Sonar : The world class french sonars are already on the market.
Automation : I think you don't need help.
Propulsion : it is the more sensible. And french only used low enrichied uranium....
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Automation : I think you don't need help.
Propulsion : it is the more sensible. And french only used low enrichied uranium....
A SSBN don't need high fast speed. 99,99% of its time it cuises at 3 to 5 knots. A fast speed is only needed to escape, in a last try manoeuver... ie already a game over situation (a SSBN has to be steathy, and stay away of all potential threat).
Modern SSN can cruise in silence in the 15 knots region. They are able to cuise more faster, but are then blind and noisy. More usefull than for a SSBN, specially if it has to protect a carrier group cruising 15 to 20 knots.
But is the 190MW absolutely needed ? probably not. If I remember well inside Barracuda SSN is a very direct derivative of the french SSBN and french carrier reactors. The SSN probably only use part of this max power.
The less power you need, the more silent the reactor is (not the reactor itself, but the pumps). Some reactors, in low power, don't need pump but use only natural convection to be as quiet as possible.
A big reactor inside a "small" SSN may give the SSN a quiet max speed very interesting.
24 Hours aboard the French navy’s aircraft carrier in India
How does the Navy spend its time at sea? Brut host Nihal Ranjit spent a day aboard the Charles de Gaulle, the French aircraft carrier, talking, eating, and sleeping like a sailor to find out.
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Everything I said in 2023 seems to be slowly becoming reality.
My post about india's industrialisation problems w.r.t. china:
[notice the part highlighted in red]
I clearly said it in 2023, "Cause if its too late, then we would be begging chinese conglomerates mostly and they will always follow CPC diktats rather than profit margins".
The more we keep delaying India's industrialisation, the more india will have to deal with chinese companies later on in time [as they will absorb more & more of the world's supply chains]. And the more we deal with chinese companies, the bigger will be the obstacles/roadblocks in industrialisation of india itself. Cause we are their biggest continental rival. They will ALWAYS look for ways to keep us down.
Essentially the argument boils down to this:
weak China ∝ easier industrialisation of India
delaying industrialisation in india ∝ stronger china
stronger china ∝ industrialisation of India becomes exponentially difficult
[∝ means proportional]
I think it was a good decision to stop arguing with delusional indian nationalists. Cause they will just argue endlessly the the main point will be lost anyways. As i look back on my posts on India-France thread, I get a sense of satisfaction as substantial amount of predictiions are coming true or are on their way to be true. But that sense of satisfaction sours when i realise it was to the detriment of my own country. None of the points/predictions I made were the that bold anyways, it was simple logical thinking.
China is now trying to impede shifting of supply chains to India. Similarly, Global Times freaked out when there was news of Tesla in talks with indian govt about a manufacturing plant. It was so funny to watch chinese freak out.
The main point to learn here is about anchor investments/anchor investors. These are essentially key investments that change the entire landscape of a particular industry as they bring hundreds of other companies with them. Apple is an an achor investor. Tesla is an anchor investor. This is why Global Times freaked out. China had to put in a lot of effort to bring in anchor investors. India is doing it with relative ease[due to geopolitics], this angers chinese as this ruins their hard work.
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Follow this guy on twitter, posts a lot about industries & supply chains w.r.t India.
How China wants to press pause on India's Apple success story
China is hindering India's Apple manufacturing progress by delaying the supply of high-tech machinery, impacting sectors like electronics and EVs. This move aims to disrupt the Make in India initiative and Foxconn's expansion, especially as India emerges as a key player in global iPhone production.
economictimes.indiatimes.com
Everything I said in 2023 seems to be slowly becoming reality.
My post about india's industrialisation problems w.r.t. china:
[notice the part highlighted in red]
>"window of opportunity"
This window of opportunity will last till the time chinese companies are still behind american ones. BYD, Huawei, etc are their national champions that are competing with the best america has to offer. CPC is pumping enormous amount of money into its R&D, unprecedented in any country seen before in such quick time. They are climbing the value chains astonishingly fast.
Leading countries by gross research and development (R&D) expenditure worldwide in 2022
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1$ fetches a lot more value in China than it does in America. So, in some ways their supremacy is already set in stone. No one will want to piss them off due to trade relations.
India-China conflict will definitely happen and the more we delay in accelerating our own industrialisation the more we are axing our own feets.
In this little window we have, we should invite as many companies as we can to invest in india. Cause if its too late, then we would be begging chinese conglomerates mostly and they will always follow CPC diktats rather than profit margins. Indian PM will be touching Chinese president's feet then.
