Main Manhattan scientists were jude..... It's just impossible a so threatened country, with so many good scientists, don't have the bomb.
It's crystal clear for me.
India Thermo Nuclear weapon was not a total success?
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It's crystal clear for me.
Just because China goes to 1,000 warheads we won't do it, through we can. Even 400-500 warheads is more than enough to handle both Pakistan and China. If US becomes a threat which is highly unlikely for the next 20 years at least, then of course we will need way more. I see India reaching 500 warheads around 2035/2040 and stabilizing. We will focus on survivable delivery systems and launch early warning detection rather than numbers.
BTW, is France going to remake nuclear triad? Rafale also has nuclear capability, France may as well make ICBM and IRBM. What if France just makes land version of M51 missile?
It was 500 kt iirc, largest boosted fission weapon ever made in the world.
BTW regarding the submarine being only 10 nm from the coast, in a crisis or war scenario, US and South Korea could easily gain air supremacy over North Korea in max to max 1-2 days maybe even hours considering the pitiful state of the North Korean air force and air defence. F35s, KF21s or F22s can clear the way for P8Is to start doing scans near the coast and sink the submarine, not to mention it will be even easier target for USS Seawolfe or USS Virginia class submarines as well as South Korean SSKs.
North Koreas submarines will sink even before they fire a single missile.
I never said India has to match the chinese stockpile, but when one of your potential foe triple its stock pile you have to increase your own.
About France deterrence, i would not be surprised to see it increased. All depend if it remains a sole french one or also part of European one (a difficult subject).
Imo, Europe should let go of their ego and fall under French umbrella. After all, US may not be reliable anymore.
Putting aside the blatant lies, it's hard to regard anything you say seriously with how consistently you keep misunderstanding words.
You should come back to this post and re-read it in earnest only after you understand the word.
Can't you see the obvious flaw in your logic?
I recommend a dictionary if you don't know what "equivalents" means.
You should come back to this post and re-read it in earnest only after you understand the word.
I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.
Let's see, you think Indian weapons are worse than their Chinese equivalents because of Chinese track record, but you're bothered when others assume the same of America because of the historical advantage US has enjoyed over China?
Can't you see the obvious flaw in your logic?
So u certain that israel having nuke based on a leak by someone inside from an Isreali institute, then why don't you give the same weightage of someone in inside who spoke against the yield of indian detonation in 1998. FYI scientific community outside india who deals with nuke related seismic activity debunked the yeild values we published.
Certainly we are, but tgat has to be cerified by a test.So some people think that for 27 years after 1998 tests , we have not made any progress in the design of our Nukes
Why are such people even born
Hydra, I called you out. I felt I needed to counter what you were posting so I did reply. Take it for what you will. This was not done with any ill intent. I might have erred. I apologise.
Open sea nuclear tests are banned by the Limited Test Ban Treaty (LTBT), which was signed in 1963. This treaty prohibits nuclear weapon tests in the atmosphere, outer space, and underwater, including in territorial waters and the high seas. The treaty was a significant step in limiting the spread of radioactive fallout and promoting international cooperation on arms control.
The CTBT, agreed in 1996, bans "any nuclear weapon test explosion or any other nuclear explosion" anywhere in the world, with the goal of reducing and ultimately eliminating nuclear weapons. Its preamble says it is aimed at supporting disarmament and non-proliferation by constraining the development of nuclear weapons and stopping countries producing more advanced ones.
The Partial Test Ban Treaty (PTBT), formally known as the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water, prohibited all test detonations of nuclear weapons except for those conducted underground. It is also abbreviated as the Limited Test Ban Treaty (LTBT) and Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (NTBT), though the latter may also refer to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT), which succeeded the PTBT for ratifying parties.
The CTBT, agreed in 1996, bans "any nuclear weapon test explosion or any other nuclear explosion" anywhere in the world, with the goal of reducing and ultimately eliminating nuclear weapons. Its preamble says it is aimed at supporting disarmament and non-proliferation by constraining the development of nuclear weapons and stopping countries producing more advanced ones.
The Partial Test Ban Treaty (PTBT), formally known as the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water, prohibited all test detonations of nuclear weapons except for those conducted underground. It is also abbreviated as the Limited Test Ban Treaty (LTBT) and Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (NTBT), though the latter may also refer to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT), which succeeded the PTBT for ratifying parties.
It's not so easy.
-The french umbrella is now too small to protect all europe. And it takes time to increase it (it takes 10 years at least to built a deterrence nuc sub).
-Is the French President ready to push the red button is Hungary or Romania is attacked? Are the french ready to give EU (to who?) the key of our deterrence ?
-Who pay for that deterrence ? The non french will want a geographic return... are we obliged to give them our nuclear know how ?
-What about non proliferation agrrement ?
etc....
IT IS A HARD PROBLEM, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO FACE IT INDEED.
Santhanam isn't even from BARC he's from DRDO, he had no say on the physics of the H bomb. Vananu was literally an engineer in the Dimona plant, he literally took 60+ pictures of Israel's atomic weapons facility. BTW did you actually read about Vela incident or that too you conveniently ignored?
Read through my post and read through the link which has analysis of Shakti 1 (fyi, a highly technical analysis by a foreigner, which im not sure you would understand) . Primary stage successfully detonated, secondary stage likely had a partial detonation. Which means we achieved a thermonuclear reaction, but the yield was not upto the mark because the secondary stage did not fully explode. So it was a partial success, not a "fizzle". If it was fizzle secondary stage should have totally failed. Ppl like you and Karnad have low understanding of how thermonuclear weapons work and call anything as fizzle if yield is lower.
I've literally said this before, seems you don't wanna read. Most accurate way of yield detection is radio chemical analysis of the test site to see fission and fusion products, but that's kept secret by everyone. India did that analysis and claims full success, but more likely is a partial detonation of 29-35 kilotons out of 45 kilotons.
@Hydra @South block dear Santhanam after so called fizzle lol
Russkis pulled from CTBT and America hasn't even ratified it. Nuclear testing may resume. Even if it does, India testing megaton range nukes is hard. We certainly can't do it in Pokhran cuz nearby village. We can probably do it in Andaman, there's uninhabited islands. However, we would need to dig a deep shaft in those islands, a very deep one, no less than 400 meters, which is difficult.
It's way easier for US Russia China which have like 100,000 square km exclusively meant for nuclear testing,
The question remains this. Does it matter? If they throw 10,000 bombs on us or just 100 bombs on us, the result is same : End of India as a nation state. Thats what a strategic weapon is for. Ending ability of a nation state to engage in war, now and in the future.
Same applies to China with 150 Indian nukes of even 50 KT yield hitting their cities. They will be dead as a nation state.
BTW, India has a new found MASSIVE source of nuclear fuel : Its new prototype fast breeder reactor. It can easily breed 135-150 KG plutonium per year. Thats about 20-30 new warheads per year if they want to press that into strategic weapons.
How do we know? They have not tested any device publically. Their "tiny bomb" is as good as India's 100 KT bomb. Both are "untested".
BTW, US's first bomb that they dropped on Hiroshima was also an untested design.
Also, boosted designs can be minuaturized to establish scaling. because Tritium is an independent source of neutrons. Meaning, un-noticed testing is very much possible.
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Look like once in a lifetime opportunity has arrived for India..... It's now or never.
What i am confused about is "equal" basis. His rationale being that other nations are testing and moving ahead. But when did russia or China test nuclear weapons? Except the propulsion part but that's not warheads though.
So, does he mean nuclear technology or nuclear weapons.