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Currently in US, after trump showing displeasure about amazon they lost huge defence cloud infrastructure contract to Microsoft. No one counted Microsoft as a serious contender till the announcement.

DoD asks judge to let it reconsider decision to give Microsoft $10 billion contract over Amazon

Crony capitalism is inevitable whenever politics and business meets. On a free market there should be enough checks and balances. Our legal system is not able to keep up or give speedy justice.

For example, NCLAT reinstated cyrus mistry as TATA chairman. But cyrus never asked for it!. Wtf was NCLAT thinking? And TATA's had to go to SC to get stay on that order.
 
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So you better let the depositors of the bank suffer ? You think they bailed out the promoters? They lost substantially and the CEO in question is in jail.
Hahahaha, whatever happened to "Free Market"? How does "free, open market" work?

Just like that, I can point you to 999 inefficient broken PSUs.
You asked if any government owned subsidiary is capable, I listed you 3 now you are telling me there are 1000 that failed, do you even know what you are talking about or you have to post for the sake of it.

A 50 member team in my hometown manage more websites than NIC with better service.
Lol, you have no idea, do you?

Anyways you didn't answer the question yet, since you invoked heavy terms like "Hindu Rate of Growth" and "Open Market" how is bailing out private bank fits into this, and also about effect of "tax being purview of state", how does indirect tax affect economy?
 
Rural India has felt more of a squeeze from the slowdown, says Adi Godrej, chairman, Godrej Group

While the discretionary spend in rural areas has not risen as per expectations, FY21 is likely to deliver better numbers than the ongoing fiscal, says Adi Godrej, chairman of the Godrej Group, in an interview to Vikas Srivastava.

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FY21 is likely to deliver better numbers than the ongoing fiscal, says Adi Godrej, chairman of the Godrej Group
While the discretionary spend in rural areas has not risen as per expectations, FY21 is likely to deliver better numbers than the ongoing fiscal, says Adi Godrej, chairman of the Godrej Group, in an interview to Vikas Srivastava.

The hope that GST rationalisation would lead to a 150-bps improvement in the overall GDP growth rate has been belied. In fact, there has been a continuous decline in growth since 2017? What factors could have contributed to the fall?
The implementation of GST itself has been good for the economy, so it would not be correct to attribute the decline in GDP growth to the new tax regime. There are other factors that have contributed to the slowdown we are witnessing. Despite talk of a breakthrough, the China and US trade deal has not happened as yet. The killing of an Iranian general by the Americans may also have impacted the economy; we can’t be sure. So, it’s a combination of geopolitical and other factors that have affected GDP growth. There is no doubt that the economy has slowed down, but it will recover, if only slowly. I expect FY21 to be better than FY20.

The slowdown has cast its shadow across sectors. Has your group felt the impact more severely in the rural or the urban areas?
For FMCG products, the slowdown has been more pronounced in the rural areas, though rural growth was ahead earlier. The rural economy has been impacted by the slowdown in production and an irregular monsoon. Also, the discretionary spend of the rural population has not grown as per expectations. We expect to fare better in FY21, though a lot would depend on government policy going forward.

What steps does the government need to take to boost overall consumption?
There may be no tax on agriculture, but animal husbandry is taxed fully, bringing under the net income from poultry, dairy, fisheries, etc. That affects rural growth.

Is that the reason why Godrej Agrovet did not perform well in FY20?
While it was affected, it has managed to recover from the lows. We expect the business to grow provided the government accepts our suggestion of treating animal husbandry on a par with agriculture.

Which segments of GCPL do you see performing well going forward?
We have done better in the October-December quarter. Our international businesses have been performing as the economies there have done well, especially Indonesia, which is a large market for us. The hair care business is rated number one in Africa; we are also introducing new products in the haircare and repellant segments, besides those to prevent dengue and malaria.

How is the real estate business placed? Are you focussing more on the residential or the commercial segment given the slowdown?
Our real estate business has done very well. Over the last two years we have had record sales. We will continue to grow both businesses though our commercial segment is doing better.

