Just one shot and the nation goes crazy imagine if the cop did this.....
This is how cops do it in Murrrca
This is how cops do it in Murrrca
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This reply may not be exactly related to the topic of the thread, but still. Firstly, white voters in the US are not a monolith in their conservative leanings.
And as far as Asians are concerned, it would be absurd to expect Asians to join a Trump-supporting crowd in calling for suppressing the blacks or for storming the Capitol based on bogus election conspiracies that have been dismissed with prejudice by Trump-appointed red-leaning courts and justices up and down the nation (he had 64 lawsuits, he lost every single one of them). Especially given the fact that Asian Americans lean liberal/Democratic by a very wide margin. And that is true regardless of the age group or gender. Especially more so in the Indian-, Korean- and Filipino-American communities (they are abt. 68%-70% blue). And these communities have either remained or gotten more liberal in successive election cycles.
Not to mention, Hispanic/Latino populations (of both genders) also skew very much to the liberal/Democratic side (that's how they voted in the 2020 elections and the 2022 midterms). Even with all these analyses about Democrats losing Latino votes, they retain a substantial majority overall as well individually in most communities (except the Cuban Americans).
So again, it's certainly weird to expect Asians or Hispanics to ally with conservative whites (cuz blue-leaning whites aren't the ones that'll storm the capitol). And even among white voters, a substantial chunk support liberals/Democrats (in both urban, diverse counties as well as in mostly white counties, if one were to see their voting patterns in the 2020 elections and more so in the 2022 midterms, especially in the so-called blue-wall states in the mid-west).
Yeah, the Democrats didn't steal the elections.
The voter turnout was 66% in 2020 versus 60% in 2016. And most of those 6% voted Democrat 'cause Trump stupidly prevented older Republicans from voting, 'cause most of them were sensible enough to stay at home during the pandemic and not get sucked into Trump's ridiculous anti-mask campaign. The mail-in votes did him in, older Democrats sent in their votes, while Trump persisted on not allowing it. He dug his own grave.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Trump could have easily scored another 10 million votes had be supported mail-ins. He needs to play the game or lose again.
Rural Republicans also struggled with Covid logistics, like late mail deliveries and standing in lines for hours.
Basically Trump lost an uphill battle due to the logistics drawbacks, which he made worse on his own by not supporting mail-ins.
I think (actually know) he will win this time, as long as he gets rid of his court case. The gender BS, BLM protests and feminisation of men has touched a raw nerve amongst most of the populace. Blacks and Latinos are more supportive of Trump today.
Yep, Even if Trump is proven guilty & jailed, I doubt he will lose his fanatics supporters.
I doubt he will win the re-election though.
Trump winning isn't a good news for Ukraine. For India, I am not sure......
The war will likely be over before the elections. The Russians may invade Western Ukraine via Belarus either in the winter or this time next year.
He's good for both the US and India. He is irrelevant to Ukraine during the war, but progress can be made during peace negotiations overseen by him. The Democrats are party to the war after all.
He lost because he handled the COVID crisis ridiculously and alienated many foreign diplomats and heads of state. The rest is just excuses. He will lose again if he runs.
Trump winning isn't good news for anyone.
I'm going to post (taking my time) a series of articles published in the newspaper "Le Monde" (paper version dated 5 July). No link (there's a paywall anyway). Le Monde is said to be centre-left, or errr left-centre, and has some kind of "prestige" in France.
"Basically, I was just out to get some beers..."
Various profiles, rather opportunistic: in the courts, the rioters on trial seem to have little experience."I saw everyone taking stuff, I took stuff." "I got carried away by the crowd, by the euphoria." "I shouldn't have gone into that shop. From Bobigny to Marseille, via Créteil, Strasbourg and Lyon - but not Paris, where a clerks' strike forced the postponement of cases - the immediate appearances held on Monday 3 July, devoted to the riots and looting of the previous days, were a parade of opportunists. In the dock, we didn't so much see the rioters, those violent and agile "front lines", as the gleaners, the grabbers, those who said they were content to put an arm through the broken windows, or to pick up what the thieves had dropped in their flight.
