I think it's 1971 was the last major naval conflict which involves subs.
Which is better for India to counter Pakistan & china ,AC or Subsurface fleet? Or is it wise to shelve 3rd AC infavour of 6ssn?
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Which is better for India to counter Pakistan & china ,AC or Subsurface fleet? Or is it wise to shelve 3rd AC infavour of 6ssn?
I think only @vstol Jockey can comment on it.
Its a question of Sea Control vs Sea Denial
India’s Approach to the Indian Ocean Region: From Sea Control to Sea Denial
Given the budget constraints, the Indian Navy’s approach should change from sea control to sea denial
thediplomat.com
Sea Denial is indeed easier to achieve. In the long run, we can aspire to have full Sea control on IOR.
This was the strategy of PN for long, did they achieve their goals? And now they are also increasing their surface fleet strength.Its a question of Sea Control vs Sea Denial
India’s Approach to the Indian Ocean Region: From Sea Control to Sea Denial
Given the budget constraints, the Indian Navy’s approach should change from sea control to sea denialthediplomat.com
Sea Denial is indeed easier to achieve. In the long run, we can aspire to have full Sea control on IOR.
And sea denial can be defeated with co-ordinated search between anti submarine ships and ASW Copters assisted with dunking sonars.
The subs role in the US victory over Japan is huge. At the end Japan lost all its commercial ship and Japan was petrol empty.
Subs and air fleet role are the same : you can't win just with it, but it's impossible to win without.
Both are required.
Subs to deny any enemy to come even close to the country's maritime coastal areas of interest and surface fleet especially aircraft carrier to take war into the enemies coast. It acts like a deterrent. Once enemy knows that it just can't enter our coast and at the same time he's aware that during war we can take war to its coast, any talk of war subsides and peace talks take over to end any conflict of interest.....
I am not denying that you need subsurface fleet along with surface fleets. But question is wheather it wise to build up subsurface fleet at the expense of a superior AC.
In WW2,it is the AC fleet of USN brought victory over japanese,not it's submarines. At the beginning of WW2,Germans are much ahead in submarine fleets but with a weak surface fleet, rest is history.
And in modern world you cannot attack civilian cargos with submarines like what you guys has done in past too.
I think a nice fleet of subs (and in my mine we are then speaking of SSN) can smash any foe surface fleet.
The contrary is not true.
I disagree about the civilian cargos : a submarine is a nice weapon to destroy it ! any heavy torpedo can broke in two a civilian ship.
yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Its a cat & mouse type game, but i think countering a sub is bit easy once u detected it.
A sub is technically capable to destroy any ship, but tuat sort of war strategy will not work among civilized modern countries, you will be alienated in international community the day you attack a civilian vesdel.
If you can churn out 3 billion for 30 drones and comm you can definitely fund a few SSN's. The question is do you have the capability to design and manufacture them.It's a question of money more than anything
we are speaking of SSN. the modern ones are able to cruise stealthy up to 15knots. They are agile, stealthy, not so easy to detect and then track.
If needed they can go to 30 knots for hours... no surface ship can compete.
A SSK, even with AIP, is far from that.
In case of a not to far China-USA war, the american silent servicewill be a weapon of choice. US subs are in numbers, all of high to very high quality, served by skilled teams. No way for china whose subs are fewer, more noisy, without the decades of training of the sole blue water navy.
The Brazilian case is a nice exemple (but their SSN built on the Scorpene subs technology not built so far... ).
India have the nuclear powerplant thechnology with boomer. You just have to reduce the size of it, as made by all the others before (USA, Russia, GB, France...)
This makes so much more sense. They already got AoN from DAC (A few years back) now waiting for CCS clearance.
For Navy, 6 nuclear-powered submarines take priority over 3rd aircraft carrier
India’s emphasis on submarines to counter China comes against the backdrop of Beijing raising its capacity to build a destroyer in just 5 years.t.co
Hard to believe SSN program is yet to get AoN and still contemplating which partner to choose. As the reporter has bad reputation will have to wait and watch.
For Pakistan K-15 is enough and that is deployed, for sure...
And for that matter K-4 too is deployed. Evidence Dragon going back with its Tail tucked between its Legs and twisted panties and confident Indian armed forces throwing their soldiers into the galwan valley and dragon licking it's wounds doing nothing...
It is unlikely for IN to reveal the deployment of K-series strategic missiles which form our nuclear triad
India's nuclear sharks
A long-delayed project nears CCS clearance even as India's submarine force gets long in the tooth. Why the N-powered attack submarine project has taken so long
India's nuclear sharks
A long-delayed project nears CCS clearance even as India's submarine force gets long in the tooth. Why the N-powered attack submarine project has taken so longwww.indiatoday.in
While I'm glad that the submarine program is going ahead, I think the govt has been suckered into the propaganda that it's easy to kill a carrier. The Americans have done a very good job of pushing such propaganda covertly, and it's obvious that the only ones suckered into believing this are those who have never sailed in their lives.
The reason why a submarine is dangerous is all because of its ability to avoid line of sight. A submarine rarely enters line of sight, hence it's difficult to track and kill. But people forget that a carrier works in the same way, ie, by staying out of line of sight. While a submarine has the ability to hide from sensors, a carrier battle group has the ability to hide from sensors using distance/range, as well as kill the sensor if necessary, it doesn't matter where the sensor is; air, land, sea, subsea or space.
I hope that the navy seriously pushes for a carrier program after the SSNs are dealt with. It's fine even if there's a year or two of delays, the design itself will take many years to complete anyway, so a huge chunk of the spending will happen the next decade.
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