinese may be fielding now. I guess we are about 10 years behind Chinese .
S400 and Rafale are enough to give sleepless nights to enemies, I don't see J10 C will create any air dominance in this region... F16 block 70 would have given a serious headache to us
73 MK1A will be game changer. IAF is looking at getting 300+ hours from each airframe a year. 4 squadrons close to western borders flying such intense CAP and QRA will be extremely difficult for PAF to match.
I assume the block 3's can't really use the pl-15's and is too heavy for bandar to handle. With j-10 they get the pl-15's and a plane with a respectable aesa. The blk 3's aesa also seems to be quite questionable in performance.
MKI definitely. Most of the avionics for the MLU were already Indian, and now we've learnt that even the radar will be Indian.
As for Mig-29, not sure about the AF version but the IN version will also get the Uttam. Both Mig-29s already have an Indian EW suite.
Mk1A is plenty enough for its role.
The mini-AWACS thing is exaggerated quite a bit. But it can do that today also.
I will wait till the ASTRA Mk2 or ASTRA MK3 is integrated into the system to call it a game-changer and also BrahMos NG
I don't think 300 hours is realistic. The jet is only made for 40-minute sorties. At best, tanks can push it to an hour, but that's taxing on the airframe.
Much more important that hours is the sortie rate. As long as the LCAs get 240 sorties a year, that's more than enough. That's nearly 30000 sorties a year for the fleet of 123 jets.
Based on advertised specs, the radar cannot use the full capabilities of the missile, except the MKI. But what's equally important is kinematics. A jet needs to be faster in acceleration, roll, turns and climb for BVR. Obviously the JF-17's gonna fall short. The upgrade to J-10C somewhat makes up for the difference, even if the J-10C also ends up using the same radar.
DASH and Python 5 is the game changer. Very long range BVR will not be a game changer as many people think. PAF pilots will dare not enter in close combat with LCA having this combo. That's important. They will try to fire missiles from far off and run away. With superior SPS, evading them would not be a big problem.I will wait till the ASTRA Mk2 or ASTRA MK3 is integrated into the system to call it a game-changer and also BrahMos NG
Su30 have been pushed to 180-200 hours. 300 hours from MK1A with single engine, simplified LRU maintenance should enable the aircraft maintain high rates of availability for CAP/QRA roles.
The standard flying time for the MKI is 2 hours. That's not the case for LCA.
A pilot already flies 2 sorties a day on flying days. If you ask them to do 3 sorties, you will send them to an early grave.
10,000+ hours over 40 years of life is the minimum we should expect.
By the time we get the first Mk1A squadron ready we would have a more accurate idea.
If we just work with Russia to modify some systems on the existing PESA, the computing will improve. The radar had growth potential. Working with 6 different targets simultaneously. So if the AESA is delayed, hopefully the MKIs are atleast sent for MLU where they get the DARE EW system and other subsystem if available.
The standard for SE jets is 160 hours per year. Our M2000s also fly at this rate. That's 40 minutes per sortie on average. So 123 LCAs can do 19680 hours a year.
For MKI it's 240 hours. That's 1 hour per sortie.
All jets need to do 240 sorties a year.