In Marseilles, Jérôme, 27, who is about to take over his father's business, was given two pairs of jeans and was put on trial alongside Merouane and Kamel, two undocumented Algerians who work illegally in the markets. The three are on trial for handling stolen goods when the Hugo Boss shop was looted. Jérôme apologises for his "misplaced curiosity", which led him to "go and watch the hubbub". "They dropped two pairs of jeans and I picked them up. I'll bite my fingers off for the rest of my life. Prison's no place for me", he lamented after the sentence of twelve months, eight of which were suspended. He clasped his hands together and wept when the sentence was handed down: a year's imprisonment but suspended for him and his two cellmates.
"I don't know what came over me".
There were hardly any girls among the defendants. Many with clean records. A lot of young adults, often living with their parents. Bakers, a fast-food employee, a temporary worker in the construction industry, a VTC driver, a musician, unemployed people; the son of an African embassy counsellor on the verge of breaking up with his family, illegal immigrants. In Marseille, Michel was stopped outside a supermarket in the 3rd arrondissement, his arms full of food: "I took some peaches and apricots because I haven't eaten fruit for a year. Also in Marseille, a homeless man was arrested with 246 bars of chocolate on rue de la République.
In Strasbourg, Yannis, 19, unemployed despite a vocational training certificate in agriculture, was caught breaking into the Lacoste shop at 4am. He wasn't going to steal, he insists, but to seek shelter. His violent father threw him out when he came of age, he refused to be housed by his mother on the RSA, he usually sleeps under a bridge and his mattress was soaked. The chairman is incredulous: "After a day of looting in the town, you think it's a good idea to go and sleep in a shop that's been ransacked? The boy shrugs: "It was like doing urbex [urban exploration in derelict areas]... Anyway, there was nothing to steal, nothing in my size, and then there were only girls' jogging suits. I'm not going to wear a girl's jogging suit. The court dropped the theft charge, and he was given a four-month suspended sentence for insulting and resisting the police.
In Créteil, Mohamed, 35, an undocumented butcher's helper who arrived from Algeria in 2017, with a clean record, recounts his evening. "Basically, I was just out for a few beers". On his way home, he saw a lorry with broken windows, and next to it, on the ground, a flaming T-shirt. "I was so drunk, I put the T-shirt in the lorry. The fire started very quickly. "But why did you do that?" insisted the chairman. "I don't know what came over me, I wasn't out doing anything stupid. He repeated his "apologies to everyone". Six months in prison.
In a circular issued on Friday 30 June, the Minister of Justice, Eric Dupond-Moretti, called for a "rapid, firm and systematic" judicial response to the riots. Against this exceptional backdrop in Marseille, the public prosecutor called on the court to "stop the spiral". In response, the president herself made no secret of her intention to send out a message: "In the event of guilt, the penalties will be individualised, but taking into account the exemplary dimension.
Tensions during the hearings
Defendants who asked for a few weeks to prepare their defence were very often remanded in custody, and judges did not hesitate to hand out prison sentences with a committal order - immediate detention - particularly to those responsible for attacks on law enforcement officers.
In Strasbourg, for throwing a tear gas grenade at police officers, Adrien, aged 18, received a year's imprisonment, of which four months were suspended. In Créteil, Aboudramane, 19, in his second year of a BTS in electricity and with no criminal record, repeated that, contrary to what he had been accused of, he had not fired a firework at a police officer or even taken part in the riots. The Snapchat messages in his phone asking him to meet "at Aldi at 1am", or sharing videos of the violence? He is simply part of "the town's group" on the social network, he insists. Fifteen months' imprisonment with immediate detention. Eighteen months for Jordan, aged 28, who was arrested near Lyon for firing pyrotechnic rockets at the gendarmes who had just given him a ticket for disturbing the peace.