>France is in the EU but we deal with them bilaterally in defence. The EU is a different beast entirely when it comes to trade
Yes, EU is such a beast that pretty much all major EU economies want to defy US in maintaining their China trade links due to trade volumes. If they ignore India-China clashes today, 10 years in the future, they won't even acknowledge India-China boundary issues just to keep china happy.
You asked me to give 1 example of India-France trade dispute, I just presented to you a few months old case. You were so confidently incorrect.
>No one in their right mind would hitch their future to one single power
Everyone is hitching their future to 1 superpower, its either US or China. Everyone's value in this world is decided by the the value and importance of products they produce. China's supremacy is already forcing your old allies like Russia to toe to the Chinese versions of events.
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No one will be left to help India in our neighborhood when the next war with china happens.
>critical thinking
bruh....all my arguments have plenty of data to back them up. I can atleast respect Randomradio to argue with data, all you have done is just to say 'no' with almost no data.
>You seem like a guy disheartened and butthurt that India isn't where China is today.
Sure bruh, use any word you like. But atleast I can see the difference in bayanbazi & real actions. When my 56inch PM says - "...na koi ghusa hai, na koi ghusa tha...". When my Foreign Minister says ".......S. Jaishankar said that India cannot pick a fight with China because the latter has a bigger economy.......
I realise there is a lot of rhetoric and misconceptions around the power differentials bw India & China. I mean look at the cope in this forum. China can't do this...China can't do that.....blah blah blah. Its ok to be in delusion but don't get cranky when other don't share that same "ostrich's head in the sand" attitude. Same delusion is with rafale.The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture
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>Yes, Indian economy should be doing a lot better and growing at double digits but I don't see how that translates to sucking US pee pee dry
Again with the same delusion. I just think indian nationalists have a lot of hurt ego that US chose Pakistan over India. This insecurity is the reason behind the almost 'conspiracy nut' level of anti-americanism. Engaging with US does not mean sucking their PP. This is the 3rd time I am saying this.
Indian nationalists think in absolutes, there is no in-between.
>We are in a position now to capitalise on corporate supply chain diversification and ensure our masses prosper and build up a robust industrial base
Yeah, I explained this entire thing in my previous posts. You just didn't read any of it. So let me reiterate for one last time.
India has limited political capital. The more we spend it on France the less we would be able to extract from US. There was this news report where US Senators were complaining about how much bi-partisan support existed for India but India goes ahead and buys French Planes. These kind of things do affect the relationship. Buying Rafales again for Navy is axing our own feets. We will get much more industrial support from US. Moving anything in US Congress is a 'give and take' proposition. We are taking but not giving much.
Our silence on this cruel and blatant Russian invasion of Ukraine is further damaging ties. We are delaying our own industrialization with these steps. The fact that India cant openly criticize a smaller economy like Russia tells us what a farce our so called non-aligned policy is.
>The world is not binary.
Ironic, considering that you think increasing engagement with US is equal to sucking their PP.
>US govt. is accomodating as they want a strong ally in the region against China. Fairly recent development in the scheme of things. Not enough trust built up between to two countries to consider them a sole ally
You can keep this charade of trust when 4.4 million+ indians live in US and send back billions in remittances. Pray to god that Donald Trump doesn't come to power as he will tear up all the concessional deals that Biden has signed with India. Trump has a purely transactional mind which is why India bought so much american arms bw 2016-2020. It was to satisfy that egotistical maniac. The widening trade surplus we have with US will be wiped. Go look up the data I provided in my previous post for 2016, you will be surprised by the pattern.
>And our share of global trade is paltry compared to the others. We will first have to build our own supply chain and increase trade with South Asian neighbours, China and SEA nations.
"Our supply chains". We are so far down the value chain that we are struggling to be part of others' supply chain and my man is talking about our supply chains. Lmao. Every one of our neighbor likes to trade with China rather than us. SEA is far more industrialized than India. ASEAN is deeply connected to China that there is no competition.
".............China-ASEAN bilateral trade even bucked the negative trend caused by the pandemic, jumping from US$641.5 billion in 2019 to US$975.3 billion in 2022................"
India chose to stay away from RCEP.Top diplomat says China, ASEAN pushing ahead with free trade area talks
China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) are pushing ahead with talks on a third version of a free trade agreement at an ASEAN summit in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta, China's top diplomat Wang Yi said on Thursday.www.reuters.com
India has already missed the bus with SEA. China is making inroads so deep that forget competition, nobody there wants to buy anything substantial from India. ASEAN's largest economy is Indonesia. Chinese investments are so huge there that China will remain Indonesia's largest partner for decades to come.
