Indian Army Artillery Systems : News and Updates

To be honest, I have a very detailed understanding of the Kajir conflict. I believe that the vast majority of experience here can be consolidated and improved through training and exercises. And how useful is the experience from 25 years ago for modern warfare? What truly enhances the military should be high-level training and military exercises. As for combat experience. We see that Russia's combat experience in Ukraine in 2014 caused a huge disaster in the Russo Ukrainian conflict. Not to mention the combat experience in 1999.

Many of our decision makers today joined the army in the 80s and 90s and had 10-20 years of experience during the Kargil War. Our current army chief was commissioned in 1981 and had the rank of a major at the time. So all the captains and majors during Kargil are generals today. So that means officers with real war experience are creating new requirements.

So who do you think has the advantage?

Russia never had any real combat experience in 2014. They used far too few forces in their war. Their objectives and doctrine are different. Their terrain is different. Their soldier competency is different.

He can certainly pass the test, as long as he gives enough kickbacks to the officers or allows their children to skip the Ivy League exam, which is not uncommon in Indian military history.

Your only argument is nepotism and corruption. But no, there are too many checks and balances for that to happen. Indian-made equipment is especially harder to induct 'cause the IA is much more strict.
 
And we use pre-fab bridges, which are easy to repair or rebuild once destroyed.
In times of peace, he can indeed be easily rebuilt, but time is life on the battlefield, and China's goal is not that bridge. But rather the chaotic group of Indian artillery by the bridge.
 
Many of our decision makers today joined the army in the 80s and 90s and had 10-20 years of experience during the Kargil War. Our current army chief was commissioned in 1981 and had the rank of a major at the time. So all the captains and majors during Kargil are generals today. So that means officers with real war experience are creating new requirements.
You're right. For example, Iraq has rich combat experience in the war. They have considerable practical experience, from generals to soldiers. And relying on these practical experiences, they defeated the Americans. How ignorant you are. The biggest problem for India in the Kargil conflict is. How to make Kong Jun throw bombs on the plateau slightly more accurately, and the artillery fire on the plateau slightly more accurately. Do you think these things cannot be consolidated and improved through exercises and training? Moreover, in the Kassel conflict, India only faced a few Pakistani guerrilla forces who held the high ground
 
Russia never had any real combat experience in 2014. They used far too few forces in their war. Their objectives and doctrine are different. Their terrain is different. Their soldier competency is different.
I am surprised by your ignorance. You said that Russia did not send so many soldiers in 2014.
The significant success of Russia in 2014 was largely due to its BTG, which, in short, brought together the elite infantry of a division. Then provide him with intelligence, aviation, artillery, and other support at the first level of the group army. And it was equipped with a very high level of information technology support, which caused huge damage to the Ukrainian army in mobile offensive and defensive warfare. This has also become the main theory for Russia's military building. However, in the full-scale conflict of the Russia Ukraine conflict. BTG is rapidly being depleted. And the remaining conventional troops have returned to the military level of the late Soviet Union, similar to Ukraine. And turned the Russia-Ukraine conflict into a protracted war of attrition.
But no, there are too many checks and balances for that to happen. Indian-made equipment is especially harder to induct 'cause the IA is much more strict.
It is indeed more troublesome than before. Previously, you only needed to give benefits to the officials responsible for procurement, but now you have to give kickbacks to all informed parties.
 
The data you found online for 13 tons is actually 4 × 4
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And the artillery tractor in India is usually 8 × 8
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Adding shells and gasoline and other items, it is normal for the curb weight of the entire vehicle to reach 17 tons.
Your logic is very chaotic. What you mean is that during the war, these cannons had already passed through bridges. During the war, they didn't need to use these bridges for maneuvering and transfer, but the Chinese couldn't pass through them. Shouldn't these bridges be located behind India? Why do Chinese people go through them?

You are mistaken. We use 6x6 GTV. The curb weight of 4x4 is 10.5 tons, the 6x6 is 13 tons.

The max weight of 4x4 with payload if 10.5+8.5 = 19 tons. Payload of a truck can be managed when crossing difficult terrain.

Here's an image with an Indian truck.

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Bridges go all the way to the front line.
 
They cannot escape the local firepower on the Ukrainian battlefield. The FH70 artillery was basically the earliest batch to be eliminated.

They never had FH-70 at the start of the conflict. They received some from the Dutch and Italians many months later, which they put to use in the first counteroffensive. The numbers are very few.

And it's still in use.

And once again, mountain terrain is different from the plains. You can't just fly around with a drone and spot guns in the mountains or people driving around aimlessly.

