Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan

AbRaj said:
For PAF and their Armed Forces in general, User Specific customisations are now a luxury they don’t need nor can afford, as barring few things here and there,all their weapons are going to be Chinese anyway in coming decades. So integration will be seamless and no different than any other PLAAF unit. All they have to do it is translate the user manuals from Chinese to Urdu or English language or even adapting mandarin as an official military language (similar to how Urdu/Farsi language used to be).
For us it will be a big relief in peace time (as same resources will be sufficient to counter both front) and a bigger headache during war (rapid replenishment of war attrition owing to large industrial capacity of Chinese)
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And tactically it’s in Pakees interest to load themselves/get hired by the more resourceful Chinese against a common enemy. Historically It’s how Punjabis and Pashtuns used to volunteer themselves to invade the richer Southern Indian subcontinent. All the invaders used to defeat local Punjabi and Pashtun Sardars and hire their military to invade further into South
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It makes sense for PAF to become technologically subordinate to the PLAAF, no different from US allies with US forces.

Leasing is another way of saying the Chinese have paid for the jets. It's nothing surprising that the Chinese are now paying for the modernisation and operation of the Pak military.
 
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Paro said:
Funny because I just mentioned this few days ago and got my post deleted by a mod because our friendly neighbor had to troll my post which I didn’t respond to anyway.
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I trolled him too and got an infarction by mods. lol
randomradio said:
It makes sense for PAF to become technologically subordinate to the PLAAF, no different from US allies with US forces.

Leasing is another way of saying the Chinese have paid for the jets. It's nothing surprising that the Chinese are now paying for the modernisation and operation of the Pak military.
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Exactly. Not much different from NATO countries or Australia and Israel.


What essentially they have done is to replace US to China as a donor or superordinate and continue to reap benefits from it and to do what they have been doing since birth ie fight with India.
It’s tactical smartness on their part. Although I don’t know what will be the after effects of something like what they’ve done with US in Afghanistan by double gaming and blackmailing. As unlike US, CPC is just across the Border for eternity and is a authoritative single party regime. US just packed it’s bag and left like a good boy.

One may launch at it but India is the best asset Pakees have since it’s existence and enmity with India is essential for its existence, not just ideologically.
They are milking it since 1947 and continue to live in survival mode.
As one wise Pakistani man with Great amount of Pakistanism once said that every small country should learn from Pakistan how to keep surviving against a powerful enemy state. And I agree with him.
 
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AbRaj said:
I trolled him too and got an infarction by mods. lol

Exactly. Not much different from NATO countries or Australia and Israel.


What essentially they have done is to replace US to China as a donor or superordinate and continue to reap benefits from it and to do what they have been doing since birth ie fight with India.
It’s tactical smartness on their part. Although I don’t know what will be the after effects of something like what they’ve done with US in Afghanistan by double gaming and blackmailing. As unlike US, CPC is just across the Border for eternity and is a authoritative single party regime. US just packed it’s bag and left like a good boy.

One may launch at it but India is the best asset Pakees have since it’s existence and enmity with India is essential for its existence, not just ideologically.
They are milking it since 1947 and continue to live in survival mode.
As one wise Pakistani man with Great amount of Pakistanism once said that every small country should learn from Pakistan how to keep surviving against a powerful enemy state. And I agree with him.
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Every few years, the cost of maintaining Pakistan increases. And to make things worse, religion is making the average Pakistani dumber by the day.

Just a few years ago, they only needed 2B or so to survive, now they need 6-7B or so. In a few more years, they will cross into the double digits. And so on. Even their handlers will get tired.

Pakistan survives because India is weak and docile. The latter being the main ingredient in supporting Pakistan's success.
 
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randomradio said:
Every few years, the cost of maintaining Pakistan increases. And to make things worse, religion is making the average Pakistani dumber by the day.

Just a few years ago, they only needed 2B or so to survive, now they need 6-7B or so. In a few more years, they will cross into the double digits. And so on. Even their handlers will get tired.

Pakistan survives because India is weak and docile. The latter being the main ingredient in supporting Pakistan's success.
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Can't wait to See the day when this tukdo me survive karne waala Nation gets broken.
 
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AbRaj said:
I trolled him too and got an infarction by mods. lol

Exactly. Not much different from NATO countries or Australia and Israel.


What essentially they have done is to replace US to China as a donor or superordinate and continue to reap benefits from it and to do what they have been doing since birth ie fight with India.
It’s tactical smartness on their part. Although I don’t know what will be the after effects of something like what they’ve done with US in Afghanistan by double gaming and blackmailing. As unlike US, CPC is just across the Border for eternity and is a authoritative single party regime. US just packed it’s bag and left like a good boy.

One may launch at it but India is the best asset Pakees have since it’s existence and enmity with India is essential for its existence, not just ideologically.
They are milking it since 1947 and continue to live in survival mode.
As one wise Pakistani man with Great amount of Pakistanism once said that every small country should learn from Pakistan how to keep surviving against a powerful enemy state. And I agree with him.
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Let them land first. This whole thing could be a pr stunt. Remember the news is not through paf or ispr but a fat politician who talked about nukes when he was a railway minister.
 
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randomradio said:
Yep. Although a PESA radar lacks the versatility of an AESA radar, the Bars is still a hybrid PESA and it functions like an AESA when it works in just one mode. The Derby ER will plug the gap sometime next year followed by the Astra Mk2 the following year. Currently, the PL-15 gives them a significant advantage over the R-27/77. The IAF wasted a bit too much time waiting for the Europeans to decide on the Meteor export.
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The PESA antenna structure of N011M radar is featured in the design of the receiving system. The receiving system adopts the AESA-like design of each unit module with its own LNA low noise amplifier, which avoids the disadvantage of the traditional PESA receiving system losing 5~ 6dB higher than the AESA. But this launch system is still PESA's passive structure,
It is possible that Russia did not develop a full AESA design because of the cost.
 
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The PESA antenna structure of N011M radar is featured in the design of the receiving system. The receiving system adopts the AESA-like design of each unit module with its own LNA low noise amplifier, which avoids the disadvantage of the traditional PESA receiving system losing 5~ 6dB higher than the AESA. But this launch system is still PESA's passive structure,
It is possible that Russia did not develop a full AESA design because of the cost.
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They didn't get an AESA early because they didn't start its development as early as US, France, or China did. Their AESA focus was on next gen stuff, like Su-57, S-500 etc.
 
Ankit Kumar said:
Will you fly a single engine version of Mig29 or a single engine version of Su30MKI?

If not, then no need of worry.

The 17 F16 Block 52 are still the only thing in their full arsenal we need to worry about.
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You are wrong , J 10 is as good as Block 52

Their philosophy is simple

Their fighters must be airborne at all times to fire BVR AAMs to foil every IAF attack

That is what JF 17 will also do

J 10 has more loiter time

J 10 is what we are aiming with MK 2 Tejas

WS 10 engine might be new , but it will improve

The only way to defeat them is to
Have a capability called
FIRST Look -- First Shoot -- First Kill

That is a High number of RVV BD or ASTRA missiles by Su 30 and which they will try to evade by Onboard EW Jammers

Then move fast for WVR kill

36 Rafales are Reserved for China
 
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