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Rafale is no match for the F-15EX period.

F-18E has better radar, EW and SA.
I'll leave it to the experts to answer the performances aspect of the Rafale/F-15EX/F-18E. Besides this is not the place here, there are dedicated threads.

As has been mentioned many times, the relationship between the US and Pakistan seems to be so special and intimate that one wonders whether US-made equipments in service in the Indian Air Force would not degrade in performances, or run out of spare parts in the event of a conflict between India and Pakistan...

Moreover, the Rafale is ITAR free.
 
Rafale equipped with Meteor would swat your Eagles and Hornets. It is much better than both. Especially for our Air Force, it's the best😎
Aim-120D has a 120-130 mile range. Also F-18E and F-15EX EW, especially the F-15's, will negate the meteors range if these fighters and their air to air missiles ever faced each other.
 
Aim-120D has a 120-130 mile range. Also F-18E and F-15EX EW, especially the F-15's, will negate the meteors range if these fighters and their air to air missiles ever faced each other.
Bro I know that you're a very knowlegeable and smart poster. Both you and me know the difference between single pulse Rocket motor and solid fuel ducted ramjet. While your AIM 120D may reach super high ranges in lofted mode, against a fighter as agile and smart as Rafale it's pretty damn useless.

Meteor can remained powered throughout and has NEZ of over 60 kms. Classified range is even more than that. If both fire together Meteor would reach faster and with lot more energy. Just swallow your superpowa pride and admit that Meteor>>AIM 120D and may be even AIM 260😉

Also you talk about EW? LOL. EW is Rafale's biggest advantage. Yes it's true that with EPAWSS you're looking at something similar but still Rafale's SPECTRA is much more matured and is constantly evolving.

Except Raptor and Lightning 2(may be!) nothing in your arsenal is taking down Rafale. And according to @Picard, Rafale can fight with even Raptor using it's OSF.
 
So just because we chose our path as per our belief of multi-polar world, superpowa now is extremely unhappy. First they passed F16 maintenance bill (to fight terrorists, lol) and now this:


Wake up India and all those Indians who're supporting USA in this Rus/Ukraine war; simply wake up! After Russia, it's China and after China it's going to be us.
 
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Readout of Secretary Raimondo’s Meeting with Indian Minister of External Affairs S. Jaishankar​

Today, Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo met with Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar to discuss the U.S.-India commercial relationship and the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Prosperity (IPEF). Secretary Raimondo welcomed the government of India’s participation in IPEF and Minister Jaishankar’s views on IPEF going forward. She emphasized the need for an ambitious and high-standard outcome, supported by concrete benefits, in order to deliver to all IPEF members, and looks forward to working closely with India in the discussions ahead. Additionally, Secretary Raimondo confirmed the recent appointment of CEOs to the U.S. Section of the U.S.-India CEO Forum (CEO Forum), and she and Minister Jaishankar agreed that both the CEO Forum and the U.S.-India Commercial Dialogue are key opportunities to strengthen the U.S.-India commercial relationship and to advance progress on issues relevant to both our economies.

Readout of Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III Meeting With Indian Minister of External Affairs Dr. S. Jaishankar​

Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder provided the following readout:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III welcomed Indian External Affairs Minister Dr. S. Jaishankar to the Pentagon today, following the Secretary’s productive call with Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh earlier this month. Secretary Austin and Minister Jaishankar exchanged perspectives on a range of issues of shared interest, spanning recent developments in East Asia, the Indian Ocean Region, and the global reverberations of the Ukraine crisis.

Against this backdrop, the two leaders reviewed priority lines of effort to deepen bilateral defense cooperation, as the United States and India progress toward a more advanced stage in their partnership. Secretary Austin and Minister Jaishankar committed to expanding information-sharing and logistics cooperation to drive deeper operational coordination between the U.S. and Indian militaries. They also discussed new opportunities for bilateral defense industrial cooperation in support of India’s contributions as a regional security provider, including the launch of a new defense dialogue later this year as the United States and India work more closely together across space, cyber, artificial intelligence, and other technology areas.

The two leaders underscored the value of the deepening collaboration between the United States, India, Australia, Japan, and European partners. In this context, the United States looks forward to working with India and like-minded partners to promote security, prosperity, and transparency throughout the region, including through the Indo-Pacific Partnership for Maritime Domain Awareness.

Secretary Austin and Minister Jaishankar reaffirmed their commitment to working together as steadfast partners to advance the United States and India’s shared vision for a free, open, and inclusive Indo-Pacific.
 