What could have led to that kind of growth at a time construction projects are facing liquidity and demand-related obstacles?
It is mainly reputation. People trust us , ensuring that our projects are lapped up by the market.
There is a lot of focus on online retailing now. Even Godrej Retail is looking at greater online presence.

How do you plan to go about this vis-a-vis, say, Walmart or Reliance?
We do not go through the strategies of other companies, being more of an in-shoppe player. However, we do have plans to increase our online presence. It will be a continuous exercise.

Where do you see India and the Godrej Group in the next five to ten years?
I believe India has a great future. On purchasing power parity, it will be the largest economy in the world by 2050. At present, we are ranked third after China and the US; so we will overtake both. India will also overtake China on population. As far as the Godrej Group is concerned, we will keep growing faster than the economy.
Interview | Rural India has felt more of a squeeze from the slowdown, says Adi Godrej, chairman, Godrej Group
 
Hahahaha, whatever happened to "Free Market"? How does "free, open market" work?
So you dont know what you are talking about ? Another socialist nutjob?

You asked if any government owned subsidiary is capable, I listed you 3 now you are telling me there are 1000 that failed, do you even know what you are talking about or you have to post for the sake of it.
You didnt give one PSU that is capable. You listed some companies which are under a state monopoly. Since you won't understand what that means let me explain, Their entire business is depended on railway or government giving them work without competition.

Only a complete naive would compare both. Now your outrage makes sense.

Lol, you have no idea, do you?
Of course, lover of 'hindu rate of growth' blabbering to get out of conversations.
 
@Tatvamasi & @BlackOpsIndia

On PSU bashing:

a> Governments job is not to run businesses, its job is to govern the country. But in the areas where private industry cannot function either due to enormous capital and slow return on capital employed as well as low ROE, the Government of India stepped in and created PSU's. There were also other considerations such as security, protection R&D and maintaining strategic reserves.

b>PSU's were never meant to be an efficient mechanism if running business, they were a means to an end, i.e. providing Employment opportunity to a large section of society as well as combination points mention in "a". I hope that idea transforms under this government and PSU's actually become a powerhouse of functioning businesses with some private participation ownership and management. (MuL is a great example of the same.)


It is unfortunate but people don't realize that India's unique PSU model is going pay huge dividends in the long run if managed properly. Think of ISRO and it's functioning and it's costs compared to private space labs in the world. There is no reason why BEL, BDL, Ircon, HAL, BHEL, BEML, ONGC, Oil India, Indian Oil, EIL, etc cannot leverage the same model and in the ext 5-10 years emerge as serious competition to the businesses worldwide.


Now coming to yes bank, would love to hear more from both you.
 
So you dont know what you are talking about ? Another socialist nutjob?
Ok, avoid personal comments, even after your absurdly dumb reply where you threw some terms without understanding the topic or meaning of their terms I haven't called you a fool, so let's keep it civil.

Now back to topic, let me try this once again, hope this time you will answer instead of blabbering everything just not what is asked.

How is bailing out a Private Bank a Free/Open Market principle? The one you passionately told us about.

How does indirect tax affect economy and consequently how will increase in indirect tax will save India from "Hindu Rate of Growth"?

Eitherway I was just trying to make sense of your reply as the terms you used were exactly opposite to the context and instead of providing any clarification you only doubled downed on them.

Feel free to revert and keep it civil.
 
How is bailing out a Private Bank a Free/Open Market principle? The one you passionately told us about.

Individuals see the long term sense in investments, Short algorithms for machine trading do not.
Yes bank has had exposure to IL&FS, ADAG, Jet, DHFL, Cox and kings, Zee, etc.

Let's not forget when the money was lent to these organizations, they were not doing poorly by any means. Il&FS was touted as king of NBFC's ADAG's Reliance Infra and Reliance Capital were big players; we often forget that till 2014-15 Reliance's Multicap fund has the highest average return in the world and stood as the case study for fund managers across the world. Similarly, Zee was setting up to become global news and media group, and then there was DHFL, the darling of NBFC's, Sharukh Khan endorsing their ads, business channels lining up to get interviews from Mr. Wadhwan.

