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Pakistan’s ISI is reportedly active in Bangladesh, holding secret meetings and monitoring the India–Bangladesh border. Concerns include potential sleeper cells and terror links. Political shifts in Bangladesh may aid Pakistan’s influence, raising security alert for India.
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Pakistan’s ISI is reportedly active in Bangladesh, holding secret meetings and monitoring the India–Bangladesh border. Concerns include potential sleeper cells and terror links. Political shifts in Bangladesh may aid Pakistan’s influence, raising security alert for India.​

These developments are significant because Pakistan-based agencies have, in the past, used Bangladeshi territory for activities targeting India. The latest movements have therefore triggered worry within Indian security circles.
  • An 8-member ISI team arrived in Dhaka on 14 November
  • The team is expected to stay until 25 November
  • The reason for such a long stay remains unclear
  • ISI officials reportedly used rented helicopters to visit sensitive border areas between Bangladesh and India

Choudhury further questioned why foreign intelligence officials were being allowed access to such high-security zones.
 
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"Pakistan will accept defeat only it losses territory" ....The clarity is really good ....but Pakistanis being Pakistanis they would run a narrative that the land they lost was always part of India ...hope we are prepared to counter such narrative warfare
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Naah. Not needed. Just take the land. LOL!

Bonus point, take Kartaarpur and Nankan Sahib and leave nothing for doubt. LOL!

Given its Pak-Fakistani, they will claim they donated it. Pffft.

They even claim that they were going to let Bangladesh seaparate on its own. LOL! And they quote Kissinger.
 
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"Pakistan will accept defeat only it losses territory" ....The clarity is really good ....but Pakistanis being Pakistanis they would run a narrative that the land they lost was always part of India ...hope we are prepared to counter such narrative warfare
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Who cares! But political statements are one thing and getting in a war of attrition is another - are we as a country ready to see a high number body bags being sent home to get this done? I don’t think even GoI is ready for such an action.
 
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Who cares! But political statements are one thing and getting in a war of attrition is another - are we as a country ready to see a high number body bags being sent home to get this done? I don’t think even GoI is ready for such an action.
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Exactly. A lot of pro war people might even suddenly go anti war the moment they see body bags. We forget how fickle some Indians can be when it comes to coping with losses. Cough cough the whole bidhwa vilaap over Rafale during Op Sindoor. Same people rn are crying that why are we not going into War. Imagine what will they do the moment we lose men. We are bound to lose men and machine in a full blown war. People need to have strong guts to cope with that. Which a good chunk of Indian don't have.


Although these kind of political statements does boost up the public morale and create a more favourable environment for War. So there's that as well.
 
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Defc0n said:
Well, now it has become repetitive. We now have sufficient evidence and information that designates the attack as what it is - A Terror Attack. We also have sufficient information that implicates Pakistan for the same.

What's more worrying is this --

I shudder to think what is in store for our country men.
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Sudharshan Chakra doesn't seem like an ambitious and hefty goal now, as I thought previously. It's a necessity for India and it's survival.

And the form our chakra takes if definitely way diff than Iron dome or Golden dome. If executed properly and punctually, this could become something else entirely. I am kind of getting sci-fi vibes here. A central AI for defense.
Suddenly I understand why GOI is not averse to local manufacturing unit of foreign companies or BTP consortium.

The manufacturing scale needed for the Chakra will be massive.
 
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Sudharshan Chakra doesn't seem like an ambitious and hefty goal now, as I thought previously. It's a necessity for India and it's survival.

And the form our chakra takes if definitely way diff than Iron dome or Golden dome. If executed properly and punctually, this could become something else entirely. I am kind of getting sci-fi vibes here. A central AI for defense.
Suddenly I understand why GOI is not averse to local manufacturing unit of foreign companies or BTP consortium.

The manufacturing scale needed for the Chakra will be massive.
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That is still a longish term goal no matter how fast you go about it. Stuff being put out now are a thing nightmares are made of. Imagine a situation where these buggers are able to pull off a synchronised Drone and/or VB-IED attack on multiple targets across India. The number of GPS malfunctions have increased massively which tells me that our agencies are actively trying to prevent something. Only question is, how will can they hold off until the inevitable?
 
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That is still a longish term goal no matter how fast you go about it. Stuff being put out now are a thing nightmares are made of. Imagine a situation where these buggers are able to pull off a synchronised Drone and/or VB-IED attack on multiple targets across India. The number of GPS malfunctions have increased massively which tells me that our agencies are actively trying to prevent something. Only question is, how will can they hold off until the inevitable?
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I know. But these issues needed groundwork to be laid 20 years ago. And the things needed to lay that foundation would've needed to be started 30-40 years ago. It's an exponential threat india finds itself in.