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US letting their pooch to bark at India,

Just because we refused to toe their line now their real face against India has been exposed. And still some Indians say they are neutral in this Russo-Ukraine war while some are clearly pro US/West(even though both US and West would want to see India as genuine World Superpower as the last thing, IMO).
 

India ‘indispensable partner’ for stability in South Asia: US general​

India is an “indispensable partner and leader” for advancing stability across South Asia and the greater Indian Ocean region, a top US general said on Thursday as the two countries concluded a joint exercise.

Major General Christopher McPhillips, director of strategic planning and policy at US Indo-Pacific Command, was speaking after the militaries of both nations conducted the ‘Tiger Triumph’ humanitarian assistance exercise at India’s Eastern Naval Command in Visakhapatnam.

The three-day exercise was a tabletop simulation during which Indian and US, military and diplomatic, representatives coordinated a joint response to provide disaster relief services to a notional third country hit by a super-cyclone.

“India is an indispensable partner and leader in advancing stability and security throughout South Asia and the greater Indian Ocean Region,” McPhillips said.

“I am encouraged by the team’s work on increasing interoperability and exercising bilateral agreements to develop and validate a multinational command and control model for humanitarian assistance in this region,” he said.

The ‘Tiger Triumph’ exercise was the second collaboration between the Indian and US militaries to coordinate disaster relief in the region. The first such exercise – also conducted at Visakhapatnam – was held over nine days in November 2019 and featured more than 500 US Marines and sailors, with approximately 1,200 Indian sailors, soldiers, and airmen.

This year’s exercise involved 50 combined participants, and was focused on staff planning, with an emphasis on processes for streamlining diplomatic, operational and logistical coordination, according to a US readout.

“Tiger Triumph is a perfect illustration of how the US and India are working together to strengthen security in the Indo-Pacific,” said Jennifer Larson, US consul general in Hyderabad.

“With climate change threatening to increase the frequency of extreme weather events around the world, the US recognises India’s unique role as a regional leader with the capacity to assist other countries in need. We look forward to continuing our close collaboration and deepening our ability to work side-by-side in the region,” Larson said.


Tiger Triumph marked the third time in 2022 when the Indian and US militaries worked together in Visakhapatnam. In February, the US joined India and more than 30 other countries for India’s bi-annual Milan exercise – the first time the US participated in the drill.

In August, the USS Frank Cable visited Visakhapatnam, during which American sailors joined Indian counterparts for briefings.
 

U.S.-India Trade Policy Forum set for November 8, modest outcomes likely​

The U.S.-India Trade Policy Forum (TPF) has been scheduled for November 8 in Washington DC, The Hindu has confirmed. U.S. trade officials are arriving in New Delhi next week to finalise issues for discussion , an Indian government official told The Hindu. A few weeks ahead of this meeting, it appears that that the gains are most likely going to be modest and incremental in the immediate future, given the structural differences in both economies and political considerations in India and the U.S. — both of which have general elections in 2024.

The 12th TPF was held in New Delhi in November 2021, after a hiatus of four years, delivering some gains over the past twelve months, such as the resumption of sales of Indian mangoes and pomegranate arils to the U.S. following the pandemic, and the appearance of U.S. cherries on the Indian market.

Officials from the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), Christopher Wilson and Brendan Lynch, were in New Delhi in August – but the visit was not formally billed an ‘intercessional’.

Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal will lead the Indian delegation to Washington next month with the USTR, Katherine Tai, leading the American delegation.

On the Indian side, the requests are concentrated in the services sector, while for the U.S. side goods market access and the policy environment – such as data laws and now the imminent changes to India’s competition law- are of interest.

“A mismatch between bilateral ambition and sensitivity has been an issue at times. The U.S.’s ambitions are commensurate with what you would expect for a highly developed economy,” former Commerce Secretary Anup Wadhawan, who retired in 2021, told The Hindu via phone on Saturday.

He was referring to the U.S. interest in negotiating on agricultural and non-agricultural market access, digital trade, competition and so forth.
“We are a developing economy and have a number of sensitivities,” he added, pointing to the need, for instance, to protect agriculture, given the large low-income rural population that is dependent on it. “These needs need to be respected and factored in,” he said.

For India, many of the historical requests on services are met with responses from USTR that point to other wings of U.S. government, such as the Congress, or to other agencies and departments, having ownership of the issue.

For the U.S. side, offering one to one market access for goods has been difficult.

“India has great access to the U.S. market,” a U.S. Government (USG) official told The Hindu, pointing to the lower tariffs in the US market.