You are basically mentioning all the disadvantages PLA faces in Tibet. The effectiveness of artillery in Ukraine war and the easy surveillance in plains are problems for the PLA, not the IA.

How did you determine that the Chinese cannot continuously monitor these bridges within 50-100 kilometers behind India? Your behavior is like an ostrich in the desert. Dip your head into the sand to avoid danger.

Er... Because you don't have line of sight. I'm not sure you understand how mountains work. A bridge can be 1 km away and you still won't be able to see it.

Also you gotta understand that it's not realistic to attack the bridges, the PLA is better off surveiling and attacking more important targets. Attacking bridges won't change much. And in case PLA gets an advantage somewhere but have destroyed all the bridges, then Indian troops will be cut off and will have to fight to the last man, not a good idea for the PLA.

Warfare has a lot of common sense involved.
 
In times of peace, he can indeed be easily rebuilt, but time is life on the battlefield, and China's goal is not that bridge. But rather the chaotic group of Indian artillery by the bridge.

There is no chaotic group around bridges. The guns can move as fast as trucks in that terrain. The effective speed of a Bofors gun is 16 kmph.

Plus even in times of peace, the IA is already mobilized in the mountains.
 
I am surprised by your ignorance. You said that Russia did not send so many soldiers in 2014.
The significant success of Russia in 2014 was largely due to its BTG, which, in short, brought together the elite infantry of a division. Then provide him with intelligence, aviation, artillery, and other support at the first level of the group army. And it was equipped with a very high level of information technology support, which caused huge damage to the Ukrainian army in mobile offensive and defensive warfare. This has also become the main theory for Russia's military building. However, in the full-scale conflict of the Russia Ukraine conflict. BTG is rapidly being depleted. And the remaining conventional troops have returned to the military level of the late Soviet Union, similar to Ukraine. And turned the Russia-Ukraine conflict into a protracted war of attrition.

In 2014, the UAF didn't fight back. They retreated. That's not combat experience.

The Russians lost 0 soldiers and Ukraine lost 2 soldiers in 2014. The Ukrainian soldiers simply defected.

It is indeed more troublesome than before. Previously, you only needed to give benefits to the officials responsible for procurement, but now you have to give kickbacks to all informed parties.

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You're right. For example, Iraq has rich combat experience in the war. They have considerable practical experience, from generals to soldiers. And relying on these practical experiences, they defeated the Americans. How ignorant you are. The biggest problem for India in the Kargil conflict is. How to make Kong Jun throw bombs on the plateau slightly more accurately, and the artillery fire on the plateau slightly more accurately. Do you think these things cannot be consolidated and improved through exercises and training? Moreover, in the Kassel conflict, India only faced a few Pakistani guerrilla forces who held the high ground

The Iraqis didn't fight back. The CIA and special forces paid them to retreat into Syria. The Republican Guard simply abandoned Iraq.


You speak of Indian officers taking bribes for testing a gun. But have you considered India and the US could do the same to Chinese officers during war, like what happened in Iraq? How many Chinese generals do you think will be happy to run away to the US or Europe via India?

And no, the Kargil War employed a lot of artillery tactics that even the West is not aware of. It's not as simple as just shooting the gun. You forget that the Pakistanis were also firing back. And you also probably do not know the constant artillery duels India and Pak have been having since decades.
 
The Iraqis didn't fight back. The CIA and special forces paid them to retreat into Syria. The Republican Guard simply abandoned Iraq.

You speak of Indian officers taking bribes for testing a gun. But have you considered India and the US could do the same to Chinese officers during war, like what happened in Iraq? How many Chinese generals do you think will be happy to run away to the US or Europe via India?
Your basic assumption is that the United States can defeat Iraq. It is purely because he engaged in a large amount of bribery and rebellion against the Iraqi army, which is extremely absurd. The Gulf War is different from the Iran Iraq War, in Chinese terms. This is an information-based war. The United States has launched a dimensionality reduction strike on Iraq
In 2014, the UAF didn't fight back. They retreated. That's not combat experience.

The Russians lost 0 soldiers and Ukraine lost 2 soldiers in 2014. The Ukrainian soldiers simply defected
I think you should at least check Wikipedia. I want to find some serious military media to learn more about the detailed situation of the 2014 Donbass War, rather than relying on your imagination.
 
You speak of Indian officers taking bribes for testing a gun. But have you considered India and the US could do the same to Chinese officers during war, like what happened in Iraq? How many Chinese generals do you think will be happy to run away to the US or Europe via India?

