IRAN ON EDGE , Massive protests erupt , Casualties Reported

[BMD]

Islamic extremists would never have risen up in The Middle East? Yeah right. It's the West's fault that Iran beats women to death over headwear and people protest it because 1950-something blahblahblacksheep strawman strawman etc. Same old crap, I'm suspending myself.

 

[babablacksheep]

Islamic extremists would never have risen up in The Middle East? Yeah right

Yeah, 100% right.
Indonesia with moderate islam another example, Iran was a rising democracy before *censored*ers *censored*ed it up.
Even a highly ethnically diverse country like india managed to stay together and is rising.

Taking the example of middle East turmoil as to justify your country's actions and trying to dodge responsibility is ignorance at best, a malicious lowlife activity at worst.



Plus most of middle was and is still meddled by west for the large part.

 

[babablacksheep]

But Russia and India supporting said regime has no effect.

Leaving Iran to its own destiny is much better than meddling in its internals and getting a much worse result( that US got time and time again).

Plus, its not likw us wants to save Iranian people, you guys wants to use them as pawns, if you guys really cared about Iranian people, the democracy in Iran wouldn't have be topped, installing Asshat dictatorship.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Islamic extremists would never have risen up in The Middle East? Yeah right. It's the West's fault that Iran beats women to death over headwear and people protest it because 1950-something blahblahblacksheep strawman strawman etc. Same old crap, I'm suspending myself.

No Paddy you qualified dunce & descendant of Neanderthal , your fault is that when truly progressive parties were emerging in the ME you killed the movement by supporting regressive elements coz the agenda of those progressive elements didn't match with yours.

What we're seeing now are those regressive elements in power coz there was no one to oppose them be it in Syria or Iran & God knows how many more in the ME.

Take Al Jolani in Syria . Till recently he was a terrorist according to you & now you're wining & dining him . Or the Mujahideen in Afganistan the precursor to the Taliban. You actually had Reagan declare they were like the American founding fathers in a reception at the White House.

Khomeini actually received sanctuary in France for a number of years. Even now the Muslim Brotherhood have elements very active in the west such that the UAE has stopped scholarship to its students studying humanities in the UK for as per the UAE those departments have been completely hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood in Little Britain .

Eventually those chickens come home to roost like in the grooming gang scandal across Little Britain . It's also part of the phenomenon yours truly has described as the Paddyfication of the West. Which part of it didn't you understand Paddy ? I'd attempt an explanation & decipherment thru AI in baby talk . Maybe just maybe you'd understand that.

 

[_Anonymous_]

RAW had many covert ops some stretching as far as Chile maybe RAW has even done some brutal ops like that KGB Lebanon thing and we will never know.

Let's focus on what we know not some low value target taken out in Timbuktu then.

RAW was involved in coup which removed Ershad in Bangladesh and a coup in Fiji (15,000 km from India) which removed a brutal dictator there who was abusing the Fiji Indian population, Rabuka. These were all conducted in 1980s and 1990s. Not to mention ops against Khalistanis in Kaneda so they had covert ops capability back then before Gujral and other retarded PMs diminished it.

R&AW wasn't involved in any such coup for the simple reason once Shaikh Mujeeb was assassinated , all our assets disappeared or were made to once Zia ur Rehman seized power.

Incidentally R&AW did issue repeated warnings to Shaikh Mujeeb about assassination plots including the one that took him & his entire family out but they weren't paid much heed to .

During Ershad's time we started assisting the tribals there who launched operations in the Chittagong Hill Tracts ( CHT ) to counter the support some insurgent groups in India were getting from BD.

We didn't attempt any such coup in Fiji though we tried to set up an insurgency which Australian intelligence nipped in the bud by seizing our arms supply to those elements. Subsequently we shut up & stayed shut .

Those were also the days of the Cold War or its immediate aftermath where old suspicions stil lingered & we had political instability at home throughout the 90s .

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Besides we were pre occupied with the terrorist movements in Punjab , later in Kashmir & the growing islamic terorist network & their activities throughout India .

