India - Pakistan War of 1971

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Arsalan123 said:
You also have history of surrender.don't forget your surrender in 62.
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Pls read history before commenting. Your ignorance or wilful ignorance of facts is becoming tiresome.

The Sino Indian border war of 1962 ended with China unilaterally withdrawing from large tracts of Indian land in the North East.Having said that , India did lose the war and sections of Indian Army surrendered. However, there were columns who also fought to the last man like Major Shaitan Singh & his 13th Kumaon in the Battle of Rezang La .


Shaitan Singh - Wikipedia

Rezang La - Wikipedia


Unlike your Ghazi army who surrendered wholesale in 1971 with 90,000 soldiers & hasn't fought a campaign till the last man , IA has never surrendered in a war .
 
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shaxm said:
beat back or china went back on its own after deciding tey will take aksai chin region.
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You are confusing the timelines.. 1967 was only in the Sikkim sector. Aksai Chin was under Chinese control prior to 1962, they captured some more during 1962 war..
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Do you know what happened in 1962. We did not surrender and fought till the last men in many places. The problem was lack of proper maps. many of our troops went into China and were taken POW. The number of PLA soldiers we killed was much higher than the number of casualties we had.
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We accept 71 surrender and don't make stories like we were winning or fight till last soldiers.why are you distorting history? We both surrendered to a larger and powerful enemy.we against you,you against china.we can't change our history.every time India humiliates Pakistan for surrender.surrender is not a sin.
 
Arsalan123 said:
We accept 71 surrender and don't make stories like we were winning or fight till last soldiers.why are you distorting history? We both surrendered to a larger and powerful enemy.we against you,you against china.we can't change our history.every time India humiliates Pakistan for surrender.surrender is not a sin.
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The BASIC Question is that
Has your Kashmir OBSESSION
GIVEN YOU ANYTHING
 
Sulla84 said:
We did not surrender in 1962 .. :)..
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What are you talking about? Where do you guys live? I mean they are all facts.even surrender of Pakistan and surrender of France against Germany is a part of history.we read it everyday.why do you want to change history? There is no shame in accepting defeat if you are fighting a powerful enemy.
 
Arsalan123 said:
We accept 71 surrender and don't make stories like we were winning or fight till last soldiers.why are you distorting history? We both surrendered to a larger and powerful enemy.we against you,you against china.we can't change our history.every time India humiliates Pakistan for surrender.surrender is not a sin.
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Allah might forgive for surrender bit will Allah forgive for not raising voice of Ughyr Ummah for own selfish reasons?
 
Arsalan123 said:
We accept 71 surrender and don't make stories like we were winning or fight till last soldiers.why are you distorting history? We both surrendered to a larger and powerful enemy.we against you,you against china.we can't change our history.every time India humiliates Pakistan for surrender.surrender is not a sin.
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Please show one account which says India surrendered to China. We lost the 1962 war but we did not surrender. Defeat and surrender are two very different words.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
What are you talking about? Where do you guys live? I mean they are all facts.even surrender of Pakistan and surrender of France against Germany is a part of history.we read it everyday.why do you want to change history? There is no shame in accepting defeat if you are fighting a powerful enemy.
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There is a difference between defeat, and a General signing the document of surrender. China defeated India in 1962, but did not manage to do the latter... since China was not capable enough, and the terrain did not suit long supply lines in hostile territory..
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Please show one account which says India surrendered to China. We lost the 1962 war but we did not surrender. Defeat and surrender are two very different words.
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Sir they are part of history.we can't change it.you can see Bangladesh today which was part of pakistan but now independent country.we can't change history.we shouldn't look at surrender like some kind of humiliation.sometimes your enemy wins and we should give credit to enemy.surrender gives us lesson.a lesson to become stronger and face same circumstances again with valor.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Media don't talk about uigher.i only see american aggressive approach on uigher issue.some members on our forum in Pakistan raised voices and some showed articles to counter it.we don't know but China is not a country who can kill it's own citizens.that is not possible.
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The father of China, Mao Zedong killed at least 5 million and you think China don't kill own citizens? How else do you think that country is functioning? Do you see any dissenting voice? Even their army owes allegiance to Communist Party not China or Chinese people wish indirectly means their Army will kill every single Chinese standing against a political party.

Learn to a read a bit before surender and China BS. The kind of indoctrination you people goes thru is appalling. Even the violence against Hong Kong protests is enough to give you an idea of what China is and what not.

You could talk like your drug addict PM and claim not knowing anything than white washing your masters here.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Media don't talk about uigher.i only see american aggressive approach on uigher issue.some members on our forum in Pakistan raised voices and some showed articles to counter it.we don't know but China is not a country who can kill it's own citizens.that is not possible.
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Cultural Revolution - Wikipedia

Read the last line of the first paragraph. The Chinese don't really give a damn. Wait and watch. Once the Hong Kong protests die down. There will be a lot of mysterious disappearances in that city.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Our pm is not drug addict and I think China is a big country and Hong Kong is their internal problem.mao changed China.i don't know much about their role but today they are powerful and strong.they are making their own weapons,integrated circuits,heavy machines.they are progressing fast.
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Mao only united China, and not to mention was involved in wholesale slaughter of millions. The person who really transformed China into an economic super power was Deng Xiaoping. He was not the normal run of the mill communist. Unlike most other communists he brought in economic development and opened the Chinese economy to the outside world, the man hated any political discussion on communism and Marxism. The only Marxist part of him was his atheism.

https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Deng-...ese-economy-while-Gorbachev-failed-completely
 
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Arsalan123 said:
You also have history of surrender.don't forget your surrender in 62.
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🆗. Difference b/n Indian Army in 1962 Vs World's number 1 Army in 1971.

1962 :

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1971:

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Arsalan123 said:
Sir they are part of history.we can't change it.you can see Bangladesh today which was part of pakistan but now independent country.we can't change history.we shouldn't look at surrender like some kind of humiliation.sometimes your enemy wins and we should give credit to enemy.surrender gives us lesson.a lesson to become stronger and face same circumstances again with valor.
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i generally dont reply here but sometimes youre so obtuse i have to chime in

is that how you make sense of the utter humiliation that you received in 71?

i guess it makes sense the current day pakistanis are all those people who have always surrendered to invaders from west , they surrendered there pride, women, religion and everything that's why i see the pakistanis with name like amina rajput, tehmeena wadera and i always chuckle on there last names, they used to be something else but there forefathers surrendered to the afghan horde.

unlike you we were ready to fight USA 7th fleet in 71 and are ready to fight till death , your whisky sipping , wife swapping gernails might talk jehad but all your political and military elite have there money and kids safely tucked away in west they are least interested in war or jehad.

we will fight you pakistanis and chinese till last men make no mistake.
 
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