And no, the Kargil War employed a lot of artillery tactics that even the West is not aware of. It's not as simple as just shooting the gun. You forget that the Pakistanis were also firing back. And you also probably do not know the constant artillery duels India and Pak have been having since decades.
I don't deny that the Chinese military also has corruption, but compared to India.It is much smaller, and the corruption of the Indian army has seriously hindered its progress. Since fantasy can make the Chinese army surrender to you through bribery. So why don't you disband all the Indian army. Just prepare enough money for China. I warmly welcome doing so.
 
And no, the Kargil War employed a lot of artillery tactics that even the West is not aware of. It's not as simple as just shooting the gun. You forget that the Pakistanis were also firing back. And you also probably do not know the constant artillery duels India and Pak have been having since decades
Let me briefly introduce the Kargil War, a Pakistani guerrilla force with a battalion size. Occupy a hill in India. India has assembled an absolute advantage in artillery, aircraft, and several times the superior military strength of Pakistan. The Pakistani guerrillas, on the other hand, did not have any artillery or air force support. They only had some light weapons, but the Indian army suffered a major defeat, resulting in nearly 2000 casualties before expelling these Pakistani guerrillas.
Leaving aside the poor performance of the Indian army in other aspects, let's just talk about the artillery. India has deployed a large number of M30 cannons and FH77 howitzers. But these cannons performed very poorly. In Kargill, the air density is low. The plateau has strong crosswinds. Most shells have lost their targets. During decades of war, India did not specifically design a high-altitude Artillery firing table for its artillery units, but in actual combat. They can only gradually correct the landing point of the shells. Finally, a large amount of shells were wasted. Do you think these things can be corrected during training? In the 1960s, China established a plateau Artillery firing table table for its main artillery. I think their actual combat performance is much better than those experienced artillery in India.

There is no chaotic group around bridges. The guns can move as fast as trucks in that terrain. The effective speed of a Bofors gun is 16 kmph.

Plus even in times of peace, the IA is already mobilized in the mountains
According to your understanding. Cannons need to pass through simple bridges separately. Do you need the white cannon to be removed from the truck. Then deploy the artillery. Start APU. Then one by one, they pass through these simple bridges. Do you think in this process. Will it cause chaos and crowding?

They never had FH-70 at the start of the conflict. They received some from the Dutch and Italians many months later, which they put to use in the first counteroffensive. The numbers are very few.

And it's still in use
That website is a Ukrainian media outlet that introduces FH70 artillery, is superior to D20 artillery. This is obvious. D20 is a type of artillery the 1950s.

And once again, mountain terrain is different from the plains. You can't just fly around with a drone and spot guns in the mountains or people driving around aimlessly.

You are basically mentioning all the disadvantages PLA faces in Tibet. The effectiveness of artillery in Ukraine war and the easy surveillance in plains are problems for the PLA, not the IA.
From various videos from 2020. The PLA has shown countless videos of using reconnaissance drones on the plateau. Then you deceive yourself. This is fake, don't believe it. May I ask how you determined that the Chinese were unaware of a bridge located 1 kilometer from the front line. Don't Chinese people have reconnaissance satellites? Isn't there a high-altitude drone for reconnaissance? Aren't there any scouts on the front line?
Er... Because you don't have line of sight. I'm not sure you understand how mountains work. A bridge can be 1 km away and you still won't be able to see it.

Also you gotta understand that it's not realistic to attack the bridges, the PLA is better off surveiling and attacking more important targets. Attacking bridges won't change much. And in case PLA gets an advantage somewhere but have destroyed all the bridges, then Indian troops will be cut off and will have to fight to the last man, not a good idea for the PLA.

Warfare has a lot of common sense involved
Since attacking bridges in war is meaningless. So what is the significance of Ukraine's attack on the Antonov and Crimean bridges? There is one more thing. Don't believe that the Indian army will fight until the last person. In 1962. A large number of Indian troops were divided and surrounded by China. They did not choose to stand firm on the spot. Instead, they chose to flee and surrender. Even if there is only one row surrounding them.
 
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Your basic assumption is that the United States can defeat Iraq. It is purely because he engaged in a large amount of bribery and rebellion against the Iraqi army, which is extremely absurd. The Gulf War is different from the Iran Iraq War, in Chinese terms. This is an information-based war. The United States has launched a dimensionality reduction strike on Iraq

So how are you correlating that to what's gonna happen between India and China? Do you even think they correlate here?

Whatever the US did in Iraq, even US generals have claimed that the Iraqis still had the capacity to fight back but they didn't. And the link I posted explains exactly that.

About 75% of Iraqi forces simply abandoned their uniforms and vehicles and went home.

''When the Republican Guard began to deploy anyway, their brigades were devastated from the air.