Neither did we have Black Ops in Canada & the west like we do now. GoI repeatedly sent warnings & international warrants for wanted Sikh terrorists to no avail.

Panjwar the mastermind of the Kanishka bombing was eventually killed in an encounter in India in spite of being sought by India when he was in Canada , repeatedly.

Part of the reason also had to do with Cold War politics. In fact when Brian Mulroney called up Rajiv Gandhi to express condolences for the loss of ~ 300 passengers in the Kanishka bombing he had to be reminded more than half of them were Canadian citizens which is a fact even if > 95% killed were of Indian origin. That's the kind of apathy which ruled Canada then .

Please stop patronising Pavneet Singh kind of Podcasts & Blogs . We had a much better story teller here in RST who is AWOL at the moment . At least the faction ( fact + fiction ) he spun sounded credible as old timers here would tell you especially if you were a newbie here & came across him & his writings for the first time.

 

[BMD]

Yeah, 100% right.
Indonesia with moderate islam another example, Iran was a rising democracy before *censored*ers *censored*ed it up.
Even a highly ethnically diverse country like india managed to stay together and is rising.

Insurgency in Aceh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aside from that, you think the West didn't intervene in Indonesia too? Read more, it interfered to prevent a Communist takeover.

Taking the example of middle East turmoil as to justify your country's actions and trying to dodge responsibility is ignorance at best, a malicious lowlife activity at worst.

1950 has nothing to do with mass murder in the present. It's like using the Viking invasion of Britain to justify it invading India. Those who support the regime in the present have a far greater reponsibility.

Plus most of middle was and is still meddled by west for the large part.

Which of course mean Iranian police must beat women to death for not wearing a head scarf.

Leaving Iran to its own destiny is much better than meddling in its internals and getting a much worse result( that US got time and time again).

Plus, its not likw us wants to save Iranian people, you guys wants to use them as pawns, if you guys really cared about Iranian people, the democracy in Iran wouldn't have be topped, installing Asshat dictatorship.

Decisions wear made in the '50s to stop the Soviets getting in everywhere after seeing how they enslaved and persecuted Eastern Europe. Stalin killed more people than Hitler and persecuted religions. That's the side India chose to support and still does. But of course India is innocent of everything because of British subjugation and never had any brutal empires of its own prior to that.

Here's a flow chart for you:

Can't justify Indian alliances in the present --> Divert the argument into last century's activities and then 18th and 19th century if need be but be careful not to go back too far because Cholas never did any wrong......

 

[Subgradewalker]

Insurgency in Aceh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aside from that, you think the West didn't intervene in Indonesia too? Read more, it interfered to prevent a Communist takeover.

1950 has nothing to do with mass murder in the present. It's like using the Viking invasion of Britain to justify it invading India. Those who support the regime in the present have a far greater reponsibility.

Which of course mean Iranian police must beat women to death for not wearing a head scarf.


Decisions wear made in the '50s to stop the Soviets getting in everywhere after seeing how they enslaved and persecuted Eastern Europe. Stalin killed more people than Hitler and persecuted religions. That's the side India chose to support and still does. But of course India is innocent of everything because of British subjugation and never had any brutal empires of its own prior to that.

Here's a flow chart for you:

Can't justify Indian alliances in the present --> Divert the argument into last century's activities and then 18th and 19th century if need be but be careful not to go back too far because Cholas never did any wrong......

India is supporting Islamist and autocratic regime by staying neutral, limited trade but west is the flag bearer of peace and democracy by selling weapons to their choice of autocratic regimes.

You morons used same excuse in 20th century to make a mess out of ME and Africa by covert and overt operations. Now you are using same excuse and methods to fight the evils of your own making. Evil which are consequences of your own choice.

Meanwhile Quatar, KSA, Turkey, Pakistan and so many others find themselves under western grace and weapons. Are they pro-democracy, pro-human right nations ?
You guys are basically the reason for China's rise and now beholden to its dominance.