Can't do anything about it. One can only hope that we recover the lost ground as fast as possible. We have come a lot further and things started 10 years ago actually started showing results. But still a lot to do.

For now, offense will be our best defense. And if it means hurting some victimhood companies... May it be so. And something will definitely happen. Why blame govt, our common man itself wouldn't wake up untill something really happens and he realises the threat to him. Only after that, will he not stand in the way of govt when it moves to eradicate the terrorists and network inside India. Common woman, common LGBTQ++++++++ , aliens if any, included too.
 
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Defc0n said:
Who cares! But political statements are one thing and getting in a war of attrition is another - are we as a country ready to see a high number body bags being sent home to get this done? I don’t think even GoI is ready for such an action.
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Damned if they do and damned if they dont ....considering how modi/doval operated for the last 10 years they wont fight when the enemy wants them to , they will choose the place, timing which favors us ....when pakistan responded after balaokot we didnt escalate it that time bcoz we did not had Rafale , S400 combo that time( my guess) ...now that we have demonstrated our arirpower and airdefence in opssindoor we have no choice but to humilate this islamic terrorist ASSim munir ....the best way to do that is occupy terrority or take out all the high value target like Hafiz saeed, Massod azhar to send a message to ISI ....i am fairly confident on how our armed forces responded in a very coordinated way in multiple domains like Drone warfare , Air defence system and offensive by IAF and IA on the ground , so tri-services might have war gamed this scenario and i dont think IA ever talked about occupying terrority in the past 10 years ...when they are doing it now it only means there is a go ahead from Modi and IA/IAF/IN is confident of managing the escalation ladder ...
 
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Defc0n said:
Who cares! But political statements are one thing and getting in a war of attrition is another - are we as a country ready to see a high number body bags being sent home to get this done? I don’t think even GoI is ready for such an action.
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The number of body bags are not going to be a problem. I am pretty sure we see way more during Covid and not to mention during daily traffic and train accidents.

I think GoI's own confidence in our forces is going to be a much bigger issue. As far as I know, GoI has not really put its money where its mouth is in funding forces for war. Laldi Chootna, Lado Chootna has been the place where the money went. Not in buying missiles, arty, planes etc. So that means GoI itself does not have confidence in our forces. There is a reason why they fukken reduced Rafale order to mere 36 instead of 128 or so. And that reason is this idiotic idea that we will be able to make fighters in India in any reasonable time frame.

Look at us now, we are neither building planes, nor buying ones. Stuck in a fukken limbo like fukken Trishankoo. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda placed order for 128 Rafales in 2015 or so. Would have recieved almost all of them by now.

Same with R37-M missile. And lord knows meteor.
 
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The number of body bags are not going to be a problem. I am pretty sure we see way more during Covid and not to mention during daily traffic and train accidents.

I think GoI's own confidence in our forces is going to be a much bigger issue. As far as I know, GoI has not really put its money where its mouth is in funding forces for war. Laldi Chootna, Lado Chootna has been the place where the money went. Not in buying missiles, arty, planes etc. So that means GoI itself does not have confidence in our forces. There is a reason why they fukken reduced Rafale order to mere 36 instead of 128 or so. And that reason is this idiotic idea that we will be able to make fighters in India in any reasonable time frame.

Look at us now, we are neither building planes, nor buying ones. Stuck in a fukken limbo like fukken Trishankoo. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda placed order for 128 Rafales in 2015 or so. Would have recieved almost all of them by now.

Same with R37-M missile. And lord knows meteor.
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There are 180 Tejas on order.
100+ Rafales would have bankrupted the IAF and left next to no money for procuring more refuellers, AEW&C and other force multipliers.
 
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There are 180 Tejas on order.
100+ Rafales would have bankrupted the IAF and left next to no money for procuring more refuellers, AEW&C and other force multipliers.
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Also 100+ Rafales had to be manufactured here with necessary indigenisation for it to be even of any use to us. Which the French weren't ready to offer yet. Remember how IAF had to scrape for second hand mirage airframes and spare parts to maintain our mirages. GoI probably don't want to end up in a situation like that again.
 