"People want us to stop putting France to fire and brimstone", said the prosecutor in Lyon. A defence lawyer told the judges that their decisions were "not intended to respond to a political context", while in Strasbourg, the defence urged the court not to act as a "hostage to public opinion waiting for a response". In Marseille, the court was asked "not to forget the age" of the defendants, nor their "immaturity".
A certain amount of tension sometimes crept into the courtrooms, which were packed with relatives who had come to offer their support. In Bobigny, the presiding judge threatened to close the court after the public applauded the release of three young men accused of stealing alcohol and money from a shop in Aubervilliers (Seine-Saint-Denis) on the grounds of a procedural error.
In Marseilles, the lawyer for the Aix-Marseille-Provence metropolitan authority sparked anger when he referred to the €250,000 bill for cleaning up the streets: "We're going to have to pay for this out of the public purse". An audience member shouted: "You're *censored*ing murderers! The auditorium had to be evacuated by the police, who were called in to help, amid an indescribable hubbub. Earlier, a woman had stood up in the audience in the middle of the closing arguments. "There's a child who died, you have to put it in context!" she had shouted at the prosecutor. A reference to Nahel - a rarity in rioter trials these days. The woman was ejected from the courtroom. /deeplend
He won't. In 2017 people thought he was someone new and fresh with ideas, now he's proved himself to be an idiot.
Is that why polls in swing states favour Trump more than Biden?
This is why Trump's gaining more voters.
Trump vows to 'stop' gender-affirming care for minors if re-elected president
Trump said he would also push schools to “promote positive education about the nuclear family” and “the roles of mothers and fathers."
www.nbcnews.com
He is fighting against child genetic mutilation being done without parents' approval, so parents are in support of that.
UGH!!!
I derailed the thread by bringing up politics/elections on what would likely cause the white/conservative (of all races btw) to rise up here in the US and for that... me so sorry.
Having said that wht you see in France would never happen here in the US because of the 2nd amendment. This would not be a story in France if it were the ghettos where these rioters/looters are from were burning. Their media much like the US would try to make it a huge deal and blame whitey but the French natives wouldn't give a fck.
I derailed the thread by bringing up politics/elections on what would likely cause the white/conservative (of all races btw) to rise up here in the US and for that... me so sorry.
Having said that wht you see in France would never happen here in the US because of the 2nd amendment. This would not be a story in France if it were the ghettos where these rioters/looters are from were burning. Their media much like the US would try to make it a huge deal and blame whitey but the French natives wouldn't give a fck.
This article appeared in Le Monde on Monday 3 July. It provides an overview of the past week’s events. And perhaps, already, an assessment of the riots, since the "climate" has calmed down considerably since monday.
Violence: an unprecedented toll
In five days, the number of direct victims of fire, damage and theft has risen into the thousandsThe violence in France now has little in common with the death of young Nahel M., killed by a police officer in Nanterre on Tuesday 27 June. Since Friday 30 June, the riots affecting hundreds of communes in France have changed in nature, with unprecedented intensity, extreme levels of violence, looting of shops, attacks on public services, civil servants and elected representatives and, finally, several thousand direct victims of fire, violence, damage and theft.
In five nights and as many days of violence, the toll has exceeded in severity, according to several sources, that of the riots in autumn 2005, which lasted three weeks. The figures only give a glimpse of those very long hours when groups of rioters took control of their neighbourhoods - which had already happened. But they also attacked public services and shops in city centres, causing panic in Marseille, Lyon, Toulouse and Strasbourg, which were sometimes drowned in tear gas, the sound of explosions and the smell of fires. At night, but also in broad daylight, despite a considerable police presence, with more than 40,000 civil servants mobilised, including units such as the RAID police and the GIGN gendarmes, and the use of armoured gendarmerie vehicles.