So, spare your excuses and hypocrisy. Cause no one here is buying it. We do not need moral lessons from those who have funded and groomed the terror network worldwide.

India is the last nation you can excuse of funding a war or any oppressive regime. You guys yourself are buying Russian and chinese products which they use against you. Morons

 

[_Anonymous_]

Insurgency in Aceh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aside from that, you think the West didn't intervene in Indonesia too? Read more, it interfered to prevent a Communist takeover.

Paddy , that alleged Communist take over was a ruse by the then dictator Sukarno to save his government & himself given his unpopularity.

He supported the communists who in turn sought to put down anti Sukarno groups. Enter Suharto who was the commander in chief of the Indonesian armed forces who in turn brutally put down the communist movement there resulting in anywhere between half a million to a million fatalities.

Ironically Suharto was hand picked by Sukarno to become CnC of the Indonesian armed forces. When the west saw what was happening they also saw a chance to get rid of Sukarno who wasn't well disposed to the west & used these disturbances to fully support Suharto eventually getting him to topple the Sukarno regime.

So you see Paddy history is much more nuanced than your simplistic mind can fathom. Didn't we ask you to stick to non political threads Paddy for this reason ? Some ethnicities are not just cut out to understand the cut throat world of politics like the Paddys . They make for excellent servants but bad masters - one of the reasons Little Britain ruled over you. For 8 centuries.

1950 has nothing to do with mass murder in the present. It's like using the Viking invasion of Britain to justify it invading India. Those who support the regime in the present have a far greater reponsibility.

1950 to now is not even a century Paddy as opposed to the Vikings pillaging Little Britain which was more than a millenium ago. As usual whenever one engages Paddy the IQ level of the conversation which was already at Room Temperature drops further as @Rajput Lion would testify from experience.

Which of course mean Iranian police must beat women to death for not wearing a head scarf.

That's what happens when there's a power vaccum & undesirables get power. The progressive section of the population lost power when the US & UK over threw Mossadegh in a coup .

Decisions wear made in the '50s to stop the Soviets getting in everywhere after seeing how they enslaved and persecuted Eastern Europe.

The Soviets wanted a buffer between themselves & western Europe. Why ? Begining 18th century they were faced with three invasions which threatened their independence first by the Swedes under Charles XII , followed by Napoleon Bonaparte in the 19th century & Hitler in the 20th century.

So perhaps you ought to take it up with your allies le Francais , ze Germans & de Swedes.

Stalin killed more people than Hitler and persecuted religions.

So why did you ally with him in WW-2 ?

That's the side India chose to support and still does. But of course India is innocent of everything because of British subjugation and never had any brutal empires of its own prior to that.

We didn't choose USSR . We responded to their overtures once Paxtan joined US & UK led organisations like SEATO & the Baghdad Pact. Paxtan itself is the love child of the Little Britain & the Muslim League who's final aim is the Islamisation of Little Britain culminating in the Queen of UK taking the oath on a Koran in a hijab. Alhamdulillah ! It's a development we whole heartedly support & look forward to .

Here's a flow chart for you:

Can't justify Indian alliances in the present --> Divert the argument into last century's activities and then 18th and 19th century if need be but be careful not to go back too far because Cholas never did any wrong......

Here's a flow chart for you .

Can't digest the increasing irrelevance of little britain in the present --> prop up Islamist regimes like the one in Paxtan -->face backlash at home from the native population --> double down on supporting them --> de industrialise rapidly coz no colonies to sell or pimp upon --> sign up FTAs to stay afloat while becoming the financial hub of the world for all illegal income apart from sheltering criminals from all over the world & then cry foul when they are assassinated like when the Russians popped a few off.

A theory doing the rounds on SM is the upper class elite didn't care much for those grooming gangs raping underaged white girls in UK for most if not all of them were from underprivileged backgrounds , broken homes , council flats et al . In other words white trash.

Given rigid class stratification in little britain this was an expendable class. Of course had these been boys the reaction would've been different for apart from cricket & taking afternoon tea , buggery & cuckoldery are national institutions in little britain.