Going into this year’s TPF , they are looking at “a number of products” in the agricultural space as “win wins”. Among these, for the Americans, is the resolution of exports of alfalfa hay to India – an issue that is pending from last year’s TPF, the official said. The U.S. is also keen to supplement India’s ethanol and DDGS ( an animal feed product) production, with its supplies, in light of India’s blending goals under the 2022 National Biofuels Policy.

India’s requests have included high skilled worker visa numbers, fees, and recently, visa processing times; social security portability across countries; and 232 tariffs (i.e., tariffs imposed during the Trump administration on steel and aluminium) ; the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP), a preferential market access program offered by the U.S. to some developing countries.

For now, GSP had been of interest in previous rounds of talks. Former U.S. President Donald Trump , whose approach to trade was largely guided by differentials in overall trade balance, had taken India out of the program in June 2019.

However, New Delhi has recently signalled that the issue is no longer of significant interest. In Los Angeles last month for a ministerial meeting on the Indo Pacific Economic Forum (IPEF), a Biden administration initiative for the region, Mr Goyal had said that none of India’s exports were affected by the loss of GSP. He also said that the issue had been discussed in recent times.

“GoI continues to raise GSP, so it is of interest,” the U.S. official said.

For now, GSP is off the table because the program has itself expired for all countries and has to be reauthorized by the U.S. Congress. It did not make it into the CHIP and Science Act signed into law by U.S. President Joe Biden on August 9, having been in both Senate and House versions of bills that were precursors to this law (i.e., the Senate’s USICA bill and the House of Representatives’ America Competes Act).

“GSP is an important trade program, and the Committee has been continuously working to renew it,” Dylan Peachey, a spokesperson for the House Ways and Means Committee, told The Hindu on Friday.

But with so much uncertainty around how a lame duck Congressional session ( i.e, post the U.S. midterm elections of November 8) would look, it is unlikely GSP will pass this year, but may, instead be taken up early next year, a source familiar with the issue said.

India’s High Skilled Worker Visa Related Requests​

India has also historically wanted the U.S. to reduce its fees on visas for highly skilled workers (H1-B and L ) as well as to increase the number of H1-B visas. More recently, since the pandemic extraordinary visa wait times have become an issue, frustrating work plans and keeping families apart.

Visa wait times were raised by External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar in his bilateral talks with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on September 27 in Washington DC. Mr. Blinken had said he was “extremely sensitive” to the issue and the U.S. Embassy in India tweeted on Friday that it was prioritizing H and L visa appointments.

The longstanding desire of India to finalize a social security totalization agreement has also come up against U.S. policy challenges or the structure of organizational ownership for the issue within the U.S. government (such as the Social Security Administration, and not USTR, leading on it). Such an agreement would allow Indians in the US paying into the system via taxation to receive benefits when they move back to India.

It is unlikely an agreement will be finalized soon but there is ongoing engagement, as per the USG official.

The sums involved are large — in the ballpark of over $1 billion paid in per annum by Indian professionals in the U.S .

“The annual social security contributions in the U.S. by Indian professionals is large. While this cannot be a valid ground for the adopted U.S. stance, the fact remains that the U.S. Social Security system can’t afford to let it go,” Mr Wadhawan said.
“Contentions like the technical objection that India doesn’t have an equivalent Social Security system from which they can ask back for the money are also no longer valid,” he said, referring to the U.S. requirement that the country with which it has such an agreement have a comparable universal social security system

There seems to be some shift in the understanding , with the Biden administration’s approach to trade, that India and the U.S. are in significantly different policy spaces — an issue that both sides keep running up against in rounds of talks.
India has opted out of the trade pillar of the administration’s Indo Pacific Economic Framework (IPEF), joining instead the pillars on fair economy, supply chains and clean economy.

“Honestly it’s the right position for India,” the USG official said, as these aren’t issues India has traditionally included in trade agreements. “Let’s build confidence bilaterally via the TPF and we can consider the IPEF trade pillar later,” the official said.
 

The visa denial to Indians policy has become a form of collective punishment imposed in retaliation for India not following the Victoria Nuland way on S-400 or Ukraine.

A Communist Chinese citizen can get a visa for travel to the US in two or three days, but a citizen of India has to wait two or three years for the privilege.
 
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US partnering with India to enable it to play ‘broader stabilising role’ in Indo-Pacific​

Washington: The US wants to make sure that it is partnering with India in its defence modernisation plans and to better enable it to play a “broader stabilising role” in the strategic Indo-Pacific region, according to a senior Pentagon official.


The Biden administration has taken several steps to strengthen the India-US defence relationship since it assumed power in January 2021.