''The regular army took the hint. Most voted with their feet. Apart from the fedayeen militia, we had a more or less clear run to Baghdad.''


I think you should at least check Wikipedia. I want to find some serious military media to learn more about the detailed situation of the 2014 Donbass War, rather than relying on your imagination.

You can read whatever media you want, the Ukrainians did not fight back in Crimea. And in Donbas, the Russians simply used a lot of firepower to draw the battlelines against a significantly weaker enemy. My opinion was always that the Russians should have taken Donbas right away, say around 2016.
 
Let me briefly introduce the Kargil War, a Pakistani guerrilla force with a battalion size. Occupy a hill in India. India has assembled an absolute advantage in artillery, aircraft, and several times the superior military strength of Pakistan. The Pakistani guerrillas, on the other hand, did not have any artillery or air force support. They only had some light weapons, but the Indian army suffered a major defeat, resulting in nearly 2000 casualties before expelling these Pakistani guerrillas.
Leaving aside the poor performance of the Indian army in other aspects, let's just talk about the artillery. India has deployed a large number of M30 cannons and FH77 howitzers. But these cannons performed very poorly. In Kargill, the air density is low. The plateau has strong crosswinds. Most shells have lost their targets. During decades of war, India did not specifically design a high-altitude Artillery firing table for its artillery units, but in actual combat. They can only gradually correct the landing point of the shells. Finally, a large amount of shells were wasted. Do you think these things can be corrected during training? In the 1960s, China established a plateau Artillery firing table table for its main artillery. I think their actual combat performance is much better than those experienced artillery in India.

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Shooting was so accurate that the infantry would at times call for artillery fire up to 40m, when normal safety distances were much higher.

You have a long way to go.

According to your understanding. Cannons need to pass through simple bridges separately. Do you need the white cannon to be removed from the truck. Then deploy the artillery. Start APU. Then one by one, they pass through these simple bridges. Do you think in this process. Will it cause chaos and crowding?

No. 'Cause we are talking about just 2 to 4 guns. And you have already seen a video of how quickly they can move.

You are probably imagining multiple regiments will drive over 1 little bridge.

That website is a Ukrainian media outlet that introduces FH70 artillery, is superior to D20 artillery. This is obvious. D20 is a type of artillery the 1950s.

No. Look at the date. They still have the guns.

From various videos from 2020. The PLA has shown countless videos of using reconnaissance drones on the plateau. Then you deceive yourself. This is fake, don't believe it. May I ask how you determined that the Chinese were unaware of a bridge located 1 kilometer from the front line. Don't Chinese people have reconnaissance satellites? Isn't there a high-altitude drone for reconnaissance? Aren't there any scouts on the front line?

Drones require line of sight, so they have to fly very close to the bridges, ie, Indian territory. Larger drones are susceptible to enemy fire. Smaller drones are obstructed from view and require line of sight for communications. Do you think the IA is not constantly shooting down Pakistani drones in Kashmir?

The bridges are on the other side of the mountains, not facing China.

Scouts can be used, but the terrain is so difficult that they won't be able to contribute meaningfully to the conflict by just staring at bridges. The same with satellites. Such difficult to train and build resources will be used for more meaningful ventures.

Since attacking bridges in war is meaningless. So what is the significance of Ukraine's attack on the Antonov and Crimean bridges?

You are talking about very important bridges that take years to build. I'm talking about small bridges that take less than a day to build.

There is one more thing. Don't believe that the Indian army will fight until the last person. In 1962. A large number of Indian troops were divided and surrounded by China. They did not choose to stand firm on the spot. Instead, they chose to flee and surrender. Even if there is only one row surrounding them.

Some fought, some retreated, some surrendered. A lot of soldiers surrendered due to lack of orders, or they simply ran out of ammunition or were not relieved. Some units fought to the last man even after running out of ammunition.

In 1962, neither the govt nor the IA were prepared. Today is not 1962.
 
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I don't deny that the Chinese military also has corruption, but compared to India.It is much smaller,

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The Chinese govt and its military are one of the most corrupt systems on the planet.

and the corruption of the Indian army has seriously hindered its progress.

In the IA, corruption is very different from what you think. There is very little corruption during acquisition because of multiple checks and balances. There is corruption when it comes to much smaller things that only make life a little more comfortable. I don't know if you didn't notice, but our generals live upper middle class lives with some rich people benefits like access to clubs. PLA generals are all rich socialites with massive bank balances.

You are quite imaginative.

Since fantasy can make the Chinese army surrender to you through bribery. So why don't you disband all the Indian army. Just prepare enough money for China. I warmly welcome doing so.