Which is to say that the upper class elite would've descended on these grooming gangs like a ton of bricks if they were seen as competing with the upper classes for underaged boys.

After all every single missionary organization or charity in little britain stands accused of paedophilia in UK or outside of it be it protestant or catlick led. In fact Paddy missionaries were caught with their pants down several times across the world a trait they imbibed from the British during their 8 century old colonisation.

Export of child abuse to Africa a sad reality

It was tragic to see that Irish missionaries have exported a culture of child abuse across Africa (RTE Prime Time documentary 'Mission to Prey') but it should come as no surprise.

www.independent.ie

How do you respond to these theories Paddy ? I see them as having more than a grain of truth in them .

 

[RationalGuy]

Let's focus on what we know not some low value target taken out in Timbuktu then.

R&AW wasn't involved in any such coup for the simple reason once Shaikh Mujeeb was assassinated , all our assets disappeared or were made to once Zia ur Rehman seized power.

Incidentally R&AW did issue repeated warnings to Shaikh Mujeeb about assassination plots including the one that took him & his entire family out but they weren't paid much heed to .

During Ershad's time we started assisting the tribals there who launched operations in the Chittagong Hill Tracts ( CHT ) to counter the support some insurgent groups in India were getting from BD.

We didn't attempt any such coup in Fiji though we tried to set up an insurgency which Australian intelligence nipped in the bud by seizing our arms supply to those elements. Subsequently we shut up & stayed shut .

Those were also the days of the Cold War or its immediate aftermath where old suspicions stil lingered & we had political instability at home throughout the 90s .

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Besides we were pre occupied with the terrorist movements in Punjab , later in Kashmir & the growing islamic terorist network & their activities throughout India .

Neither did we have Black Ops in Canada & the west like we do now. GoI repeatedly sent warnings & international warrants for wanted Sikh terrorists to no avail.

Panjwar the mastermind of the Kanishka bombing was eventually killed in an encounter in India in spite of being sought by India when he was in Canada , repeatedly.

Part of the reason also had to do with Cold War politics. In fact when Brian Mulroney called up Rajiv Gandhi to express condolences for the loss of ~ 300 passengers in the Kanishka bombing he had to be reminded more than half of them were Canadian citizens which is a fact even if > 95% killed were of Indian origin. That's the kind of apathy which ruled Canada then .

Please stop patronising Pavneet Singh kind of Podcasts & Blogs . We had a much better story teller here in RST who is AWOL at the moment . At least the faction ( fact + fiction ) he spun sounded credible as old timers here would tell you especially if you were a newbie here & came across him & his writings for the first time.

RAW WAS involved in the coup against Ershad literally former RAW people revealed as such in the book RAW by Yaatish Yadav which I suggest you read. It provided financial support and covertly assisted a key opposition leader in the country to oust him it even extracted a high value individual who proved to be of great use to us later on. RAW was very much involved in Ershads removal.

It was also involved in the Fijian overthrow of Rabuka also detailed in that book where it financed and supported elements which overthrew him.

All of this is actually detailed in an actual book which has insights of people who were actually in RAW. I have no ducking clue who Pavneet Singh is and I dont listen to podcasts or blogs at all, I once visited Karnads blog which gave me an aneurysm and soured my opinion on blogs.

History of RAW - India’s external intelligence agency

A path-breaking history of India’s covert operations by the fabled Research and Analysis Wing, based on extensive interviews with both serving and former intelligence operatives who share stories of triumphs and tragedies in the realm of spycraft.

frontline.thehindu.com

Damn good book with first hand accounts.

 

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RAW WAS involved in the coup against Ershad literally former RAW people revealed as such in the book RAW by Yaatish Yadav which I suggest you read. It provided financial support and covertly assisted a key opposition leader in the country to oust him it even extracted a high value individual who proved to be of great use to us later on. RAW was very much involved in Ershads removal.