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noksss said:
Damned if they do and damned if they dont ....considering how modi/doval operated for the last 10 years they wont fight when the enemy wants them to , they will choose the place, timing which favors us ....when pakistan responded after balaokot we didnt escalate it that time bcoz we did not had Rafale , S400 combo that time( my guess) ...now that we have demonstrated our arirpower and airdefence in opssindoor we have no choice but to humilate this islamic terrorist ASSim munir ....the best way to do that is occupy terrority or take out all the high value target like Hafiz saeed, Massod azhar to send a message to ISI ....i am fairly confident on how our armed forces responded in a very coordinated way in multiple domains like Drone warfare , Air defence system and offensive by IAF and IA on the ground , so tri-services might have war gamed this scenario and i dont think IA ever talked about occupying terrority in the past 10 years ...when they are doing it now it only means there is a go ahead from Modi and IA/IAF/IN is confident of managing the escalation ladder ...
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Never underestimate our people’s ability to cry a river on any given opportunity.
Do you remember how general population and media reacted when Abhinandan went down? Why do you think they tried “We have captured Shivangi Singh” during Sindoor ? They knew that such a news would trigger internal pressure to de-escalate. Do you remember the Twitter trend with the same “Deescalate” ? A toolkit was run with the exact same motivation. Now, whether we will go ahead with kinetic ops is to be seen, let’s see if GoI has the spine to get this done.

The “we didn’t have Rafale + S400” argument doesn’t make sense to me. You fight with what you have, if there was a full blown aggression from Pak / China - assume if Galwan had flared into a proper conflict - would we then have said, “Come back next year dude, we ain’t prepared yet!”

If that was the thinking, they shouldn’t have gone ahead with Balakote strike at all. You never plan military ops on “Hope” that your enemy would not escalate.

Also, if that hope exists, for a military op to be sanctioned, all worst case scenarios need to be evaluated and only when you are satisfied with your capability to deal with the worst is when you get the green light.

Saaho said:
The number of body bags are not going to be a problem. I am pretty sure we see way more during Covid and not to mention during daily traffic and train accidents.

I think GoI's own confidence in our forces is going to be a much bigger issue. As far as I know, GoI has not really put its money where its mouth is in funding forces for war. Laldi Chootna, Lado Chootna has been the place where the money went. Not in buying missiles, arty, planes etc. So that means GoI itself does not have confidence in our forces. There is a reason why they fukken reduced Rafale order to mere 36 instead of 128 or so. And that reason is this idiotic idea that we will be able to make fighters in India in any reasonable time frame.

Look at us now, we are neither building planes, nor buying ones. Stuck in a fukken limbo like fukken Trishankoo. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda placed order for 128 Rafales in 2015 or so. Would have recieved almost all of them by now.

Same with R37-M missile. And lord knows meteor.
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Same point as above - Sindoor had the full chance of becoming a full blown war. If GoI doesn’t have confidence on the tri-services, they wouldn’t have gone ahead with such deep strikes. What matters now is how well we are able to navigate the geopolitical minefield that we are walking through courtesy of Trump and holier than thou - Europe.
 
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Well, GoI has money for Ladli Randi Yojana and Lado Randi Yojna etc while our defence spending as %age of GDP has been falling like a rock.

Its about 1.9% of our GDP. Boost it to 2.5 and you have 24 billion additional dollars. Enough to buy 100 more Rafales.
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Can you please stop with using such slur for beneficiary of such schemes? You can criticise the government for freebie schemes without resorting to insult women right.

Anyways it is not as simple as that as you think. Relationship between GDP growth & Government's annual Budget isn't a linear relationship. Infact most of the centrally funded social service schemes only account for 10-12% of annual budget. Most of the money goes to other Capital expenditure like Railways, Road Infrastructure and operational expenditures.
 
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Same point as above - Sindoor had the full chance of becoming a full blown war. If GoI doesn’t have confidence on the tri-services, they wouldn’t have gone ahead with such deep strikes. What matters now is how well we are able to navigate the geopolitical minefield that we are walking through courtesy of Trump and holier than thou - Europe.
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Actully, both are different things.

GoI was compelled to act and it did bare minimum. It did not attack Pakistan's military. Because it knew that in full fledged war, Indian forces will not be having enough material to fight a war.

Also if GoI had told USA to *censored* itself, US did not have enough time to react. And at worst, US would have to openly support Pakistan with its miliary and that would have undermined its own interests. After conflict in which most of Pakistan's top leadership was targetted and killed, US would have negotiated peacefully because its own interests were there in working with India.

GoI chickened out becuse it had very little confidence in its forces due to its own decades of neglect. Its incompetence not pragmatic geopolitics or diplomacy.
 
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Also 100+ Rafales had to be manufactured here with necessary indigenisation for it to be even of any use to us. Which the French weren't ready to offer yet. Remember how IAF had to scrape for second hand mirage airframes and spare parts to maintain our mirages. GoI probably don't want to end up in a situation like that again.
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No, Rafale india specific changes was a part of the deal with France even for 36 we bought. Actually that was the reason why the price per plane was so high. We were paying for India specific changes and a lot of fixed setup costs.
 
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