There are various ways to bribe soldiers. From as simple as convincing a captain to surrender his platoon or company in exchange for a comfortable stay as a PoW or convince a losing general to surrender and give away information in exchange for immunity and relocation.

How many Russian generals do you think have been killed in Ukraine versus Ukrainian generals?

The problem with communist armies is the top-heavy nature of the ranks. It makes you less capable and more vulnerable. They also don't have as much decision-making powers as Indian generals.

In some cases, our generals have defied civilian orders and made their own plans and were rewarded for it. The best example of that was in 1967, against China. Had the corps commander of the time obeyed the govt, we would have lost Nathu La Pass. And I won't get into the details of what happened in 2002 against Pakistan.

In 2020 as well, it was the field units that decided to attack Chinese troops without taking permission from the chain of command or the civilian govt, and they were also rewarded for it. They managed to regain our face immediately. So even our field commanders can make independent decisions.

Suffice to say, our generals can make international decisions. Whereas your generals are all chained to the CMC, so there are lots of opportunities for loss of face within the peer group, and that makes them vulnerable to coercion and bribery.
 
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I don't deny that the Chinese military also has corruption, but compared to India.It is much smaller, and the corruption of the Indian army has seriously hindered its progress. Since fantasy can make the Chinese army surrender to you through bribery. So why don't you disband all the Indian army. Just prepare enough money for China. I warmly welcome doing so.
Let me briefly introduce the Kargil War, a Pakistani guerrilla force with a battalion size. Occupy a hill in India. India has assembled an absolute advantage in artillery, aircraft, and several times the superior military strength of Pakistan. The Pakistani guerrillas, on the other hand, did not have any artillery or air force support. They only had some light weapons, but the Indian army suffered a major defeat, resulting in nearly 2000 casualties before expelling these Pakistani guerrillas.
Leaving aside the poor performance of the Indian army in other aspects, let's just talk about the artillery. India has deployed a large number of M30 cannons and FH77 howitzers. But these cannons performed very poorly. In Kargill, the air density is low. The plateau has strong crosswinds. Most shells have lost their targets. During decades of war, India did not specifically design a high-altitude Artillery firing table for its artillery units, but in actual combat. They can only gradually correct the landing point of the shells. Finally, a large amount of shells were wasted. Do you think these things can be corrected during training? In the 1960s, China established a plateau Artillery firing table table for its main artillery. I think their actual combat performance is much better than those experienced artillery in India.


According to your understanding. Cannons need to pass through simple bridges separately. Do you need the white cannon to be removed from the truck. Then deploy the artillery. Start APU. Then one by one, they pass through these simple bridges. Do you think in this process. Will it cause chaos and crowding?


That website is a Ukrainian media outlet that introduces FH70 artillery, is superior to D20 artillery. This is obvious. D20 is a type of artillery the 1950s.


From various videos from 2020. The PLA has shown countless videos of using reconnaissance drones on the plateau. Then you deceive yourself. This is fake, don't believe it. May I ask how you determined that the Chinese were unaware of a bridge located 1 kilometer from the front line. Don't Chinese people have reconnaissance satellites? Isn't there a high-altitude drone for reconnaissance? Aren't there any scouts on the front line?

Since attacking bridges in war is meaningless. So what is the significance of Ukraine's attack on the Antonov and Crimean bridges? There is one more thing. Don't believe that the Indian army will fight until the last person. In 1962. A large number of Indian troops were divided and surrounded by China. They did not choose to stand firm on the spot. Instead, they chose to flee and surrender. Even if there is only one row surrounding them.

This is hilarious. Only that Pakistani forum can produce such gems. Mix the arrogance of the chinese heavenly kingdom crap and remnants of the 50 cent army then we have this specimen.
 
You're right. For example, Iraq has rich combat experience in the war. They have considerable practical experience, from generals to soldiers. And relying on these practical experiences, they defeated the Americans. How ignorant you are. The biggest problem for India in the Kargil conflict is. How to make Kong Jun throw bombs on the plateau slightly more accurately, and the artillery fire on the plateau slightly more accurately. Do you think these things cannot be consolidated and improved through exercises and training? Moreover, in the Kassel conflict, India only faced a few Pakistani guerrilla forces who held the high ground
4000 are a decent number of fighters you muppet
 
I don't deny that the Chinese military also has corruption, but compared to India.It is much smaller, and the corruption of the Indian army has seriously hindered its progress. Since fantasy can make the Chinese army surrender to you through bribery. So why don't you disband all the Indian army. Just prepare enough money for China. I warmly welcome doing so.
Don't you literally replace generals on the basis of what the CCP and Xi wants??? You replaced your generals three times within a span of 6 months in the TAR region.