Interesting. This seems part & parcel of the set off package. Any plans by SAFRAN to make those engines here assuming this deal with GTRE / DRDO for ToT doesn't come thru ?
The ToT agreement was not signed, SAFRAN had to fulfil its obligations: we are not Americans, when we sign something we keep it.
The parts of the M-88 that are built in this factory are undoubtedly to ensure as much autonomy as possible for India and the parts of the LEAP are so that the turnover ensures the profitability of the factory.
The eco-system thus constructed will facilitate the Make in India if a second batch of Rafale is ordered.
Yes, the ToT hasn't been signed as there's no agreement. I alluded to it in my previous post. I'm of the belief that we should be ordering Rafales in tranches of 2-3 squadrons amounting to 150 -200 FA with off set obligations all thru this decade up until the mid 30's & avoid cumbersome delay inducing tenders like the MMRCA -2.0 or the MRFA as it's now christened. But that's just my opinion. The MoD / GoI like God operates in mysterious ways.
Am I correct in assuming going by what you've posted that if the 2 tranche of Rafales are ordered, the entire M 88 engine will be built here as opposed to assembled here as part of the set off package irrespective of the ToT which is a separate discussion altogether.
Boris Johnson coming in April
Rolls Royce engine agreement might happen
With Brexit , UK looking for newer markets
Does it mean mmrca2 Rafale deal is about to be signed? And does it mean that LCA MK1A MWF TEDBF and AMCA will be powered by safran HAL jet engine..
Does it mean mmrca2 Rafale deal is about to be signed? And does it mean that LCA MK1A MWF TEDBF and AMCA will be powered by safran HAL jet engine..
It's only an MoU. It will come into play "if" GoI chases after a second deal.
But what it means is France is serious about ToT. So this could encourage GoI to chase after the second deal.
This is from Aero india what is this guy talking about? CAS visit is related to Rafale not HAL collaboration.
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RR's deal is with GTRE for the R&D of a new generation engine, whereas Safran's deal is with HAL for the production of the existing Rafale engine. No comparison.
Most likely relates to production though, since the R&D program is with GTRE. HAL is expected to manufacture the engine, and technologies related to it is definitely needed.
actually, it is a way to allow us to learn the processes without any IPR issues.
I asked this question before too. Do the joint development will bring any expertise to india?
We developed shakthi engine for ALH with french collaboration, and we still not move forwarded from shakthi engine. Recently, india is looking again to abroad for engine for HAL IMRH instead of developing an engine based on shakthi. I fear new RR collaboration too end up like shakthi engine style development.
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Shakti was a JV and the lessons learnt from it are now being applied in developing a turboshaft engine based on HTFE-25 engine. Same will happen to Kaveri. What we learn from M88, we will apply in Kaveri.
Sir, my query is why we didn't develope it to IMRH rated engine? We got ample amount of time after we finished the shakthi engine to develop it to a more powerful turboshaft engine, when the requirements to replace MI17 was obvious back then too.
nearly all Turboprop/Turboshaft engines are derivatives of Jet engines as they share the same gas turbine. So unless you increase the output of the turbine, you cant get additional thrust. It will have to be a completely new engine.
Yeas, what stopped us from developing a higher shaft power Turboshaft engine based on the experience we gained?
Also RR-GTRE proposed engine is 110kn asper many reports, in future if IAF wanst a heavy class stealth fighter like f22 then we need minimum 150+ kn engine . My query is that will india be able to develop such engine without external help ? We have an example of Shakthi engine that the experience gained from Shakthi project didn't work out with us developing to a higher rated engine for imrh.
After the know how, there is the knowledge why to make it so. Only the French offer this but the Indians find it too expensive.
If my knowledge is correct, So far two engines has developed in india with french help
1) Shakthi engine,which is based on TM333
2)Vikas engine of ISRO, which is derived from french Viking engine.
As on today, In both cases we didn't come up with an uprated engine either based on existing engine or developed new high power engine based on the experience we gained from French.
So why to spend more money on French collaboration when we cannot move forward from french technology collaboration?
Either you are not providing adequate technology or we may be dumb like a boiled potatoes or we are lazy to work extra on French technology. So i fear by investing extra money on French jet engine we will end up as a licenced producer of an another version of m88.