Organizations that Yes Bank lent to, like IL&FS, ADAG, Jet, DHFL, Cox and kings, Zee, guess who else lent them money? it was SBI, PnB, IOB, Dena, and other PSU's too. The PSU bank went scott free, because majority shareholding is of GoI, they have rarely paid any dividends and they were recapitalized by RBI and have never really faced any capital problems ever. Yes bank did not have this "Chatra-Chaya".

Now despite my disdain for Chota Ambani, his antics will actually pay off in some years, Mota bhai will take care of that, and not all is lost in ADAG NPA, similarly, IIFL will make a comeback with their Infra projects coming back online. Zee is already on recovery and less than 20% of the NPA's are a writeoff.

There is a very good reason that SBI other Private banks along with the Big Bull Himself have thrown themselves in the ring. There is value to recover in the Yes Bank, and within 5 years if run well, it will recover its entire market cap + the Growth rate. Essentially you got a fully functioning well-established bank and it's an operational asset at throwaway prices. Sure it's a gamble, but it definitely is a gamble worth taking.

There government is not doing anyone any favors in this bailout, it stands to make billions in the process.
 
Ok, avoid personal comments, even after your absurdly dumb reply where you threw some terms without understanding the topic or meaning of their terms I haven't called you a fool, so let's keep it civil.

Now back to topic, let me try this once again, hope this time you will answer instead of blabbering everything just not what is asked.

How is bailing out a Private Bank a Free/Open Market principle? The one you passionately told us about.

How does indirect tax affect economy and consequently how will increase in indirect tax will save India from "Hindu Rate of Growth"?

Eitherway I was just trying to make sense of your reply as the terms you used were exactly opposite to the context and instead of providing any clarification you only doubled downed on them.

Feel free to revert and keep it civil.
There you go, taking moral high ground.

I replied with clarity here, You used 'hahaha', lol to skip having a discussion.

Is that rhetorical ? or do i have to explain how economy works now?


So you better let the depositors of the bank suffer ? You think they bailed out the promoters? They lost substantially and the CEO in question is in jail.


Every economy will have failed businesses. We fixed bankruptcy issue of regular businesses with IBC but we yet do not have an effective system for financial systems.

Financial Sector Legislative Reforms Commission (FSLRC) recommendations should be implemented as fast as possible.

Which is exactly i was saying, We did not reform fast enough.


Common man paid the same when Crude was at $60. For him it doesnt matter when inflation is under control.


Increasing tax has nothing to do with free market !. Tax is in purview of the state everywhere.


There is no freaking context on saying we should have given to a non existent PSU instant of top five indian ITS.


Just like that, I can point you to 999 inefficient broken PSUs.

From the example, First two took 30 years to evolve to become effective in their specific domain which cannot hold water to any big indian IT firms. A 50 member team in my hometown manage more websites than NIC with better service.

And NPCI is not a PSU. But its 51% owned by PSU banks. Huge distinction. RBI is even trying make an alternative to it make it a market system.


Capacity is build with market incentives (competition) to make it efficient. Not by investing decades on useless reservation seekers and hoping it will turn good someday.



Dont call out on others using heavy words when you go all melodramatic 'common man is screwed' and 'they should make Antilia as new GoI headquarters'.