China uses this relationship to dump its products into India, one of the reason's why India's trade deficit with China keeps on rising.
I clearly said it in 2023, "Cause if its too late, then we would be begging chinese conglomerates mostly and they will always follow CPC diktats rather than profit margins".
The more we keep delaying India's industrialisation, the more india will have to deal with chinese companies later on in time [as they will absorb more & more of the world's supply chains]. And the more we deal with chinese companies, the bigger will be the obstacles/roadblocks in industrialisation of india itself. Cause we are their biggest continental rival. They will ALWAYS look for ways to keep us down.
Essentially the argument boils down to this:
weak China ∝ easier industrialisation of India
delaying industrialisation in india ∝ stronger china
stronger china ∝ industrialisation of India becomes exponentially difficult
[∝ means proportional]
I think it was a good decision to stop arguing with delusional indian nationalists. Cause they will just argue endlessly the the main point will be lost anyways. As i look back on my posts on India-France thread, I get a sense of satisfaction as substantial amount of predictiions are coming true or are on their way to be true. But that sense of satisfaction sours when i realise it was to the detriment of my own country. None of the points/predictions I made were the that bold anyways, it was simple logical thinking.
China is now trying to impede shifting of supply chains to India. Similarly, Global Times freaked out when there was news of Tesla in talks with indian govt about a manufacturing plant. It was so funny to watch chinese freak out.
The main point to learn here is about anchor investments/anchor investors. These are essentially key investments that change the entire landscape of a particular industry as they bring hundreds of other companies with them. Apple is an an achor investor. Tesla is an anchor investor. This is why Global Times freaked out. China had to put in a lot of effort to bring in anchor investors. India is doing it with relative ease[due to geopolitics], this angers chinese as this ruins their hard work.
x.com [username: IndustrlPolicy]
Follow this guy on twitter, posts a lot about industries & supply chains w.r.t India.
Here are highlights from the memorable welcome in Paris yesterday. pic.twitter.com/lgsWBlZqCl
— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) February 11, 2025
India – France Joint Statement released during PM Modi's France visit:https://t.co/wUMMdTEKN3
— Sidhant Sibal (@sidhant) February 12, 2025
Renforcer les liens maritimes à Marseille !
— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) February 12, 2025
Le président @EmmanuelMacron et moi-même avons visité la salle de contrôle de CMA-CGM, un leader mondial du transport maritime et de la logistique. Alors que l'Inde étend ses réseaux maritimes et commerciaux, les collaborations avec… pic.twitter.com/6LGby2kzQ7
This is disappointing.
I knew that most governments in Western Europe were broadly in alignment with the globalist deep state but to varying extents based on their own national interests. Really hope this is just an errant embassy staffer and the French Govt. sees that undermining India's security interests in our neighbourhood really doesn't benefit France's Indo-Pacific outlook in any way.
Thanks to @Ashwin for finding.
@Picdelamirand-oil @Bon Plan @Herciv @Amarante @randomradio
How ridiculous, baseless and intellectually weak statement @kawsarc @mainul_haque @carmel_trish https://t.co/aEe65yjcgt
— France in Bangladesh 🇫🇷🇪🇺 (@FRauBangladesh) March 18, 2025
Deeply concerning that the French Embassy in Dhaka @FRauBangladesh is supporting the Yunus Government's criticism of @TulsiGabbard's statement on the genocide of Hindus in Bangladesh. The international community must acknowledge the plight of minority Hindus #JusticeForHindus… pic.twitter.com/fGHDxltzhR
— Manoj Rawat🇮🇳 (@SeaSkipper) March 18, 2025
I knew that most governments in Western Europe were broadly in alignment with the globalist deep state but to varying extents based on their own national interests. Really hope this is just an errant embassy staffer and the French Govt. sees that undermining India's security interests in our neighbourhood really doesn't benefit France's Indo-Pacific outlook in any way.
Thanks to @Ashwin for finding.
@Picdelamirand-oil @Bon Plan @Herciv @Amarante @randomradio
Stuff embassies say cater to the domestic audience in the country they are located in. Sucking up to the new guys in power has always been the norm.
The Globalists via Yunus have created a new Aam Aadmi Party (Common Man Party) for BD called NCP, so with Awami being suppressed, a direct political competitor to the BNP is being readied.
NCP is National Citizen Party. Translation: Bangladeshi Janta Party or "BJP." The amount of thought that's gone into these names.
