Chinese Missile Systems : Discussions

[LX1111]

@LX1111 dear comrade from the east you said the glorious air defence of the invincible Peoples Republic could stop even Agni 5 but the mighty HQ9 can't even handle subsonic cruise missiles? What does that say about your other air defence systems?

Pakistan doesn't have the HQ-19 missile, nor does it have the HQ-29 or HQ-26 missiles.
Pakistan only has the HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles. There is no evidence to suggest whether these missiles provide protection for Indian attacks on Pakistani targets and other areas.
Unless you can, like Russia or Ukraine, use ballistic missiles to directly destroy the air defense system and then use drones to capture the footage. Otherwise, all of this is just empty talk.

 

[RationalGuy]

Pakistan doesn't have the HQ-19 missile, nor does it have the HQ-29 or HQ-26 missiles.
Pakistan only has the HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles. There is no evidence to suggest whether these missiles provide protection for Indian attacks on Pakistani targets and other areas.
Unless you can, like Russia or Ukraine, use ballistic missiles to directly destroy the air defense system and then use drones to capture the footage. Otherwise, all of this is just empty talk.

With all due respect, what would the HQ9 and HQ16 be protecting if not the critical airbases (some of which were literally
in the capital region) which were struck by Indian missiles? Basically you are either saying your air defence systems fails against even subsonic cruise missiles or that your ally considers them so precious it doesn't even use it when needed. Either of them is not a good look.

United States has the most comprehensive BMD capability with much more sophisticated BMD detection capabilities both in space land and sea when compared to China. AFAIK none of the Chinese systems are close to US GMD deployed in Alaska and California. Im not even sure if China has deployed ship based BMD with similar capability as Aegis (even if they do its impossible it can intercept Agni as Agni will fly over land before striking its targets in China or Pakistan in a supposed nuclear conflict). And even then according to the US estimates they would have a hard time intercepting MIRV with decoys. US managed to deploy only around 80 GMD due to high cost. Do you honestly believe your copy of PAC and THAAD can stop multiple MIRV with decoys? If yes then I truly admire the confidence of the Chinese.

 

[LX1111]

With all due respect, what would the HQ9 and HQ16 be protecting if not the critical airbases (some of which were literally
in the capital region) which were struck by Indian missiles? Basically you are either saying your air defence systems fails against even subsonic cruise missiles or that your ally considers them so precious it doesn't even use it when needed. Either of them is not a good look.

United States has the most comprehensive BMD capability with much more sophisticated BMD detection capabilities both in space land and sea when compared to China. AFAIK none of the Chinese systems are close to US GMD deployed in Alaska and California. Im not even sure if China has deployed ship based BMD with similar capability as Aegis (even if they do its impossible it can intercept Agni as Agni will fly over land before striking its targets in China or Pakistan in a supposed nuclear conflict). And even then according to the US estimates they would have a hard time intercepting MIRV with decoys. US managed to deploy only around 80 GMD due to high cost. Do you honestly believe your copy of PAC and THAAD can stop multiple MIRV with decoys? If yes then I truly admire the confidence of the Chinese.

If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like Ukraine did with the S-400 missiles. I think all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do this.

 

[RationalGuy]

Do you know how many HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles are there in Pakistan? Do you know how many important ones are there that we need for air defense protection?
Unfortunately, Pakistan is a poor country.There isn't enough money to buy enough anti-aircraft missiles.
If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like they did with the S-400 missiles, I believe all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do so.

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

 

[LX1111]

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/372307693_lanjiegaokongmubiaodezhongjufangkongdaodanzongtisheji

This is the paper. Poor child, read it yourself.

 

[Rajput Lion]

If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like Ukraine did with the S-400 missiles. I think all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do this.

Idiot, there are multiple pics/videos of BrahMos-A destroying Pakistani airbases with impunity and your air-defence could do jack to stop 'em. Face it, your HQ-9/16 has been humiliated by IAF. .

On the other hand, the whole world saw how Indian IADS literally destroyed over 95% drones, missiles and even jets that Pak dared to send into our airspace.

We recovered your whole PL-15 intact. This is very bad news for you, trust me

 

[South block]

What a ridiculous kid. When I was on this forum arguing with others about the specific performance of each part of the fighter jet, and citing numerous papers to support my claims, you were probably still learning to read, weren't you? What a stupid kid.

