Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

I already mentioned silently. otherwise sanctions wouldn't be far. This is commonsense.
Most people here can't deal with honesty . But we need critics like you. Believe me , there are few people like me out here who really value your incisive comments and critiques. Keep 'em coming.
 
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all the parts are being imported from outside, silently and then they say oh it's indigenous development.
Be it INS or GPS or whatsoever
the fact is none of the tech originated in India. Neither there is any research on it
No bloody inovation.

all the concepts are western concept.

You sound like politician, be specific.

Most people here can't deal with honesty . But we need critics like you. Believe me , there are few people like me out here who really value your incisive comments and critiques. Keep 'em coming.

Nah, you're just bored
 
I already mentioned silently. otherwise sanctions wouldn't be far. This is commonsense.
So basically you got no proof. No idea how military tech transfer work. No idea about different parts of a missile to point out what is being imported.

Seeker:
IRDE-Developed+IIR+Seeker+Assembly+Section+for+NAG+ATGM.jpg

DRDO-developed+MMW+seeker+for+HELINA-4.jpg


Since you mentions navigation, RLG for primary nav sensor for strategic missiles.(Remember these are MEMS)
MINGS.jpg

Back up INS:
RINS+++GPS.jpg


From Five year old presentation by Sarawat.
Ncawpal.jpg


Development of these took painstakingly long and hard but they end of the day they delivered state of the art systems. Anyone following development last decade can see this. Appreciate when they deserve.
 
Every one knows how blue prints are transfered. It wasn't India to design seeker tech. We never knew about seeker. We rather learnt ot took it from outside. And then tried our hands. And still we do the same.

We follow their technology. Even the adhesive and seal to make such seekers water resistant are not made in india.

So basically you got no proof. No idea how military tech transfer work. No idea about different parts of a missile to point out what is being imported.

Seeker:
IRDE-Developed+IIR+Seeker+Assembly+Section+for+NAG+ATGM.jpg

DRDO-developed+MMW+seeker+for+HELINA-4.jpg


Since you mentions navigation, RLG for primary nav sensor for strategic missiles.(Remember these are MEMS)
MINGS.jpg

Back up INS:
RINS+++GPS.jpg


From Five year old presentation by Sarawat.
Ncawpal.jpg


Development of these took painstakingly long and hard but they end of the day they delivered state of the art systems. Anyone following development last decade can see this. Appreciate when they deserve.
 
You sound like politician, be specific.

Our scientists are not capable enough to bring news ideas or technology into reality.
For example , seeker technology Be it what ever seeker, made of any material has already been developed or tested in the west. Indians are only following and working on their pattern and path. Because they have no other choice.
A new seeker which state of the art technology is would never be developed in india. indians scientists visiting abroad for training is a known fact.
How many scientists from west visit India for training?
 
Our scientists are not capable enough to bring news ideas or technology into reality.
For example , seeker technology Be it what ever seeker, made of any material has already been developed or tested in the west. Indians are only following and working on their pattern and path. Because they have no other choice.
A new seeker which state of the art technology is would never be developed in india. indians scientists visiting abroad for training is a known fact.
How many scientists from west visit India for training?

Nobody gives seeker technology, you have to make it yourself.
 
Our scientists are not capable enough to bring news ideas or technology into reality.
For example , seeker technology Be it what ever seeker, made of any material has already been developed or tested in the west. Indians are only following and working on their pattern and path. Because they have no other choice.
A new seeker which state of the art technology is would never be developed in india. indians scientists visiting abroad for training is a known fact.
How many scientists from west visit India for training?
Dude you got completely Rekt by @Ashwin apply some ice on your butt and move on.

Astra microwave have developed lots of components for Nag missile I've seen the components personally.

Also if west / someone develops a technology that does not automatically gets transferred to you , also nobody gives you blueprints , and getting blueprints is not enough you have to develop the required manufacturing / applied aspect of that blueprint ask China.

If US sent a probe to Mars that doesn't mean they gave us the know-how to do it , also the exchange of students has to do with pack of quality infrastructure and investment in education sector on top of that we have so much population and competition foreigners would never be able to crack our draconian entrance exams.
 