Let me try to explain again ELI5:
  • "increase cash flow" from tax goes?
Try union budget for starter
  • How is common man pays the same?
Because the price is oil is same for the end consumer !
  • Shouldn't the deregulated Petrol and diesel governed by free market pass on the benefit to consumer when they pass on the increase every single day?
Increasing tax has nothing to do with free market !. Tax is in purview of the state everywhere.
  • Bailout of Private Bank a Free/Open Market principle?
It is not. We do not have an efficient bankruptcy system for financial institutions. FSLRC recommendations should be implemented as fast as possible.
  • Comparison of TCS with small PSUs you listed?
There is no comparison. One side exist only because they are monopoly. Which is even worst than your so called 'corny capitalism'
  • How does indirect tax affect economy and consequently how will increase in indirect tax will save India from "Hindu Rate of Growth"?
Two different points. 1)We are no longer in 'Hindu rate of growth' thanks to liberalisation and we will not be going there anytime soon because we have ever growing young consumer base. 2) In 5-6 years excise duty increase $15 billion. It has become a huge revenue source to the Consolidated fund of india. Increase in spending to the infrastructure can be considered as the outcome from it.

If you could not understand and answer with civility i would be standing by the 'socialist nutjob' comment.
 
  • "increase cash flow" from tax goes?
Try union budget for starter
That union budget does/will not contain provision for bailing out of Yes Bank in this case?

What else did I say? I said my tax money will be used to bail these banks out, in short and clear form but trying to act over smart you inserted free market, socialism, cash inflow and what not for what?

I will make it simpler for you, Will my tax money be used to bail out Yes Bank or not?

  • How is common man pays the same?
Because the price is oil is same for the end consumer !
Seriously!? When crude oil, the main component is tanking so badly and Indian consumer is still paying the high price you come up with this BS?

  • Shouldn't the deregulated Petrol and diesel governed by free market pass on the benefit to consumer when they pass on the increase every single day?
Increasing tax has nothing to do with free market !. Tax is in purview of the state everywhere.
Another Gem.

  • Bailout of Private Bank a Free/Open Market principle?
It is not.
Finally, now don't throw these words like fool without the context.

  • How does indirect tax affect economy and consequently how will increase in indirect tax will save India from "Hindu Rate of Growth"?
Two different points. 1)We are no longer in 'Hindu rate of growth' thanks to liberalisation and we will not be going there anytime soon because we have ever growing young consumer base. 2) In 5-6 years excise duty increase $15 billion. It has become a huge revenue source to the Consolidated fund of india. Increase in spending to the infrastructure can be considered as the outcome from it.
1st is again useless blabbering without any relation to the question.
2nd is little logical but from where do you think these $15 Billion come? From pocket of consumer, right?

Now with these extra $15 Billions some consumers would have increased spending, thereby creating demand, some may have saved it thereby providing capital to banks for loans and industrial expansion to cater for demand, eitherway it would be used to propel economy.

The Infra is generally build from borrowings, cheap borrowings from international players, you don't need to kill end consumer and demand in economy that's why indirect taxes are considered bad for economy.

Hope it is little clear, hyperlinking CFI does not substitute for clarity and content. Seems like you are just starting to learn these terms, reading newspapers and books, I wish you good luck with your prepration or whatever you are trying.

Socialist nutjob will be the one supporting Yes Bank bail out, in this case it is you not me so you really need to differentiate between different terms instead of confusing them with each other. Good day.
 
That union budget does/will not contain provision for bailing out of Yes Bank in this case?
This is hilarious :eek: Consolidated fund is not used to restructure companies but SBI and other private banks are buying up all the shares of Yes.

Will my tax money be used to bail out Yes Bank or not?
It is not genius.

Seriously!? When crude oil, the main component is tanking so badly and Indian consumer is still paying the high price you come up with this BS?
'high price' is relative to inflation. There is no high inflation and moderate inflation is required for growth. When crude oil price increases they cut tax. When crude oil price breached ~$100 they took huge oil bonds to mitigate passing it to consumer.(1.3 lakh cr yet to pay on it) Now the opposite is happening.

Normal consumer only cares about inflation and govt its political consequences. When its the other way its govts call on tax.

Another Gem.
You started with saying corporate taking all the money then its where the tax money goes now its meh im out.

Finally, now don't throw these words like fool without the context.
Cute coming from 'common man is screwed' and 'they should make Antilia as new GoI headquarters'.