And how did the aftermath pan out assuming what Yadav says is true? Ershad wasn't good for India but there's nothing to suggest he had or would be undertaking something big against us .

Besides this wasn't the first time BD saw a violent change of power . It's been true for every such change right from their inception.

The BNP government which followed was equally hostile to India if not more. ULFA , Bodo militants, tribal insurgents involved in Tripura etc were based in BD & continued to be so under the BNP.

If outcomes are the determinant of the efficacy of action in the light of what I've written how do you see R&AW's alleged performance considering nothing much changed for India when power changed hands from Ershad to the BNP ?

In any case Yadav's claims can't be proven & coups aren't undertaken unless the perpetrators gain something out of it . In the event we gained nothing from the coup assuming we actually did what Yadav claimed of which there's no proof except his claims . This should go down then as another spectacular failure.

It was also involved in the Fijian overthrow of Rabuka also detailed in that book where it financed and supported elements which overthrew him.

Rabuka lost power in an election in 1999 . The only sex scandal Rabuka faces involves his ministers not himself , the trial of which is on going. Besides since the first coup against the Labour Party headed by a native Fijian Dr Timothy Bavadra with a significant proportion of Indians elected & part of his cabinet which sparked off the coup by Fijian nationalists in Fiji in 1987-88 the Fiji Indian population which was almost at par with the native Fijian population is now ~ 35% & dropping.

Rabuka himself was elected to power in 1992 & stayed on till 1999 a period which saw an exodus of Indians from Fiji . Post the two coups in 1987 he lead , he was the head of the interim government & once he appointed a civilian administration to govern Fiji he oversaw the administration up until the general elections in 1992.

Moreover there was another coup against an Indian origin PM Mahendra Choudhary in 2000 . So how effective was R&AW's intervention assuming they intervened in the first place of which we've no evidence ?

This is yet another example of - if outcomes are the determinant of the efficacy of action , this is yet another failure assuming R&AW actually undertook what you're claiming of which I'm deeply sceptical even if I were to concede your claims against Ershad.

All of this is actually detailed in an actual book which has insights of people who were actually in RAW. I have no ducking clue who Pavneet Singh is and I dont listen to podcasts or blogs at all, I once visited Karnads blog which gave me an aneurysm and soured my opinion on blogs.

History of RAW - India’s external intelligence agency

A path-breaking history of India’s covert operations by the fabled Research and Analysis Wing, based on extensive interviews with both serving and former intelligence operatives who share stories of triumphs and tragedies in the realm of spycraft.

frontline.thehindu.com

Damn good book with first hand accounts.

 

[babablacksheep]

Aside from that, you think the West didn't intervene in Indonesia too? Read more, it interfered to prevent a Communist takeover.

West did, and Indonesia was in turmoil, a Brutal turmoil, which thankfully by luck did not delved into full-blown choas, just a little Brutal purge of Communists, people accused as communists, Kafirs and others.
again thankfully by luck it did not develop into full blown chaos.

1950 has nothing to do with mass murder in the present. It's like using the Viking invasion of Britain to justify it invading India. Those who support the regime in the present have a far greater reponsibility.

It does.

Pretty stupid comparison.

No, its US who is the illegitimate father to the regime.
Pretty similar father and son due, both willing to kill large no. Of civilians for thier interest, unlike son who is limited to kill on its own land, father does it around the globe.

Decisions wear made in the '50s to stop the Soviets getting in everywhere after seeing how they enslaved and persecuted Eastern Europe

No decision was made in favour of your oil companies, and you enslaved them by forcing an asshat dictatorship on them.

Stalin killed more people than Hitler and persecuted religions. That's the side India chose to support and still does. But of course India is innocent of everything because of British subjugation and never had any brutal empires of its own prior to that.

Telling me to not go to 1950's when there's a clear cut pattern, but then yourself went to ww2.

Champion of dodging responsibility.

Well you're trying to guilt trip my country due to supporting a side, when your country itself is and was a side, direct reason for mass killings in Indonesia, Vietnam, IRAN, Iraq, japan, korea, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, chile, Argentina, el Salvador.