*censored* this is the result of pathetic performance of your AD systems.... We just bombed 11 of Porkee main Airforce bases up in flames....Few of them were defended by your mighty HQ AD systems & it failed spectacularly to do anything

 

[LX1111]

Idiot, there are multiple pics/videos of BrahMos-A destroying Pakistani airbases with impunity and your air-defence could do jack to stop 'em. Face it, your HQ-9/16 has been humiliated by IAF. .

On the other hand, the whole world saw how Indian IADS literally destroyed over 95% drones, missiles and even jets that Pak dared to send into our airspace.

We recovered your whole PL-15 intact. This is very bad news for you, trust me

It seems that you are supporting that side. At least on most Western forums and Chinese forums. We have seen that Pakistan destroyed the warehouse of the BrahMos missile and some oil depots at the airports. Pakistan claimed that it used the cm400ak missile to destroy the S400 position, and more subsequent videos are needed to provide more evidence. But as the administrator said, this is an Indian forum, and we won't see any unfavorable news for India. So. Others can only agree with what you said.

*censored* this is the result of pathetic performance of your AD systems.... We just bombed 11 of Porkee main Airforce bases up in flames....Few of them were defended by your mighty HQ AD systems & it failed spectacularly to do anything

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Of course, a large number of photos can be released to prove that the Indian attack has achieved some results, even though most of these photos show that the attack was carried out on some useless civilian facilities.

I could also post a bunch of photos showing that Indian air force bases and military warehouses were attacked by Pakistan. Unfortunately, this is an Indian forum and I need to abide by the rule that no information detrimental to India can be posted here.


So I agree with what you said.

 

[South block]

It seems that you are supporting that side. At least on most Western forums and Chinese forums. We have seen that Pakistan destroyed the warehouse of the BrahMos missile and some oil depots at the airports. Pakistan claimed that it used the cm400ak missile to destroy the S400 position, and more subsequent videos are needed to provide more evidence. But as the administrator said, this is an Indian forum, and we won't see any unfavorable news for India. So. Others can only agree with what you said.

Of course, a large number of photos can be released to prove that the Indian attack has achieved some results, even though most of these photos show that the attack was carried out on some useless civilian facilities.

I could also post a bunch of photos showing that Indian air force bases and military warehouses were attacked by Pakistan. Unfortunately, this is an Indian forum and I need to abide by the rule that no information detrimental to India can be posted here.


So I agree with what you said.

You are a guarantee Porkee.... No Chinese are this much obsessed with India specially women except the one's whose hearts have been broken by Indian man. Who hurt you ? I know who & what hurted Pakistani Airbases protected by HQ-9 last night though

 

[RationalGuy]

Idiot, there are multiple pics/videos of BrahMos-A destroying Pakistani airbases with impunity and your air-defence could do jack to stop 'em. Face it, your HQ-9/16 has been humiliated by IAF. .

On the other hand, the whole world saw how Indian IADS literally destroyed over 95% drones, missiles and even jets that Pak dared to send into our airspace.

We recovered your whole PL-15 intact. This is very bad news for you, trust me

Dear comrade sent me a paper to read which I opened hoping it contained some details about a Chinese equivalent to the American GMD. Instead what i found:



Also it seems the Chinese are using Matlab for their missile designs. I must say the American sitting at Langley must be having the time of his life getting data on Chinese missile defence design and methodology lol



@LX1111 do you even know what American GMD system is in the first place? Are you aware of its limits and successes and its sophistication? Because it seems you think Agni 5 is an "early warning aircraft". If so I'm impressed we made an early warning aircraft capable of travelling and maneuvering at mach 25 and launching decoys. @Rajput Lion it seems we have successfully made a hypersonic early warning aircraft according to our Chinese friend!

 

[RationalGuy]

It seems that you are supporting that side. At least on most Western forums and Chinese forums. We have seen that Pakistan destroyed the warehouse of the BrahMos missile and some oil depots at the airports. Pakistan claimed that it used the cm400ak missile to destroy the S400 position, and more subsequent videos are needed to provide more evidence. But as the administrator said, this is an Indian forum, and we won't see any unfavorable news for India. So. Others can only agree with what you said.

Of course, a large number of photos can be released to prove that the Indian attack has achieved some results, even though most of these photos show that the attack was carried out on some useless civilian facilities.

I could also post a bunch of photos showing that Indian air force bases and military warehouses were attacked by Pakistan. Unfortunately, this is an Indian forum and I need to abide by the rule that no information detrimental to India can be posted here.


So I agree with what you said.