I never said that bailing out any company is governments business. But there is no alternative system for financial institutions like other actual free market. But who am i convincing?

Moral high ground still stand for calling fool?

Socialist nutjob will be the one supporting Yes Bank bail out, in this case it is you not me so you really need to differentiate between different terms instead of confusing them with each other. Good day.
I called you so for your melodramatic outrage and refusing to understand how its a systemic problem on how to deal with badly managed banks. Looks like it touched a nerve. Thats what happens when you only know everything half.
 
A fool in all its glory :)

FM Nirmala Sitharaman announces PSU bank recapitalisation of Rs 70,000 crore

And this is not one time thing, guess where this money comes from? But don't stop, carry on, what a waste of time.
Bank recapitalisation is not for buying Yes bank you genius. It is to shore up the capital reserve so that they can lend more.

Recapitalisation will involve two legs first, banks will subscribe to bonds floated by the government. In the second leg , The money collected by the government goes bank to banks in the form of equity capital as government increases its share of equity holding, thereby shoring up banks' capital reserves. The money invested by banks in recapitalisation bonds is classified as an investment which earns them an interest. This helps the government in maintaining its fiscal deficit target as no money directly goes out from its coffers.

So you are a socialist dystopian aren't you? How about learning these basic concepts before calling others fool.

SBI is buying 49% of shares for Rs 10, which is a good value. 51% of the money for Yes bank comes from private banks and individuals. Which means it there is still value in its holdings and bank can be salvaged.
 
Bank recapitalisation is not for buying Yes bank you genius. It is to shore up the capital reserve so that they can lend more.

Recapitalisation will involve two legs first, banks will subscribe to bonds floated by the government. In the second leg , The money collected by the government goes bank to banks in the form of equity capital as government increases its share of equity holding, thereby shoring up banks' capital reserves. The money invested by banks in recapitalisation bonds is classified as an investment which earns them an interest. This helps the government in maintaining its fiscal deficit target as no money directly goes out from its coffers.

So you are a socialist dystopian aren't you? How about learning these basic concepts before calling others fool.

SBI is buying 49% of shares for Rs 10, which is a good value. 51% of the money for Yes bank comes from private banks and individuals. Which means it there is still value in its holdings and bank can be salvaged.
You are Googling the topic, posting the first article that comes up and passing it as your own comment :) not just that even in that article you are cleverly picking up lines that suits you and not posting lines that supports what you are trying to counter.

How childish :)
 
Bank recapitalisation is not for buying Yes bank you genius. It is to shore up the capital reserve so that they can lend more.

Recapitalisation will involve two legs first, banks will subscribe to bonds floated by the government. In the second leg , The money collected by the government goes bank to banks in the form of equity capital as government increases its share of equity holding, thereby shoring up banks' capital reserves. The money invested by banks in recapitalisation bonds is classified as an investment which earns them an interest. This helps the government in maintaining its fiscal deficit target as no money directly goes out from its coffers.

So you are a socialist dystopian aren't you? How about learning these basic concepts before calling others fool.

SBI is buying 49% of shares for Rs 10, which is a good value. 51% of the money for Yes bank comes from private banks and individuals. Which means it there is still value in its holdings and bank can be salvaged.
Dear Google Scholar,

If you read Indian Banking, it's evolution and history or just how a bank function one thing will always remain constant. Banks getting capital from masses, loaning them to Industries. This system works well till the time most people are paying back the loans but due to political influence when loans are given to fraudulent companies banks goes into trouble and like old tested times for the greater good of people Government bail out the banks, and government dont have money of its own, it's all public money (taxes, natural resources and borrowings).

This is not happening today, it's been happening from good old times. Only now few people are making massive defaults, same people or people closely associated with ruling party, both BJP and Congress.

Now if in your tiny little world questioning this, asking BJP to be different from Congress and break this chain, to punish the people putting exceptional stress on economy is "socialist" please find a good psychiatrist. You can get stuck into syntax and stay ignorant but its a very simple concept and how things work.

Regards