Indian Defence Exports
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Around late 2013 the Russians were proposing to sell their Pantsir-S1 & Tor-M2KM to the Indian military along with the S-400 system as a comprehensive AD package.
They were even proposing mounting the Pantsir-S1 & Tor systems on Indian trucks, namely TATA LPTA 6x6 and 8x8 trucks. TATA motors sold a few of these trucks to the Russians to allow them to mount these systems.
Pantsir-S1 on a TATA LPTA 8x8:
Tor-M2KM on a TATA LPTA 8x8:
This pitch didn't materialize. The Indian side was only interested in the S-400. But as the Russians purchased these trucks, these remained with them.
Few days back photos & videos emerged on twitter of a Pantsir-S1 decoy on a TATA LPTA 6x6 in Mali. The truck is clearly destroyed & abandoned:
So, the theory goes that the Russians may have handed over these trucks to the Wagner group. Wagner is known to be active in Mali & some other African nations. That maybe how this truck ended up there.
As to what happened to it, that's more difficult to speculate on. This truck clearly had a decoy Pantsir system, not the actual Pantsir-S1. The real system needed an 8x8 to support its weight, the decoy was mounted on a 6x6. Also, if this were a real system those missile tubes would have exploded & burned the truck to the ground.
What weapon was used to hit this truck? The tire tracks on sand shows the truck was reversing when it was hit. The crew saw the threat approaching & were maneuvering the truck to dodge the threat. The threat couldn't have been a tank or land-based vehicle, there are no bullet or tank shell holes anywhere on the truck. The threat was likely airborne.
The fire damage is only on the mid-section of the truck. Conventional bombs would have ripped the truck to pieces. This kind of damage is consistent with very small warheads. Loitering munition perhaps.
Weren't the Russians fighting Al-Qaeda/ISIS in Mali? So, Al-Qaeda has loitering munitions ?
They were even proposing mounting the Pantsir-S1 & Tor systems on Indian trucks, namely TATA LPTA 6x6 and 8x8 trucks. TATA motors sold a few of these trucks to the Russians to allow them to mount these systems.
Pantsir-S1 on a TATA LPTA 8x8:
Tor-M2KM on a TATA LPTA 8x8:
This pitch didn't materialize. The Indian side was only interested in the S-400. But as the Russians purchased these trucks, these remained with them.
Few days back photos & videos emerged on twitter of a Pantsir-S1 decoy on a TATA LPTA 6x6 in Mali. The truck is clearly destroyed & abandoned:
So, the theory goes that the Russians may have handed over these trucks to the Wagner group. Wagner is known to be active in Mali & some other African nations. That maybe how this truck ended up there.
As to what happened to it, that's more difficult to speculate on. This truck clearly had a decoy Pantsir system, not the actual Pantsir-S1. The real system needed an 8x8 to support its weight, the decoy was mounted on a 6x6. Also, if this were a real system those missile tubes would have exploded & burned the truck to the ground.
What weapon was used to hit this truck? The tire tracks on sand shows the truck was reversing when it was hit. The crew saw the threat approaching & were maneuvering the truck to dodge the threat. The threat couldn't have been a tank or land-based vehicle, there are no bullet or tank shell holes anywhere on the truck. The threat was likely airborne.
The fire damage is only on the mid-section of the truck. Conventional bombs would have ripped the truck to pieces. This kind of damage is consistent with very small warheads. Loitering munition perhaps.
Weren't the Russians fighting Al-Qaeda/ISIS in Mali? So, Al-Qaeda has loitering munitions ?
Alarm after defence PSU sells explosives to banned German Company
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau
Last Updated: Oct 05, 2024, 11:09:00 PM IST
Alarm bells have rung after a state-owned defence public sector unit sold and delivered close to 500 tons of explosives to a German company, Rheinmetall, which has been debarred from business on corruption charges since 2012. The deliveries took place late last year and early 2024, with a final shipment believed to have been stopped after the matter was brought to notice within the government.
The Indian company, Munitions India Limited (MIL) has had a bonanza of orders from the international market for the past two years as the global demand for explosives has peaked since the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The company has a fully booked production capacity with multiple nations lining up to place orders.
As per records seen by ET, the deal to sell explosives was struck through an intermediary and the first shipment of 144 tons was sent in October 2023. The supply was made to a Spanish company named Expal, which had already been acquired by Rheinmetall as per public records. Two additional shipments were sent, with the final one dispatched in March 2024.
Sources said that while the original contract for delivery was to Expal, the company changed ownership to Rheinmetall and this was not informed to higher authorities. A detailed questionnaire sent to MIL and the defence ministry was not responded to.
Alarm after defence PSU sells explosives to banned German Company
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau
Last Updated: Oct 05, 2024, 11:09:00 PM IST
Synopsis
Munitions India Limited (MIL) sold and delivered almost 500 tons of explosives to Rheinmetall, a German company banned for corruption since 2012. The deal was executed through an intermediary. Shipments began in late 2023 and continued into early 2024. Authorities were alerted and the final shipment was stopped. The event highlights MIL's booming international demand amid Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Munitions India Limited (MIL) sold and delivered almost 500 tons of explosives to Rheinmetall, a German company banned for corruption since 2012. The deal was executed through an intermediary. Shipments began in late 2023 and continued into early 2024. Authorities were alerted and the final shipment was stopped. The event highlights MIL's booming international demand amid Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Alarm bells have rung after a state-owned defence public sector unit sold and delivered close to 500 tons of explosives to a German company, Rheinmetall, which has been debarred from business on corruption charges since 2012. The deliveries took place late last year and early 2024, with a final shipment believed to have been stopped after the matter was brought to notice within the government.
The Indian company, Munitions India Limited (MIL) has had a bonanza of orders from the international market for the past two years as the global demand for explosives has peaked since the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The company has a fully booked production capacity with multiple nations lining up to place orders.
As per records seen by ET, the deal to sell explosives was struck through an intermediary and the first shipment of 144 tons was sent in October 2023. The supply was made to a Spanish company named Expal, which had already been acquired by Rheinmetall as per public records. Two additional shipments were sent, with the final one dispatched in March 2024.
Sources said that while the original contract for delivery was to Expal, the company changed ownership to Rheinmetall and this was not informed to higher authorities. A detailed questionnaire sent to MIL and the defence ministry was not responded to.
Alarm after defence PSU sells explosives to banned German Company
UAE probably. Apparently, Adani defence has already supplied 10 Lakh units of small arms ammo to UAE
Morocco, not UAE:
Armenia might have received export clearance for Pralay missile:
Is there some website were we can check if MIL units are exporting something? Will give us a better idea.
Like do our ports have something of like this.
Multiple export consignment tenders have been floated over the past 12 months by MIL, all contracts are for 6-12 months multiple delivery related.