India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[Hellfire]

With limited release of data by IAF last evening, India has merely made available publicly data that makes military sense to those who understand it for what it is and wanted to know a bit more.

@safriz The Pakistani twist of decoy is amusing to note as the average Pakistani's typical need to blurt before thinking things out comes to fore yet again. While dealing with a seeker on a missile that homes onto the electronic signature of the target one can get away confounding the missile with electronic decoys, for an AWACS (let alone one getting data from Ground based sensors as also other aircrafts), a platform which not only classifies & sorts the target but gives you the speed, range & direction among other things too, it is a joke to claim it as such.

Anyways, we wish Pakistan continues to live in it's dreams.

On an unrelated point:

Only armour and mechanized elements of I & II Corps have moved. Infantry from depth has moved in small batches. The ones nearer to Delhi-NCR are in their locations. Not moved even for summer training yet. Interesting bit of correction to my own post earlier of complete mobilization of the two Corps. XXI still sleeping.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Further to your 80 km farce. Look at our air space and yours

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This is over 15th time you have repeated this rubbish refuted again and again, you got some mental issues that you can't read and comprehend and keep repeating same thing?

Or your target is specially post such stupid things intentionally to derail this thread?

We have asked you to show single NOTAM or closed airport or cancellation of flight but so far you haven't produced a single thing but keep sharing this map without even understanding the meaning.

Admins and moderators should take a notice.

 

[safriz]

This is over 15th time you have repeated this rubbish refuted again and again, you got some mental issues that you can't read and comprehend and keep repeating same thing?

Or your target is specially post such stupid things intentionally to derail this thread?

We have asked you to show single NOTAM or closed airport or cancellation of flight but so far you haven't produced a single thing but keep sharing this map without even understanding the meaning.

Admins and moderators should take a notice.

Yeah before you go hide behind the apron of moderators, explain this flight path and many more.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

@safriz The Pakistani twist of decoy is amusing to note as the average Pakistani's typical need to blurt before thinking things out comes to fore yet again. While dealing with a seeker on a missile that homes onto the electronic signature of the target one can get away confounding the missile with electronic decoys, for an AWACS (let alone one getting data from Ground based sensors as also other aircrafts), a platform which not only classifies & sorts the target but gives you the speed, range & direction among other things too, it is a joke to claim it as such.

I was thinking same sir, electronic decoy is inserted intentionally to fool your own missile or whatever computer of your own system to simulate a target instead of a real one how come another airforce radar be fooled with electronic decoy when they actually search for physical object in sky.

But then thought a person who is still struggling to differentiate between Indian airspace and Pakistani this will be literally bhains ke aage been bajana. You presented it with even more technical language, he will be struggling for quite some time.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Yeah before you go hide behind the apron of moderators, explain this flight path and many more.

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I am not hiding behind anyone, this has been explained but you never bothered to read and slide it one more time again.

What's to explain in this flight path? The plane is avoiding Pakistani airspace as it is still closed and using purely Indian airspace to reach Delhi via the most popular and commercially viable Delhi-Mumbai/Gujarat air route.

What's the doubt ask specifically and get it over with.

 

[nair]

Yeah before you go hide behind the apron of moderators, explain this flight path and many more.

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Yaar it is simple..... NoTAM in Pakistan.... What are you expecting? Ignore the NoTam and fly over Pakistan? The flight enters Gujarat and flies straight to Delhi..... Simple and straight forward case....

 

[nair]

Yeah before you go hide behind the apron of moderators,

He dont need to.... He himself has moderation rights.....He is not using it will give you an idea what he is trying here

 

[Jaymax]

Only armour and mechanized elements of I & II Corps have moved. Infantry from depth has moved in small batches. The ones nearer to Delhi-NCR are in their locations. Not moved even for summer training yet. Interesting bit of correction to my own post earlier of complete mobilization of the two Corps. XXI still sleeping.

So is this deployment intended to just distract and tie down Pak units across the border? That would suggest to the enemy that once again India plans to keep this conflict local throughout its course?

 

[Shajida Khan]

Yeah before you go hide behind the apron of moderators, explain this flight path and many more.

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Maamu, you are losing precious forex by closing your airspace.
There is something called "Overflight fee" which your stupid country charges per KM and Per tonne of the weight of air-craft. And its in dollars.
Pakistan is in such a mess that they charge more money for transit than actually landing in their airports.
@vstol Jockey , can you confirm about Overflight fee for transit?