We had options to choose one of the two evil, but we remained neutral, we maintained good relations with Soviets, but also, France, UK, west Germany, we even have collab with CIA in 1950, spying in Tibet.

Its your US vs THEM mentality unable to comprehend reality.

 

[BMD]

West did, and Indonesia was in turmoil, a Brutal turmoil, which thankfully by luck did not delved into full-blown choas, just a little Brutal purge of Communists, people accused as communists, Kafirs and others.
again thankfully by luck it did not develop into full blown chaos.

How would it have been if they'd let the Communists takeo over?

It does.

Pretty stupid comparison.

No, its US who is the illegitimate father to the regime.
Pretty similar father and son due, both willing to kill large no. Of civilians for thier interest, unlike son who is limited to kill on its own land, father does it around the globe.

The system th US put in place might have needed replacement, but there was no need for it to turn into this FFS.

No decision was made in favour of your oil companies, and you enslaved them by forcing an asshat dictatorship on them.

The removal of the Shah did not necessitate another even more brutal dictatorship.

Telling me to not go to 1950's when there's a clear cut pattern, but then yourself went to ww2.

1. Stalin's regime did not end in WW2.
2. No, I'm using Stalin's actions to justify concurrent US actions. Stalin's regime ended in the early '50s. Iranian coup - 1953. Not using them to justify a Trump invasion of Greenland, nor his insurrection attempt, that's what you are doing.

Champion of dodging responsibility.

Statute of limitations FFS. Exactly how long can you use something >70 years ago as an excuse?

Well you're trying to guilt trip my country due to supporting a side, when your country itself is and was a side, direct reason for mass killings in Indonesia, Vietnam, IRAN, Iraq, japan, korea, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, chile, Argentina, el Salvador.

India is supporting Islamist and autocratic regime by staying neutral, limited trade but west is the flag bearer of peace and democracy by selling weapons to their choice of autocratic regimes.

India is supporting Russia in the present day, you don't get to ignore the current actions of their allies (which are nearly all fascist dictatorships), just because you can't handle it.

We had options to choose one of the two evil, but we remained neutral, we maintained good relations with Soviets, but also, France, UK, west Germany, we even have collab with CIA in 1950, spying in Tibet.

Its your US vs THEM mentality unable to comprehend reality.

Looking at comments on this forum and Indian reporting on the Ukraine War and the West in general, your so-called neutrality is BS.

You morons used same excuse in 20th century to make a mess out of ME and Africa by covert and overt operations. Now you are using same excuse and methods to fight the evils of your own making. Evil which are consequences of your own choice.

TME was already a mess - look at Saddam rule, it's an improvement. Ditto fo Syria. Afghanistan - no change.

Meanwhile Quatar, KSA, Turkey, Pakistan and so many others find themselves under western grace and weapons. Are they pro-democracy, pro-human right nations ?

Closer than North Korea or Iran and way better to live in. I mean Turkey is pretty much heaven compared to North korea or Iran. And you found about 4 nations there out of dozens of allies. You be pushed to even find 4 Russian allies that aren't dictatorships.

You guys are basically the reason for China's rise and now beholden to its dominance.

Probably, I'll agree with that. Globalisation was a mess.

So, spare your excuses and hypocrisy. Cause no one here is buying it. We do not need moral lessons from those who have funded and groomed the terror network worldwide.

It ain't hypocrisy though, you only think that because you're unable to make a straight comparison and use events >70 years apart as if they are 1+1=2 affairs.

India is the last nation you can excuse of funding a war or any oppressive regime. You guys yourself are buying Russian and chinese products which they use against you. Morons.

India refining Russian oil and selling it on does kind of causes that though. Bring on the secondary sanctions I say.

 

[BMD]

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[babablacksheep]

How would it have been if they'd let the Communists takeo over?

That's a hypothetical, not current reality.

The system th US put in place might have needed replacement, but there was no need for it to turn into this FFS.