They are collectively supporting their new puppet and its 26-year-old leader.
the tweet has been removedHello @timesofindia, time to update your story since @FRauBangladesh has deleted it’s undiplomatic tweet after realising it’s mistake. https://t.co/YerKJZGzxx
— Manoj Rawat🇮🇳 (@SeaSkipper) March 19, 2025
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Seems they deleted the tweet so it must have ruffled the wrong feathers.
This isn't about sucking up to the new guy though, this is about protecting their guy from criticism. These same embassies & agencies were actively funding and directing anti-Govt activities in Bangladesh less than a year ago. Now that their man is in power, they want to dispel any notion that minorities are worse off under Yunus' caretaker Govt than under Hasina - which is a complete lie.
The Globalists via Yunus have created a new Aam Aadmi Party (Common Man Party) for BD called NCP, so with Awami being suppressed, a direct political competitor to the BNP is being readied.
NCP is National Citizen Party. Translation: Bangladeshi Janta Party or "BJP." The amount of thought that's gone into these names.
Doesn't matter for us what they believe. The fact is, we had a perfectly good arrangement with Hasina's Govt, but the globalists (led by Democrat-ruled US) figured that if they removed her, it'd be easier for them to have their way in Bangladesh going forward - India's interests be damned.
With Trump in office with Tulsi as DNI, it seems the US may no longer be interested in backing Yunus. They might see it as acceptable to let the chips fall where they may. If they fall where India wants them to, so be it.
But if France decides to continue toeing the globalist line in BD, they might sooner or later find themselves directly at odds with India. Not unlike the chill in US-India relations towards the end of Biden's term.
What's more, such actions probably won't even be in France's own interests either. It's high time that France (and rest of EU) do a U-turn on their Bangladesh policy. They need to accept the fact that what happens in BD is of core interest to India and nobody else.
Their plans are a nightmare scenario for us.
Awami's grassroot-level support is very difficult to replace. These social media champions that the globalists back have little to no connect with the real people or real problems. This playbook hasn't worked in India and has an even lesser chance to work in BD. In BD, it's either Awami League or Islamist rule. There's no real 'progressive' middle ground - unless the Army imposes martial rule on their behalf. Pak/China have taken that into account and see this as their way 'in' to the globalist coalitiion. We just thwarted an attempt to replace the current Army chief with an ISI puppet:
They will try again, and again. Unless we actively reshape the events in our favour. That means removing the globalists from power and reinstalling Hasina (or at least someone who is puppeted by her, while she continues to remain in India). Significant covert action on the ground will have to be taken to actively remove those Islamists that are targeting Awami supporters.
Just like Trump, I support Le Pen to win the next French elections and her attitude/policy towards Islamists will suit India(similar to US under Trump). @randomradio What say?
Message has been sent. That's their official position on BD.
Yeah, new guy, their guy, both are the same. Yunus created NCP. And they are exclusively supporting Jamaat.
Hasina's removal was with India in mind. In the meantime, the CIA is arming Christian separatists via missionaries in the Northeast.
We need Le Pen coming to power in France too. But the French have started their Trump-esque witch hunt against her. The only good news is RN is most likely to win in 2027 regardless of their antics. The French left have screwed up way too much.
Agree with the disconnect of college kids with the majority of the population. The goal is to ban Awami and create NCP as a viable alternative to Jamaat. It won't win, but it will give Bangladeshis the illusion of a democracy.
BNP wants elections ASAP while Yunus wants major constitutional changes before elections are held, supported by Jamaat and NCP. Even BNP is being targeted. We have to see to what extent a free and fair election is possible and if the Awami remnants will be allowed to fight for elections. They will definitely delay the elections to the middle or end of next year.
You can argue that NCP was created to split BNP and Awami voters while Islamists will vote for Jamaat to form the new govt.
We are lucky most of their army is still supportive of common sense. Luckily he legally has over 2 years to go before retirement. We have to see to what extent Awami and BNP can support him in case Yunus acts against both parties before elections.
Long term, we need right wing coming to power in Europe while the Republicans retain power after 2028. Let's hope France in 2027 and Germany in 2029.
the tweet has been removedHello @timesofindia, time to update your story since @FRauBangladesh has deleted it’s undiplomatic tweet after realising it’s mistake. https://t.co/YerKJZGzxx
— Manoj Rawat🇮🇳 (@SeaSkipper) March 19, 2025
Thank you for sharing this perspective on the complex narratives surrounding Bangladesh/India relation. It’s important to foster open dialogue to address misunderstandings and promote mutual understanding, especially on sensitive issues like minorities' rights and regional…
— Marie Masdupuy (@MarieMasdupuy) March 18, 2025
French Ambassador is the issue not tweets.
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All you have to do is organise a petition to demand her resignation.
That s it
