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Does anyone feel PAF gave away too much?

We know a fair bit about their Airborne radar tactics, and that they can time their attacks to hit when we are changing planes on station.

Not to mention the precedent they set of launching missiles from their side.

They did not gain anything for all of this.

@nair If a real war breaks out, how long can they do these 50 plane missions before spare and maintenance issue plague them?
I guess they were expecting a retaliation from us as they were trying to attack our Brig HQ, Along with one or two Su30's...... They wanted us to fall to the trap that's why they had their entire assets airborne.....The story or the script changed with capture of Abhi.... and I believe Mi17 crash also pulled us back.....
 
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I guess they were expecting a retaliation from us as they were trying to attack our Brig HQ, Along with one or two Su30's...... They wanted us to fall to the trap that's why they had their entire assets airborne.....The story or the script changed with capture of Abhi.... and I believe Mi17 crash also pulled us back.....
Hello ,
I am new members and I have read almost all of the previous posts but I just don't understand ..?
1- why those su30 on CAP were not carrying r27 missiles which have better range than r77 ....
2- when they knew that missiles are being fired at there plane , they took countermeasures and stay out of there range , but why they didn't climb to higher attitude to get firing solution ... I mean they would have enough time after defeating first aim120
3- where were other su 30 , I mean in situations like this you put your best plane in forward bases..
4- why didn't those m2k fire any missiles at those j17 jets which were close to them ... why they didn't engage when su30 were fired upon..! There were some members also saying that m2k were also locked by f16 who knows.! What happened with those m2k..?
 
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Hello ,
I am new members and I have read almost all of the previous posts but I just don't understand ..?
1- why those su30 on CAP were not carrying r27 missiles which have better range than r77 ....

Does it matter what they were carrying when they were not allowed to fire? Also, only media speculations talk of the MKI's loadout. The reality is we do not know what the MKIs were carrying at the time.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.
 
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Does it matter what they were carrying when they were not allowed to fire? Also, only media speculations talk of the MKI's loadout. The reality is we do not know what the MKIs were carrying at the time.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Okay I understand that they were not allowed to fire first... But after being fired upon why didn't they retaliate...?
 
Hello ,
I am new members and I have read almost all of the previous posts but I just don't understand ..?
1- why those su30 on CAP were not carrying r27 missiles which have better range than r77 ....
2- when they knew that missiles are being fired at there plane , they took countermeasures and stay out of there range , but why they didn't climb to higher attitude to get firing solution ... I mean they would have enough time after defeating first aim120
3- where were other su 30 , I mean in situations like this you put your best plane in forward bases..
4- why didn't those m2k fire any missiles at those j17 jets which were close to them ... why they didn't engage when su30 were fired upon..! There were some members also saying that m2k were also locked by f16 who knows.! What happened with those m2k..?
Hi @Abhay rajput , welcome here :). Please read @Falcon 's and @vstol Jockey 's posts to have a clearer picture of what happened.
 
Revoking article 370 was more a symbolic but necessary move.. as no other state has a separate constitution... It had also become the totem for the separatists to rally around...


Yes and No. The problem was never about separate constitution - that was workable. The problem is the unwillingness of the Union of India to be either side - either fully integrate the state and all its territories including PoJ&K or fully vacate the State. The vacillation that India has shown with respect to the J&K policy, under both the UPA and the NDA, is the real reason why there remains a problem in the State.
 
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For one statement of support by Turks on Kashmir, Pakistan gets knocked into an alliance totally opposite to Saudi and UAE in Turks war against Kurds. Ironically, Pakistan's predicament is that India issued statement against Turkey's aggression and standing with Gulf which will further drive wedge between Pak-Saudi already stressed relationship.

What a comedy fate plays. Pak always ends up with more and more losses with weird unstable alliances which it didn't intend to join but somehow joins because of their nature to be a minion.

Coming days will be fun if UN passes resolution against Turkey. Million dollar question is will Pak throw Turkey or Saudi under the bus when push comes to shove. LoL.
 
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When Abhinandan was caught by PAF and the news was all around in Twitter. The top most trending hashtag on Twitter is "We don't want war. Call for Peace".

In any future fight with Pakistan or China, if they were initial losses on our side. People will pressurize the Govt for peace. I feel that social media is a bane for military operations

Had modi gave a shit about twitter opinions/campaigns,Yogi adhiyanath would still be doing pooja in his mutt .Lutyens elite just reacts not sets the narrative under Modi-Shah-Doval .
 
@Falcon I have a genuine question.
You say we lost more men trying to recover dead bodies than in KIA. Why did we do that? Like what is this fixation with recovering dead bodies when that's resulting in more dead bodies? Isn't that paradoxical if not plain stupid?
 
