Indian Defense Industry General News and Updates

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1482248025775177731

All are fine. I'm surprised about the P-8I. Looks like we plan on doingour own thing then, which would be good news.

CG will likely end up with Romeos of their own. It's good that we are not going for more Ka-31s, they are not necessary anymore since manned AWACS are going down the drain.

Mig-29?

 

[Hydra]

All are fine. I'm surprised about the P-8I. Looks like we plan on doingour own thing then, which would be good news.

CG will likely end up with Romeos of their own. It's good that we are not going for more Ka-31s, they are not necessary anymore since manned AWACS are going down the drain.

Mig-29?

P8-I is a really disappointing decision, we are decades away from making anything close to what P8-I is today.

 

[randomradio]

P8-I is a really disappointing decision, we are decades away from making anything close to what P8-I is today.

Not at all. This is in fact the time to make our own stuff now. 2022.

 

[AbRaj]

Not at all. This is in fact the time to make our own stuff now. 2022.

Still waiting for those Extremely Advanced Rusom/Tapas/Tapovan or whatever they are lovingly called these days by DR-Don’t. It’s so frustrating to see that even Yamni militias have more capable and advanced UAVs than India’s premier defence institute.
Even small and insignificant Islamic countries nowadays have better UAVs than DRDO. Even SUPARCO has one.

 

[randomradio]

Still waiting for those Extremely Advanced Rusom/Tapas/Tapovan or whatever they are lovingly called these days by DR-Don’t. It’s so frustrating to see that even Yamni militias have more capable and advanced UAVs than India’s premier defence institute.
Even small and insignificant Islamic countries nowadays have better UAVs than DRDO. Even SUPARCO has one.

DRDO focused so much on high end stuff that middle end stuff fell behind.

Anyway, whatever we need to win wars is where DRDO has focused on. Whereas Rustom isn't a war winning technology. So it's fine falling behind in stuff like this.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Not at all. This is in fact the time to make our own stuff now. 2022.

So we can convert A 320 or Boeing 737 into P8 I

 

[AbRaj]

Anyway, whatever we need to win wars is where DRDO has focused on. Whereas Rustom isn't a war winning technology. So it's fine falling behind in stuff like this.

This “ It’s fine/Chalta hail” attitude of sweeping everything behind the carpet just for the sake of looking good will lead us to disaster someday.
And saying that a UAV is not a war winning technology reeks utter ignorance on your behalf when Forces across the globe are increasingly utilising it for more and innovative roles to gain significant advantage over adversaries, who most of the times are much more heavily equipped than them.
I feel it’s repeat of Overhyping of Su30 mki combined with underestimating of F16 by Indian experts till both met in real life.

It will take only few millions worth of UAVs to destroy those much hyped S400 batteries.
It’ll be a real pity if another “If we had Rafale” saga happens in future.
our forces are used to go into deep sleep mode after every conflict only to be rudely awakened by another.

 

[randomradio]

So we can convert A 320 or Boeing 737 into P8 I

Considering we have plans for indigenous AWACS and ISTAR, indigenisation of the MPA is an obvious transition.

If overall P-8I numbers have been cut short by 50%, then it's obvious an alternative is being planned.

 

[randomradio]

This “ It’s fine/Chalta hail” attitude of sweeping everything behind the carpet just for the sake of looking good will lead us to disaster someday.
And saying that a UAV is not a war winning technology reeks utter ignorance on your behalf when Forces across the globe are increasingly utilising it for more and innovative roles to gain significant advantage over adversaries, who most of the times are much more heavily equipped than them.
I feel it’s repeat of Overhyping of Su30 mki combined with underestimating of F16 by Indian experts till both met in real life.

It will take only few millions worth of UAVs to destroy those much hyped S400 batteries.
It’ll be a real pity if another “If we had Rafale” saga happens in future.
our forces are used to go into deep sleep mode after every conflict only to be rudely awakened by another.

So you're basically saying fighter jets can't survive the S-400, but a Cessna can?

What's so special about these drones?

 

[Hydra]

Not at all. This is in fact the time to make our own stuff now. 2022.

Where is the platform? Where is the radar, forget about the radar, do we have any expertise it developing an algorithm to process the data from radar to produce a meaningful image in line with P-8I. Asper reports it can even see a periscope miles away.

PS: if we are able to purchase ipr of AN70, we can have an aircraft for each and every role.

So we can convert A 320 or Boeing 737 into P8 I

Better option will be AN70,buy IPR of it and use it for our needs. Its as good as A400.
@vstol Jockey if you still have influence on government, please please ask them to explore this option.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Where is the platform? Where is the radar, forget about the radar, do we have any expertise it developing an algorithm to process the data from radar to produce a meaningful image in line with P-8I. Asper reports it can even see a periscope miles away.

