Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Apart from the faster and long-range missile system, We need to concentrate on developing indigenous MANPADS similar to 9K333 Verba which uses Three-channel optical seeker Guidance system (ultraviolet, near-infrared, mid-infrared) ... This product will be useful against both CHINA and PAKISTAN.
 
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TARGET said:
Apart from the faster and long-range missile system, We need to concentrate on developing indigenous MANPADS similar to 9K333 Verba which uses Three-channel optical seeker Guidance system (ultraviolet, near-infrared, mid-infrared) ... This product will be useful against both CHINA and PAKISTAN.
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There are MANPADs under development. 2 of them it seems, I am not sure though. I did have some diagrams, I don't remember where I kept them. I will post if I find them. RCI-DRDO is involved with the IR seeker and guidance system, ARDE is making the motor and the airframe. Don't know who is making the launcher.
 
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Chain Smoker said:
o bhai it is drdo project which was sanctioned in 2013 Russian assistance was taken to develop ramjet engine it is not a joint venture like Brahmos.
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SFDR right now is only a demonstrator/technology program, so it's not like Brahmos, but it is headed that way once it becomes a proper military program with ASRs/SQRs. But at the same time, it's called a joint project. If it was merely assistance, then they wouldn't use the term. It's because in a joint project, each side brings their own specialisation into the project. So the Russians brought their ramjet engine while DRDO is contributing something else.

Both Saurav Jha and Shiv Aroor call it a joint project, so that's the status of the program. Even a DRDO scientist called the Russians "partners". No one uses such a term if there was only assistance involved. Let's see if new information comes up in the future that will explain more.
 
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Now, where does dhruvastra fit into all this?
 
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Now, where does dhruvastra fit into all this?
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Yes, It's confusing but all the names are variants of the NAG missile System

  1. NAMICA - IA owned NAG missile System for tracked, amphibious, armored ‘missile-carrier’ vehicle based on the BMP chassis
  2. HELINA - IA AVIATION owned NAG missile system for ALH
  3. DHURVASTRA - IAF owned NAG missile system for LCH
  4. SANT - IA AVIATION owned missile with active seeker for Lock-on after launch and Lock-on before launch capabilities (NAG is with IR seeker )
  5. MPATGM - IA owned NAG missile for "man-portable" version
 
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randomradio said:
SFDR right now is only a demonstrator/technology program, so it's not like Brahmos, but it is headed that way once it becomes a proper military program with ASRs/SQRs. But at the same time, it's called a joint project. If it was merely assistance, then they wouldn't use the term. It's because in a joint project, each side brings their own specialisation into the project. So the Russians brought their ramjet engine while DRDO is contributing something else.

Both Saurav Jha and Shiv Aroor call it a joint project, so that's the status of the program. Even a DRDO scientist called the Russians "partners". No one uses such a term if there was only assistance involved. Let's see if new information comes up in the future that will explain more.
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No ramjet engine is developed by drdo with Russian assistance.
 
randomradio said:
Okay, I hope you're right.
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it is no longer a TD now it has been converted into full fledged programme for developing long range AAM and cruise missile. Russian themselves have tested SFDR based AAM this year.
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Chain Smoker said:
it is no longer a TD now it has been converted into full fledged programme for developing long range AAM and cruise missile. Russian themselves have tested SFDR based AAM this year.
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Not yet. They plan to start a program after SFDR testing is complete. The new missile has to undergo its own design and testing phase. This is a pretty long term program though.

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The Russians are naturally way ahead compared to us.
 
randomradio said:
Not yet. They plan to start a program after SFDR testing is complete. The new missile has to undergo its own design and testing phase. This is a pretty long term program though.



The Russians are naturally way ahead compared to us.
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Tender has been issued for carriage and release trials for sfdr.
 
TARGET said:
Yes, It's confusing but all the names are variants of the NAG missile System

  1. NAMICA - IA owned NAG missile System for tracked, amphibious, armored ‘missile-carrier’ vehicle based on the BMP chassis
  2. HELINA - IA AVIATION owned NAG missile system for ALH
  3. DHURVASTRA - IAF owned NAG missile system for LCH
  4. SANT - IA AVIATION owned missile with active seeker for Lock-on after launch and Lock-on before launch capabilities (NAG is with IR seeker )
  5. MPATGM - IA owned NAG missile for "man-portable" version
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Every ATGM is not directly related to NAG. Its not possible to make a 14 kg missile based on ~50 kg NAG. But, there will be miniaturized common tech.
 
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Chain Smoker said:
Tender has been issued for carriage and release trials for sfdr.
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Of course, it will go through a cycle of development until TRL 7-equivalent. Currently, it's finishing/finished TRL 6-equivalent, which involves ground testing. TRL 7 will see flight demonstration.

SFDR is a technology demonstration program, no different from HSTDV or RLV-TD or LRFJ.

Once the TD program is complete, the application program will begin. And this is when the IAF will create ASR for an AAM. And then the AAM program will begin with its own design stage followed by development testing, certification and induction. For now the TD program will take 3 years to complete. Its induction as a BVR missile will happen sometime in the late 20s or early 30s. Right now, it's not an IAF program.
 
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