As India is taking a look at how it accelerates its own defence modernisation, in order to expand the role that it already plays as what I would describe as a net security provider in the Indian Ocean region, but more broadly in the Indo-Pacific, the United States wants to make sure that we are partnering with India to better enable it to play that broader stabilising role in the region, the senior defence official told PTI on Saturday.


We have been very focused on ways that we are advancing interoperability between the US and the Indian military,” the official from the Pentagon said on condition of anonymity.


“Obviously, the signature initiative I would highlight here is the tri-service exercise that we have between, which from our view is better equipping both of our militaries to be prepared for the kinds of challenges we will face in the future, which will require joint responses on both sides, the official said.


The official, however, refrained from describing the kind of responses that the two countries would have to their common challenges, amidst China’s aggressive posturing in the Indo-Pacific.


The militaries of the two countries have coordinated in the past during several natural disasters.


A lot of the exercises we’re talking about are really focused on a lot of the disasters and other kinds of crises that we would see happening all of the time in the Indo-Pacific region,” the official said.


In addition, as we operate operationally, we are looking at what we do together in emerging technological domains, which I think we both recognise are increasingly important to the modern way of warfare, said the senior official.


For instance, emerging technologies in the domain of space and cyberspace.


We were very pleased that this past year, we’ve been discussing a new emerging defence capabilities dialogue that will focus on space, Artificial Intelligence (AI), cyberspace, and how we work together in those domains, said the official.


“I think, (we are) looking at how the United States and India both play an anchoring role in the broader regional architecture. So obviously, the Quad is an important part of our overall cooperation, but (we are) looking also at how we can both provide support to ASEAN and in other kinds of multilateral settings, even more informally, the official noted.


In November 2017, the US, Australia, India and Japan gave shape to the long-pending proposal of setting up the four-nation Quad grouping to develop a new strategy to keep the critical sea routes in the Indo-Pacific free of any influence, amid China’s growing military presence in the strategic region and Beijing’s maritime disputes with many countries in the Indo-Pacific.


Giving an example, the official said the La Perouse exercise that the US had with multiple countries across the region looked at ways that both the United States and India can join together in some of those groupings to support multilateral cooperation.


India and the US have signed a new space situational awareness agreement, which speaks about the work that the two nations are doing to focus on new technologies and emerging domains.


Agreeing to those bilateral defence space and AI dialogues that we’ll be having together, we see all of that work is really supporting the broader effort that the White House is leading on the US-India work on critical and emerging technologies, the official said.


On the operational front, the Defence Department has been in particular focused on Navy-to-Navy cooperation.


This was discussed at the 2+2 dialogue last year and then we just recently saw the first fruits of that conversation with the Charles Drew (US naval ship) pulling into Chennai, for mid-voyage ship repair, the official said.


We anticipate more of that coming up, going forward. But we think that’s really going to enable greater logistical and operational cooperation between our navies, which has really been at the leading forefront of what we’re doing, the official said.


India’s decision to join Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) Bahrain is another example of how the US is leaning forward on more multilateral cooperation together with New Delhi.


In April 2022, during the India-US 2+2 dialogue, India announced that it would be joining the CMF as an associate partner to strengthen cooperation in regional security in the western Indian Ocean.


The official said one of the top priorities of the United States is to ensure that it is a reliable partner to India and to make sure that as India looks at its own defence needs, Washington is providing assistance, wherever it can, as a friend and a partner.


He said the US consults regularly with India about its most pressing defence needs.


“In many cases, we’re very pleased that the track record of defence trade and sales between the United States and India has been really solid over the last couple of decades, the official said.


Anytime and every time our Indian friends bring requirements or near-term needs to us that they’ve identified, we are always working very hard to ensure that if there is a way that the United States can help fill that requirement, that we do that as quickly as possible,” the official said.


The official said every country has the desire to have a strong domestic industrial base.


And if anything, the combination of COVID and the war in Ukraine has reminded us all why that is so important for every country in the world. We completely understand that, the official said, apparently referring to India’s push for Aatmanirbhar Bharat (self-reliant India), including in the critical defence industry.


I think though, that it has also reminded us how important it is, whether we’re talking in the commercial sector, or the defence sector, to leverage the complementary strengths of our allies and partners and find opportunities to work together, the official said.


That’s where some of the things that are already underway, work where Indian companies and American companies have partnered together to produce defence platforms, we think is really a very promising model for the future, and one that we hope that we’re going to continue to do together, said the official.


That both supports India’s desire to have growing domestic production capacity and expertise, as well as American desire to work closely with our partners, the official added.