Dear comrade, unless your vision is affected im sure you can see the multitude of people in this very forum including me who are admitting the capability of PL15 and J10C. Unfortunately for you and fortunately for us your knowledge on air defence systems seems to be quite poor (no offende intended). Your HQ9 couldn't intercept any missiles we launched at Pakistan including the one which hit bases in their very capital. An inability of Chinese systems to intercept subsonic cruise missiles yet we are to believe the glorious Peoples Republic can intercept mach 25 MIRV projectiles along with decoys coming in the hundreds if not thousands.

One of the most capable systems which can intercept ICBM in midcourse stage itself rather than during terminal phase is the American GMD but you sent me a paper which designed a missile for early warning aircraft (paper made no mention of American GMD as a baseline comparison or even as a reference). You didn't even elaborate whether your much vaunted HQ26 is comparable to US GMD. I hope you realize how ridiculous your own logic is sounding in this forum?

 

[randomradio]

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This is a photo of the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 after it was shot down by a Buk missile. You can't see any damage to the wheat field on the ground either. This is because the passenger plane disintegrated in the air, and what appeared on the ground were just the debris. I think the situation of the Rafale fighter jet is the same.

That's airfoil, it would have glided down. The M88 would have dropped down.

 

[randomradio]

Pakistan doesn't have the HQ-19 missile, nor does it have the HQ-29 or HQ-26 missiles.
Pakistan only has the HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles. There is no evidence to suggest whether these missiles provide protection for Indian attacks on Pakistani targets and other areas.
Unless you can, like Russia or Ukraine, use ballistic missiles to directly destroy the air defense system and then use drones to capture the footage. Otherwise, all of this is just empty talk.

HQ-19 is BMD. HQ-26 is the naval version of HQ-19. HQ-29 is also BMD.

HQ-9 is PLAAF's main SAM against aerodynamic targets. As I said before, Chinese SAMs are old, they can't intercept anything worthwhile. PLAAF need all new designs like the Barak 8.

 

[randomradio]

If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like Ukraine did with the S-400 missiles. I think all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do this.

It will come.

The IAF reported successful attacks in all major air bases, almost all covered by Chinese SAMs.

 

[randomradio]

I could also post a bunch of photos showing that Indian air force bases and military warehouses were attacked by Pakistan. Unfortunately, this is an Indian forum and I need to abide by the rule that no information detrimental to India can be posted here.

That's not what he meant. He didn't want us to spam the main thread with unverified information.

You are free to post these photos. Better yet create a no-discussions thread for what PAF did. There's already one from the Indian side.

 

[Terrence_L]

Give me the latest update on proposed anti ship varient of df17.

I am just a starter....,ummmm, why don't you tell me more about df17? haha

 

[RationalGuy]

I am just a starter....,ummmm, why don't you tell me more about df17? haha

DF17 is the name of the solid booster missile, the name of the actual glider is DF ZF, it can reach speeds past Mach 10 and is quite maneuverable. It started trials in 2014 and entered service with PLARF in 2017. Its likely capable of defeating American THAAD and PAC air defence systems and can strike US bases in Guam. It's anti ship capability remains to be seen.

 

[Shan]

The entire kill chain concept that the PAF and ISPR have been harping about is based on Chinese tactics developed by the PLAAF. The PL-series happen to be an integral part of the same. Here is an article from SCMP that provides certain insights into the entire thing:

China’s air force looks to ‘kill chain’ to help older jets down newer models

Documentary aired by CCTV outlines tactics and tech that could help earlier-generation aircraft prevail over more advanced ones.

www.scmp.com

 

[Shan]

There was some chatter on the Astra thread about the BVR Missile - PL 15. These are its specifications. The missile is already in service with the PAF.

PL - 15 Design Specifications as per publically available data (compiled using Sonnet):

• Length: 399.6 cm (13 ft 1.3 in) for PL-15E variant
• Diameter: 20.3 cm (8.0 in) for PL-15E variant
• Alternative measurements show length of 3996mm and diameter of 203mm

• Mass: 200–230 kg (441–507 lb) for standard PL-15
• PL-15E Export Version: ≤210 kg (463 lb) ,

• Maximum Range:
  • PL-15 (domestic version): Up to 300 kilometers
  • PL-15E (export version): 145 km maximum engagement range ,
  • Some sources indicate PL-15 domestic version may reach 200 kilometers
• Speed: Exceeding Mach 5

• Propulsion: Dual-pulse solid-propellant rocket motor
• Body Design: Conventional cylindrical missile body
• Guidance: Active radar-guided system
• Special Feature: PL-15E variant features folding tail design

• PL-15: Standard domestic Chinese version with longer range
• PL-15E: Export variant with reduced specifications and folding tail configuration

 

[Ashwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956887198349058286