So now go and work overtime in your grocery store to make it up for that... Imran needs you.

 

[Paro]

Maamu, you are losing precious forex by closing your airspace.
There is something called "Overflight fee" which your stupid country charges per KM and Per tonne of the weight of air-craft. And its in dollars.
Pakistan is in such a mess that they charge more money for transit than actually landing in their airports.
@vstol Jockey , can you confirm about Overflight fee for transit?

So now go and work overtime in your grocery store to make it up for that... Imran needs you.

Overflight Fees In The Middle East - FBO Networks, Ground Handling, Trip Planning, Premium Jet Fuel

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Kashmir highway is completely sealed. More troops pouring in.

 

[safriz]

He dont need to.... He himself has moderation rights.....He is not using it will give you an idea what he is trying here

Well no, I am not a big fan of such behaviour . Discuss the matter with arguments and make an effort. If you can't, then don't come round shouting your frustration.

 

[safriz]

Maamu, you are losing precious forex by closing your airspace.
There is something called "Overflight fee" which your stupid country charges per KM and Per tonne of the weight of air-craft. And its in dollars.
Pakistan is in such a mess that they charge more money for transit than actually landing in their airports.
@vstol Jockey , can you confirm about Overflight fee for transit?

So now go and work overtime in your grocery store to make it up for that... Imran needs you.

Yeah 250 rupalli per flight.
The damage we are doing to India is a greater gain than that.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Yeah 250 rupalli per flight.

Janaab, its per KM per tonne.
Aur rupalli naheen dollars hein.

The damage we are doing to India is a greater gain than that.

Ji, zaroor, chinti ko lagta hei ke katora talaab hei to mein kya karoon.

BTW, Air India ka revune hei 222 billion INR per year, so all those carores of rupees don't even register. They are less than one month of revenue growth.

Not to mention, now Air India will permanently redirect all flights to a differ flight path and will perhaps disallow any flights from Pakistan. So you can keep your geographic advantage and suck on it.

 

[Paro]

It's not Pakistan that's restricting a flyover, it's India. This is called Isolating Pakistan Internationally. We are starving them of any money they can make out of it. India is restricting airlines to enter its airspace through pakistan.
No end in sight for Pakistan airspace restrictions

USA, Germany, France, UK issuing NOTAM to their airlines flying over Pakistan
Pakistan – SafeAirSpace

 

[nair]

Well no, I am not a big fan of such behaviour . Discuss the matter with arguments and make an effort. If you can't, then don't come round shouting your frustration.

That's our idea too.... I am looking forward for Arginents based on facts and interpretations and views......Hollow arguments wont take us anywhere....

 

[nair]

Yeah 250 rupalli per flight.
The damage we are doing to India is a greater gain than that.

How? Thru a longer route for west bound flights? I think India can afford that.....Economy is relatively strong for that cost....Question is how long Pakistan can afford this stand off.... My estimate says this is gonna continue for 2 more months.....

 

[Paro]

How? Thru a longer route for west bound flights? I think India can afford that.....Economy is relatively strong for that cost....Question is how long Pakistan can afford this stand off.... My estimate says this is gonna continue for 2 more months.....

Check my last post. . this the other way around. Pakistan opened its airspace for India. but India is restricting the airlines from using it.

"Pakistan also say they will allow overflights between Oman and India to cross its airspace on two specific routes (ALPOR to TELEM and SAPNA to TAPDO), but we have had reports from members that authorities in India have been refusing to issue permits for any flights that connect at all with Pakistan airspace."

 

[Shajida Khan]

"Pakistan also say they will allow overflights between Oman and India to cross its airspace on two specific routes (ALPOR to TELEM and SAPNA to TAPDO), but we have had reports from members that authorities in India have been refusing to issue permits for any flights that connect at all with Pakistan airspace."

There goes Pakistan's 'geographic advantage'.

Next we should start selling contaminated Pakistani mangoes by names of Pakistani traders.

 

[Paro]

There goes Pakistan's 'geographic advantage'.

Next we should start selling contaminated Pakistani mangoes by names of Pakistani traders.

We need to target their refrigerated containers staging ports by taking over the space allocated for Pakistani export businesses. This will increase their wastage in perishable goods (which is one of their biggest exports) and the only way to counter that would be to increase their logistic costs. That will increase the price of their exports higher compared to India and Bangladesh alternatives.