PS: if we are able to purchase ipr of AN70, we can have an aircraft for each and every role.

Better option will be AN70,buy IPR of it and use it for our needs. Its as good as A400.
@vstol Jockey if you still have influence on government, please please ask them to explore this option.

I think C 295 might be converted into a Short Range MPA and ASW aircraft

 

[Hydra]

I think C 295 might be converted into a Short Range MPA and ASW aircraft

P-8I is a long range surveillance aircraft,some thing like TU142, intact it's a successor to it. So even if we made a c295 based mpa,it will not serve what P-8 is doing when comes to range alone. C295 may be comparable with IL38 .

 

[AbRaj]

So you're basically saying fighter jets can't survive the S-400, but a Cessna can?

What's so special about these drones?

Cheaper, disposable, risk free, mass producible, smaller and modular so perhaps much more stealthy etc etc.
Also much more suitable for covert and precision ops I assume.

 

[AbRaj]

Where is the platform? Where is the radar, forget about the radar, do we have any expertise it developing an algorithm to process the data from radar to produce a meaningful image in line with P-8I. Asper reports it can even see a periscope miles away.

PS: if we are able to purchase ipr of AN70, we can have an aircraft for each and every role.

Better option will be AN70,buy IPR of it and use it for our needs. Its as good as A400.
@vstol Jockey if you still have influence on government, please please ask them to explore this option.

No one does the stupidity of banning import of something and then starting to develop it later.
Import ban is done only after you have something already in hand (or at least in immediate future).

 

[Hydra]

No one does the stupidity of banning import of something and then starting to develop it later.
Import ban is done only after you have something already in hand (or at least in immediate future).

So what you are trying to convey here? Are we stupid or we are about to crack something?

 

[AbRaj]

So what you are trying to convey here? Are we stupid or we are about to crack something?

Neither, it will get the exemption like many items that are already banned. IN is the least stupid wing amongst the three forces.
P8I is placed in a category ( domestic alternatives are not available) which as per documents, can be exempted from ban in case of necessary.

 

[randomradio]

Cheaper, disposable, risk free, mass producible, smaller and modular so perhaps much more stealthy etc etc.
Also much more suitable for covert and precision ops I assume.

All that's proven to get slaughtered by advanced air defences.

If a drone does not have high end stealth, the S-400 will eat it up for breakfast.

 

[AbRaj]

All that's proven to get slaughtered by advanced air defences.

Isn’t that’s how the strategy works? Forcing enemy to waste its precious imported stuff to shoot down cheap disposal stuff ?
And then it can go one step further by simply overwhelming the limited AD system of yours. Countries like NK and Iran, Yemen, Hezbulla apply similar tactics all the time. Even Israel do.

If a drone does not have high end stealth, the S-400 will eat it up for breakfast.

Good for the few thousand drone to get eaten by million dollar missile and exposing it further to get destroyed by cruise missiles or even enemy SEAD/DEAD package.
I don’t see anything wrong in that

 

[randomradio]

Isn’t that’s how the strategy works? Forcing enemy to waste its precious imported stuff to shoot down cheap disposal stuff ?

A regular drone like Rustom is more expensive than the S-400's missile. The math won't work out when a Rustom costs $5M or more.

And then it can go one step further by simply overwhelming the limited AD system of yours.

Swarm drones and kamikaze drones come into the picture here. And the S-400's answer to that is DEW and EW, which are almost free of cost and easily reloaded.

Countries like NK and Iran, Yemen, Hezbulla apply similar tactics all the time. Even Israel do.

These countries are fighting wars that the US would have fought in the 1980s. Even Israel, 'cause of their enemies.

 

[AbRaj]

A regular drone like Rustom is more expensive than the S-400's missile. The math won't work out when a Rustom costs $5M or more.

I mentioned Rustom/Tapas because all ADA/HAL has to show off is only Rustom. Don’t know if it’s higher end or lower end of capability and price wise.
Chinese and Iranians are producing and selling more capable uavs at 1/4 of the price. (Iranians maybe even lesser)

Swarm drones and kamikaze drones come into the picture here. And the S-400's answer to that is DEW and EW, which are almost free of cost and easily reloaded.

S400 doesn’t have DEW/Lasers and EWS is expensive to develop and operate can be countered cheaply.

These countries are fighting wars that the US would have fought in the 1980s. Even Israel, 'cause of their enemies.

Busting US and European supplied latest ADS is Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Russian S300 (possibly S300PMUs too) in Syria and Armania is not a small achievement. We tend to downplay achievements of others very often forgetting that most of our own ADS are also similar (if not primitive) than those got destroyed in these skirmishes.
Even much hyped pantsir (which we trialled recently) got swatted like mosquitoes