For one statement of support by Turks on Kashmir, Pakistan gets knocked into an alliance totally opposite to Saudi and UAE in Turks war against Kurds. Ironically, Pakistan's predicament is that India issued statement against Turkey's aggression and standing with Gulf which will further drive wedge between Pak-Saudi already stressed relationship.

What a comedy fate plays. Pak always ends up with more and more losses with weird unstable alliances which it didn't intend to join but somehow joins because of their nature to be a minion.

Coming days will be fun if UN passes resolution against Turkey. Million dollar question is will Pak throw Turkey or Saudi under the bus when push comes to shove. LoL.
Have UAE/ Saudi released any statement against Turkey?
 
I really hate Modi Govt for banning Zaid Hamid on Twitter India.:mad: Now, I have to log in to Tor browser to get my daily dose of Entertainment!:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
@Falcon though army air force are there for fighting..but still goi..and forces should work together to fighte propaganda war

No two thoughts on that. Even Kautilya has stressed upon the usefulness of disinformation as a tool of war.



A lots of confusion created by Pakistan and Indian media

1.paf entered our airspace (denied by acm dhanoa)(said by Indian media)
2.our bvrs were outranged (said by Indian media)
3.we have to use 2 su30 for one f16(said by Indian media)
4.our communication jammed,so abhinandan followed f16 in to pok.(said by Indian media)
5.our ads were in training mode(said by Saurav Jha)

Let me clear them up for you.

1. No. PAF did not enter our airspace. They undertook a technical violation and immediately egressed.

2. I have my reservation on that viewpoint. ROEs were in place as also the fact that BVRs sound good on paper, but you only get a sure kill once you are able to achieve a 'burn through' from the active jamming. If you look at the success rate of AIM-120C which has a Lock-on-Jamming seeker, it was pretty dismal. So, I would still say that IAF did not fire without being sure of a kill that could be presented as a violation/technical violation of airspace. Remember. India had undertaken a Counter Terror strike the previous day and was not using that as a pretext to invade Pakistan and convert it into an Indo-Pak conflict, allowing Pakistan to paint it as Indian aggression over 'Kashmir Dispute' thereby relegating terror support to background. Members here consistently fail to appreciate this fine distinction we wanted to maintain and did.

3. Laughable. But for ensuring 100% kill, I would love to have those ratios. Who wouldn't!

4. Already dealt with.

5. As per Saurav Jha only. Had that been the case, Mi-17 would not have been shot down. It was shot down just as last of the transport aircrafts landed at Srinagar - civil and military.




My personal query .... though Pak jets were in no fly zone but our ads (Sam's)...can shoot down standaoff weapons (bombs)...which they dropped
Asking you honestly, again sir hatsoff to u..
You are countering all... answering all...on behalf of armed forces

The SOWs were blinded. There is no doubt of that. Even ISRO Chief had made a statement on the role played by ISRO I think.
 
He had dropped a hint.he announced that on twitter thinking he has a less no of followers and the hint will be lost..but he doent know hum unka picha twitter par bhi nahi chodenge..

As posted earlier.

Sir.

Additionally, our 'eyes in the skies' are active ... they provide lovely target acquisition data through which, targeting of selected terror holdouts is taking place. Pakistani Army has tried to protect them by moving them and theirselves, into civil area. Even then, precise targeting is being done.

The collateral is because of movement of civilians in the area which Pakistan Army is not allowing to be vacated.
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What if I told you guys India has Anti PGM countermeasures in place.

And when I say that I am not referring to kinetic countermeasures like SAMs and AAA etc ( hard kill systems )

What I am referring to is soft kill systems which scrambles the guidance systems of PGMs and makes them go off-target.

These systems are deployed in highly critical sites for protection of the same against guided munitions.

And I am also not talking about jammers and decoys to spoof GPS / radar guided munitions . These are available with every Humpty Dumpties across the world.

What I talking about is countermeasures against laser guided bombs and optical / IR / IIR guided bombs

I can 100% confirm soft kill system for laser guided bombs and I found references to Counter measures to spoof all kinds of optical sensors onboard munitions ( note : I don't have concrete proof on the types of optical sensors which r being spoofed but I took the liberty to include all )

Currently all systems ,Anti LGB , Anti optical , Anti GPS, Anti radar soft kill systems are standalone . And they r try to develop a all in one system.

Now coming to point , I was wondering if these or some of these soft kill systems were deployed in the army HQ etc which came under attack by por......... and as a result missed their targets

I never mentioned this anywhere because of the prevailing situation then.

@Falcon


I shall agree. However, we saw a very strange mix of sectorial jamming from A-50 and some sort of jamming from ISRO (as per the ISRO claims).

Now coming to point , I was wondering if these or some of these soft kill systems were deployed in the army HQ etc which came under attack by por......... and as a result missed their targets

I never mentioned this anywhere because of the prevailing situation then.

@Falcon

No.
 
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