On Sunday 2 July, the Ministry of the Interior counted more than 5,000 vehicles torched, 10,000 rubbish bins set alight, nearly 1,000 buildings burnt, damaged or looted, 250 police stations and gendarmeries attacked, and more than 700 police officers injured. A firearm was used against the police in the Pissevin district of Nîmes, where a policeman's bullet-proof waistcoat blocked a 9 mm projectile - this was the case in 2005 in Grigny (Essonne) and Mont- fermeil (Seine-Saint-Denis). A 54-year-old man died on Thursday night in French Guiana, hit by a stray bullet fired by a rioter, according to the police.
"We are the law"
In an unprecedented move, rioters attacked elected representatives, marking a further stage in the radicalisation process, as in Pontoise (Val-d'Oise), Montluçon (Allier) and L'Haÿ-les-Roses (Val-de-Marne), where the mayor (Les Républicains, LR), Vincent Jeanbrun, was directly targeted: a car was thrown at his house and then set on fire, forcing his wife and two young children to flee. "A new level of horror and ignominy has been reached", said the mayor in outrage. "The vehicle was set on fire to burn down the house", said the Créteil public prosecutor. An investigation into attempted murder has been opened.
The countless scenes described by witnesses in hundreds of different locations are appalling in their violence and determination. Elected representatives from suburbs accustomed to tense situations recount extremely brutal acts. In their own words, they describe an attempt by a generation of very young men to seize power.
In Corbeil-Essonnes (Essonne), the mayor, Bruno Piriou (various-left), spent nights following the movements of the groups through the many CCTV cameras. Some 300 individuals out of a population of 52,000. "I saw some very organised young people getting ready, all dressed alike. There was even a group of seven people dressed in white overalls and big glasses, using a disc saw to cut down the poles where the cameras are installed. On the walls, tags tell of the desire to take power. "The law is ours", "Death to the pigs", "A good cop is a dead cop", etc. "There is a section of young people who take action to attack what they see as the established order", says the elected representative.
In Sevran (Seine-Saint-Denis), the rioters made a frontal attack on the police station and the town hall. This is unprecedented in a town that has been subject to major tensions for years. "The whole city was affected, not just certain districts. We've been dealt a major blow", said the mayor (various left-wing), Stéphane Blanchet, who was appalled by the level of determination shown by the rioters. The Carrefour shopping mall was looted. The Action shop was ravaged by fire.
Dozens of vehicles were set alight in one of France's poorest towns. Twelve of them were municipal vehicles taken out of the garage one by one to be set on fire. "They want to break the back of our town", testified the mayor, saying he was "terrified" by the discovery of a tag stating "You took a life from us, we want a policeman."
These riots are evidence of a form of ultra-violence. Even in medium-sized towns. And far beyond the major urban centres. "We saw that the older brothers, aged 25 or 30, were outnumbered by the younger kids, many of them aged 14 or 15", says Olivier Bianchi, mayor (Socialist Party) of Clermont-Ferrand, where a school and a community centre were set on fire. So was an organic grocery shop set up by an association to provide quality food in the heart of a housing estate. "For the past thirty years, we have all seen on the ground that gang violence has continued to increase", laments Manuel Valls, who was mayor of Evry for eleven years before becoming interior minister and then prime minister.
The seriousness of the violence is causing great anger among the residents, who are the first victims of the damage. "Criminals have decided to destroy our republican institutions", said Valentin Ratieuville, mayor (LR) of Persan (Val-d'Oise) after the town hall fire. On his Facebook page, the elected representative published a text expressing his emotion and the extent of the shock he felt: "The aim of these thugs was clear: to destroy and annihilate at all costs (...). The people of Persan cannot accept being the victims of these criminals. Let them take responsibility for being cowards and let them be judged and punished for having betrayed and martyred Persian.
Virality
Astonishment and incomprehension. Mathias Wargon, head of emergency at the Delafontaine hospital in Saint-Denis (Seine-Saint-Denis), describes the insults and threats directed at medical staff by around twenty rioters who came to accompany their wounded patients - a dozen or so - on the night of Thursday to Friday. "What strikes me is the gap between the analyses I hear about politics and the reality on the ground, where I see violence and a form of opportunism when it comes to looting a shopping centre. We underestimate the stupidity of some of these people", says the emergency doctor, formerly of the Avicenne hospital in Bobigny, who is highly critical of the attempts by the far right and the far left to exploit the situation in different directions.