Nag failed to clear summer trials in dessert for almost a decade because the imported seeker can't differentiate between temperature of tank and the sand surrounding it during noon.

It took an indigenous seeker to finally achieve this.And people still want to give credit to some random foreigner for this.
Source.
 
Astra microwave have developed lots of components for Nag missile I've seen the components personally

And these componets are based on the platforms which were developed in the west 15 years ago. LOL
blueprints is not enough you have to develop the required manufacturing / applied aspect of that blueprint ask China


Let's not beat around the bush and be honest to our ownselves. Let's stop doing propagandas!

We are not even 10% of Chinese industrial and manufacture capability. Let's not compare ourselves with others especially china.

So in the end you have to go to the west otherwise, if we were so capable, we would have been developing our own MmrcA. LOL. The concept of cryogenics did not originate in India, the concept of seeker tech did not originate in India, the concept of mircowave did not originate in India, the concept of all the laws and technologies, how many originate in India? Not even 5%

Now quantum computation will soon take the place of cryptography. Now this again we have no clues what's going on. INO is down because we are not able to find talent.

Buddy, I am fully aware of our capabilities and what we are upto.


I am fully aware that how your ISRO scientists make visit to west. Don't want to indulge into more unnecessary arguments.


Nobody gives seeker technology, you have to make it yourself.
BS!
Another propaganda to hide incapabilities.

Just like @Ashwin is master of that.
 
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our great scientists want Israel to help them ..


Indigenous seeker technology MY FOOT!!!
Seeker technology will revolutionise Indian Defence — Indian Defence Update

The talks for wrapping up the deal are in advanced stage between the two countries and Israel has agreed to transfer the expertise to develop and manufacture Seeker technology

Another indigenous development. Based on Russian seeker technology.
Copy and paste.

Indigenous technology tested on BrahMos supersonic missile
Supersonic cruise missile BrahMos was on Thursday successfully flight-tested for the first time with an indigenous seeker. So far, the seeker, a critical technology in missiles, had come from Russia.
 
Nag failed to clear summer trials in dessert for almost a decade because the imported seeker can't differentiate between temperature of tank and the sand surrounding it during noon.

It took an indigenous seeker to finally achieve this.And people still want to give credit to some random foreigner for this.
Source.


Reason: past 10years we were not in MTCR nor Wassenar arrangement. With inclusion in both India got access to more critical technology.
 
BS!
Another propaganda to hide incapabilities.

Just like @Ashwin is master of that.

It is no propaganda. Nobody gives seeker tech. Over the next 2 years, India will become fully self-sufficient when it comes to seekers.

Even the Russians are now contemplating importing Brahmos seekers from India. And anti-ship seekers are really hard to design.

The Israel article is actually referring to the MRSAM program, not "seeker technology". They are only providing a license to manufacture their Barak seeker in India. It has nothing to do with RCI's and DRDO's indigenous R&D. We can't use this stuff on other systems.
 
The Israel article is actually referring to the MRSAM program, not "seeker technology"
INCLUDES SEEKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are only providing a license to manufacture their Barak seeker in India.

Only a lame duck will think that. And only stupids will furnish details.
Even the Russians are now contemplating importing Brahmos seekers from India. And anti-ship seekers are really hard to design.

Nonsense.
The real reason is, per unit cost would reduce!!!!!
 
Now quantum computation will soon take the place of cryptography. Now this again we have no clues what's going on.

Quantum systems are high end research projects that will bear fruit by 2025. There is plenty of stuff happening within DRDO labs.

We are working on everything that the entire world is working on.
 
Quantum systems are high end research projects that will bear fruit by 2025. There is plenty of stuff happening within DRDO labs.

We are working on everything that the entire world is working on.

yes indeed but with correction

We are working on everything that entire world ( west) has already worked upon and it's their findings.

lol



Regardless, it means even Russia is willing to import Indian designed seekers.

Wrong design is russian outsourced to Indians for cheap manufacturing.