Indian Railways Junction
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Does the mathematics ie the refurbishment costs make sense ? Remember it's a DEMU they're talking about not a locomotive . @Ankit Kumar
Railways to acquire new rolling stock worth Rs 3.14 trillion in FY24
- 1,000 eight-coach Vande Bharat trains to cost Rs 65,000 cr
- 2,000 locomotives for Rs 36,000 cr
- 10,000 LHB coaches to be bought for Rs 27,500 cr
- 300 Vande metros to cost Rs 22,500 cr
- 35 hydrogen trains, 50,000 advanced technology freight wagons, 51,000 regular freight wagons also in the pipeline
Railways to acquire new rolling stock worth Rs 3.14 trillion in FY24
300 Vande metros, 1000 8-coach Vande Bharats, hydrogen trains in the works
Where exactly they will run these Vande bharat trains? Inherently the ticket prices are high and I don’t think there are hundreds of routes that can absorb these high prices. For example, Nagpur - Bilaspur train is running at 50% capacity!! They should move to sleeper trains and run them during night time. Hyderabad - Bangalore route can absorb 5 trains, if run during nighttime!!Railways to acquire new rolling stock worth Rs 3.14 trillion in FY24
- 1,000 eight-coach Vande Bharat trains to cost Rs 65,000 cr
- 2,000 locomotives for Rs 36,000 cr
- 10,000 LHB coaches to be bought for Rs 27,500 cr
- 300 Vande metros to cost Rs 22,500 cr
- 35 hydrogen trains, 50,000 advanced technology freight wagons, 51,000 regular freight wagons also in the pipeline
Railways to acquire new rolling stock worth Rs 3.14 trillion in FY24
300 Vande metros, 1000 8-coach Vande Bharats, hydrogen trains in the workswww.business-standard.com
One thing I've discovered about this government is fast implementation with lots of hype with a sketchy plan & not much thought into the long term perspective.
For eg Sudanshu Mani pointed out that the tracks aren't upgraded meaning for trainsets built to run at 180kmph but which've achieved 200 kmph in testing & are advised to average around 150 kmph by IR nos throughout the journey would be running at < 100 kmph. In due course when the novelty wears off & people discover they're paying a 30% + premium for cutting down journey time by half an hour they'd stop patronizing these trains.
Secondly China ensured tech transfer of all foreign firms with local partners in order to sell their trainsets, locomotives, metro trains etc there which has ensured the latter absorbed the tech & within slightly less than 2 decades began churning out their own indigenous models right upto bullet trains / high speed trains.
We've no such plan till date which can be seen from the metro coaches we stil import & the RRTS trainsets which are older designs now rehashed & sold as IDDM by Alsthom. To make matters worse the clause for participation in the tender mandated prior experience which disqualified Train 18 .
Now we've reached a stage where foreign OEMs would be mfg in India utilizing Indian government factories & labor under a special scheme to churn out various versions of the VB trainsets. No idea how they'd take care of the patents issue here but instead of promoting home grown brands like Medha we're giving a boost to the Turnover of foreign giants like Alsthom Siemens etc
Plenty of other issues for want of a proper roadmap too.
Agreed. They should now focus improving tracks. At least now they are working on Vande metro which will get into rrts routes. They should also work on actual metro since they have enough experience now. Alstom and Siemens should be out of Indian market by 2030.
The way these idiots have planned , I fear they'd gobble up local entities by 2030 .
Yeah that route has low occupancy . But so far over all occupancy around all routes is 99% . Though public transport around the world not supposed to be super profitable , it looks great so far . Dont know how it is going to be as more trains come along . There might be a critical occupancy rate beyond which it is loss making . Dont know what it is for vandebharat train .
Vande Bharat running at an average capacity of 99%
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Regarding sleeper vandebharat trains , I had read few months back that a bulk of the upcoming train going to be sleeper trains . You might search that in google . Also i dont think we ll need old rajdhani type trains once vandebharat sleeper trains becomes available .
Yeah that route has low occupancy . But so far over all occupancy around all routes is 99% . Though public transport around the world not supposed to be super profitable , it looks great so far . Dont know how it is going to be as more trains come along . There might be a critical occupancy rate beyond which it is loss making . Dont know what it is for vandebharat train .
Vande Bharat running at an average capacity of 99%
This is precisely what Sudhanshu Mani the director of the Train -18 project was detailing in a fairly elaborate series of interviews sometime back.
The need to introduce sleeper trains, aluminum profile trains & tilting technology in collaboration with a foreign OEM since we lack the latter 2 , get the Train -18 design team to understand the designing intricacies besides our production team to work with their production team to understand the nitty gritty of production. While plans for the mfg of the afore mentioned items have been undertaken & announced, the details of the nature of the ToT & the identity of the OEM has not been disclosed. Hopefully we'd find out soon enough.
Then what we require is a gradual phasing out program, first of coaches being mfgd by bringing train sets into the equation replacing locomotives for passenger trains completely within a stipulated deadline followed by retiring 40 yr old coaches then 30 yr old coaches in a graduated manner as & when we replace locomotive driven trains with train sets relegating locomotives to other passenger routes before total replacement with trainsets.
Identify premier / super premier routes like say Mum Del, upgrade the line to accomplish 150 kmph, replace all LHB coaches with Train sets & most importantly do it in a set deadline. Re assign those locomotives to budget routes like say Mum - UP sector, re label these trains as Gareeb Rath or Shramik Express so that people travel with dignity as opposed to how people on those routes now travel especially on unreserved seats.
Price the tickets on those routes such that people don't have to shell out much, the difference in tarrifs can be recovered from these premier / super premier & other routes.
Have a plan for upgrading the rail network to run trains at 150 kmph soon followed by 200kmph & stop at 250-275 kmph for semi HSL . Simultaneously the lower end for speed should not be < 100 kmph. This should be done in a graduated manner after identifying & grading the rail networks in India on the basis of traffic it carries & the route it travels on which'd determine frequency, speed & tariffs into super premier , premier, economy, budget & shramik class for want of better nomenclature.
At the same time we need a national plan for upgrading R&D & Production standards of trainsets , for these Train -18 trainsets should be the foundation & building blocks for us eventually constructing our very own indigenous bullet train network with trainsets now commencing with 325 - 350 kmph speeds taking it upto 550-600 kmph with a set deadline on where & when we can expect to see it operational on the ground like how China transformed it's entire rail network.
Dude is comparing sleeper vs Vandebharat which has AC . At least compare with AC 3 , if not AC2 or AC1 . Giving more money for AC ticket is nothing new in india .
I was watching a vlog and the train was almost empty for Bangalore - Mysore section.
That’s not a fair comparison. However, with the new expressway, AC buses will give a tough competition