"Social networks". Without reducing the outbreak of violence of the last few days to a single cause, most of those involved in internal security stress the role played in the extremely rapid spread of the riot by online communication platforms, Telegram loops and, above all, Snapchat, an application that is very popular with young people, with over twenty million active daily users in France. Snapchat didn't exist eighteen years ago and it's changed the game," says Grégory Joron, national secretary of the Unité SGP Police FO union and a former CRS officer involved in the 2005 incidents. It's much easier for rioters to meet up, to coordinate at different points in an area, to fall back and start again further away.
Aware of the impact and consequences of this virality, the government summoned representatives of the main social networking platforms, such as Meta, Twitter, Snapchat and TikTok, on Friday to ask them to "make an active commitment to urgently remove messages reported to them and identify social network users who are involved in committing offences". However, it has not been possible to measure the impact of this request on operators or on the ground.
Competitive mimicry
Social networks are not only used to coordinate the actions of rioters. As vectors of propaganda that is all the more effective for its immediate effects, they are part of a process of competitive mimicry between towns, neighbourhoods and cities whose day-to-day relations are already marked by rivalry. "When a group films itself, the image circulates and others are tempted to imitate it, to show that they are there too, and capable of causing as much damage, if not more", analyses Johann Cavallero, national CRS delegate for the Alliance union, who served in the ranks of CRS 15 in Béthune (Pas-de-Calais) in the Paris region in 2005. The images of looting, relayed in real time, have not only led to "predatory opportunism" on the part of local residents, according to one investigator, but have also given them ideas: after the attack on a tobacconist's in the Roseraie district of Angers, the police arrested an individual who had come from a town twenty kilometres away to take advantage of the ransacking.
In the space of almost two decades, rioters have learned a great deal about how the police operate. "In 2005, the pattern was still classic: the rioters would lure firefighters into an ambush with a rubbish bin fire and take advantage of the situation to attack the units protecting the emergency services", analyses a senior police officer. This time, the offensive dimension has taken over "and they have shown that they are capable of deciding where and when to strike". This is borne out by the number of police stations, gendarmerie brigades and police offices targeted: 58 on Wednesday night, 90 the next day and more than a hundred between 30 June and 2 July, despite hundreds of arrests and the deployment of specialist units.
This is not a new phenomenon; in fact, it's almost a daily occurrence. But the scale of the damage caused is unprecedented. In Val-de-Marne, the Choisy-le-Roi police station was attacked two nights in a row, and thugs were narrowly beaten off as they made their way into the airlock of the Kremlin-Bicêtre police station; in Limoges, the police station in the Bastide district was ravaged by fire.
The occasional use of drones or young women, less suspicious in their eyes, to inform rioters of police movements, malicious calls to clog up the emergency services during the attack on the Val-de-Reuil (Eure) police station, individuals blocking off a street while their accomplices robbed shops, as in Paris on Thursday night, "certain groups are clearly capable of organising themselves and have made us fear the worst", according to a Parisian police chief. The result was a show of force on a scale not seen since 2005.
For many police officers, however, the key difference between the clashes in 2005 and those that have marred the past week lies first and foremost in their motive. Back then, they wanted to kill cops as a punitive expedition after the deaths of Zyed and Bouna," says a policeman stationed in the Paris region. This time, Nahel's death, dramatic as it was, just gave them a pretext to loot. The proof, argues Johann Cavallero: "Kids even younger than Nahel are dying from Kalashnikov bullets in gang fights almost every week. And yet, the suburbs are not moving. /deeplend
This is what France/Europe needs to avoid.
Rioting is irrelevant in comparison.
She lives in her own more-far-left-than-the-actual-far-left world.