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Hydra said:
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Why Is the US Saying India Could Face Sanctions for Buying Russian S-400 Missile Systems?

Washington has repeatedly said India is unlikely to get a waiver under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.
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US raises Russian S-400 issue, India says it has diversified portfolio

US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said that since there has been no delivery of an S-400 system, the issue of sanctions is not being discussed.
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In worst scenario,if Biden administration put sanction on India what we will do with Tejas program. I think Tejas wil hit hard and at this moment Tejas program will not survive a US sanction.
How we will get support from military gears like c17,130,p8-I, Apache ? What will be our position in quad?

Right now we cannot challenge USA with our economy,US military industry can survive without Indian orders and Quad can function without India too. So the sanction will hurt more India than USA.
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CAATSA only affects future purchases, not previously ordered systems. So F404/414 will be safe. As will all the other aircraft we already operate. They will even get all the upgrades as usual.

Anyway the US won't sanction India.
 
randomradio said:
CAATSA only affects future purchases, not previously ordered systems. So F404/414 will be safe. As will all the other aircraft we already operate. They will even get all the upgrades as usual.

Anyway the US won't sanction India.
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CAATSA has affected the F-35s already sold and even delivered to the Turks.
 
Picdelamirand-oil said:
CAATSA has affected the F-35s already sold and even delivered to the Turks.
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That was politics.

It appears Israel wanted the F-35s gone from Turkish airspace and the Americans obliged. The S-400 was only an excuse. Nothing more.

Also, American politics around Turkey is very different from that of India.
 
RISING SUN said:
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wow, we have institutional memory ? oh yeah bending backwards is.
Mr Panda should explain why we keep repeating stupid mistakes for eternity.
There is no trade deal ,same human rights lecture, threat of sanctions...etc so what has India achieved with US in last two decades other than buying military equipment. India should do a strategic review on whether we are being used or helped.
 
randomradio said:
So F404/414 will be safe.
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If you truly want to be safe, the F404/F414 engine can be replaced by another, better, engine. This was successfully demonstrated in 1990 by the aircraft in my avatar.
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Test flight with two different engines, the F404 on the aircraft's right and something much better on the left.


randomradio said:
It appears Israel wanted the F-35s gone from Turkish airspace and the Americans obliged.
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Nah. If that were true, Israel would have blocked Turkey from becoming a JSF partner in the first place... Much simpler to achieve than obtaining their a posteriori eviction after the first aircraft have already been delivered!
 
A Person said:
If you truly want to be safe, the F404/F414 engine can be replaced by another, better, engine. This was successfully demonstrated in 1990 by the aircraft in my avatar.
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Test flight with two different engines, the F404 on the aircraft's right and something much better on the left.
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Even the F404 was meant to be a stopgap. There was no way the govt was gonna fund an engine that was yet to finish development.

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Nah. If that were true, Israel would have blocked Turkey from becoming a JSF partner in the first place... Much simpler to achieve than obtaining their a posteriori eviction after the first aircraft have already been delivered!
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They probably failed that time. Doesn't make sense for the S-400 to be such a big deal breaker.
 
randomradio said:
Doesn't make sense for the S-400 to be such a big deal breaker.
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Yes it is. Remember, Turkey is a NATO country. You're really not supposed to buy from the enemy when you're in an alliance.

This is is not comparable to the situation of other NATO country that have Soviet-era equipment because they used to be in the Warsaw Pact before joining NATO, or in the case of Greece because they bought it second-hand from a non-NATO country (Cyrpus) in order to solve a political crisis.
 
A Person said:
Yes it is. Remember, Turkey is a NATO country. You're really not supposed to buy from the enemy when you're in an alliance.

This is is not comparable to the situation of other NATO country that have Soviet-era equipment because they used to be in the Warsaw Pact before joining NATO, or in the case of Greece because they bought it second-hand from a non-NATO country (Cyrpus) in order to solve a political crisis.
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Come on, it still doesn't make sense to cancel one deal due to another. Don't tell me Biden recognised the Armenian genocide because of the S-400 as well. There is far deeper politics at play when it comes to Turkey. A lot of it has to do with Erdogan and his antics since before the S-400 deal was even signed.

The S-400 is simply being used as an excuse to punish Turkey because Turkey seems to be moving in a different direction altogether.
 
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Procuring the S-400 in the first place is a symptom of Turkey moving in a different direction.
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Yeah. So all of this began a long time ago. Turkey first asked for the Patriot, were denied that. Then they held a tender, that went nowhere. It was only after that did the S-400 come in. This was 10+ years in the making. And it has only been escalating since then, especially after the coup attempt.

None of this is going to affect India's S-400 purchase. Hell, if the IAF or IN ask for the F-35 after the S-400 is deployed in India, you can be bet that the Americans will agree.

Just pointing out that the US sanctioned Turkey not because they bought the S-400 but because they are not on the same terms anymore.
 
Turkey was denied the Patriot because they didn't ask just for the system, they asked for full transfer of technology. Washington had no problem selling them missiles, they however didn't want to turn a customer into a competitor.
 
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Turkey was denied the Patriot because they didn't ask just for the system, they asked for full transfer of technology. Washington had no problem selling them missiles, they however didn't want to turn a customer into a competitor.
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They were going apeshit even before buying s-400, they have serious beef with greeks which doesnt go well with EU. Then in syria they were fighting every other country. They are spiraling downwards due to resurgent radicalism and the incompetent president is throwing every thing at every one to keep his place.

Its not that they will become a competitor in trade they are on way to become another Iran minus the antics.
 
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Turkey was denied the Patriot because they didn't ask just for the system, they asked for full transfer of technology. Washington had no problem selling them missiles, they however didn't want to turn a customer into a competitor.
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Yeah, so the Turks simply went for those offering a ToT. And the Americans knew the Turks would do that anyway.

Everything looks like an attempt to box Turkey into a corner.

Anyway, none of this affects India.
 
RISING SUN said:
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The export ban by the US proves that the Americans cannot be trusted with strategic systems like fighter jets that require free flow of consumables in order to function. The minute sh!t hits the fan, it's "America First". Which is why I keep saying that the Americans have no allies, they only have subordinates. Right now, we can only have cordial, uninterrupted relations with our economic equals, like France and Russia. The only way America will see us as equals is when our heft matches theirs. At least China says that openly when they compare themselves to India.
 
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