There was also no need to be a brutal dictatorship in place in the first place, this mullah regime is the pycho son of your phycho country.
Its was never about deflecting the actions of the regime its just about accepting , accepting the fault and nature of both the regime and USA.

Exactly how long can you use something >70 years ago as an excuse?

What excuse? You guys started the chain the event of event, and being the part of that chain of event for decades and even now.

India is supporting Russia in the present day, you don't get to ignore the current actions of their allies (which are nearly all fascist dictatorships), just because you can't handle it

We are neutral, trading with the countries as we felt need, we even trade with phycho regime of USA, and trade with china who we have border dispute with, in fact we're near FTA with EU right now.

Looking at comments on this forum and Indian reporting on the Ukraine War and the West in general, your so-called neutrality is BS.

Wow, using supposee civilian comments to judge the official position of the government, so smart !!.

India refining Russian oil and selling it on does kind of causes that though. Bring on the secondary sanctions I say.

Biggest customers of that refined Russian oil are EU and US.

 

[Subgradewalker]

India is supporting Russia in the present day, you don't get to ignore the current actions of their allies (which are nearly all fascist dictatorships), just because you can't handle it.

I am asking you, what is Saudi? A democracy? What is China? What is qatar? Or many African Nations? What are your argument to justify your relationship with these? What gives you the right to ignore their actions while preaching non-allies?

Looking at comments on this forum and Indian reporting on the Ukraine War and the West in general, your so-called neutrality is BS.

Alliances are decided by comments and reporting idiot . Its decided by the actions of the state. Media also criticises their own national govt. Does that make them against the country ?

It ain't hypocrisy though, you only think that because you're unable to make a straight comparison and use events >70 years apart as if they are 1+1=2 affairs.

What straight comparison do you need ? You can't discard history just because you can't take responsibility for your actions. What kind of worldview have you got? Things do not exist in a vaccum.
History has effects on present, similarly your present actions will affect future.

TME was already a mess - look at Saddam rule, it's an improvement. Ditto fo Syria. Afghanistan - no change.

It was their mess to solve. Your country is in a mess too today. Should China come and meddle into your affairs and bring autocracy to straighten you peeps out? You only exacaberated the mess and made it worse. Even USA went through civil war.. every region goes through one or other things. That isn't an invitation to meddle in. If you do, then stop sitting on your high horse and repeat same excuse again and again. You're just as vile.

What kind of better future has libya,syria and Iraq have seen after meddling? Where are they in terms of economy, social and political scale?
Iran and North Korea too would be much better than present if you remove sanctions from them. You use your economic institutions to keep a nation out of global economy and then make these statements

India refining Russian oil and selling it on does kind of causes that though. Bring on the secondary sanctions I say.

Ah! Old and tried propoganda that yo use to shake off your responsibility and actions by blaming others. Listen moron. For a bigger part of the trade, India paid in rupees. Russia couldn't find it's war through rupees. Meanwhile west bought russian goods in dollars and euro. Much more liquid and used to find the war.

And then there's China. China is helping russia Directly by providing weapons and logistics. Where does china get the money from? From the huge trade surplus they enjoy from west. So, you morons are yourself funding Russia in its war. Its a hard pill to swallow for someone in europe who have given in to narrative of their holier than thou status.

Shoo

 

[BMD]

That's a hypothetical, not current reality.

It could have been though, consider that, see North Korea and China for details, and it would likely have spread further too.

There was also no need to be a brutal dictatorship in place in the first place, this mullah regime is the pycho son of your phycho country.

It's not though, they are what they are on their own. They could have replaced the Shah with multiple types of government having succeeded but this is the one they chose, that's on them, and trying to connect their current actions with 73 years ago is ridiculous. But don't despair you're in good company, this type of argument is the bread and butter of this site.

Its was never about deflecting the actions of the regime its just about accepting , accepting the fault and nature of both the regime and USA.

The USA must accept some fault for 1953-1979 but that's where it ends.

What excuse? You guys started the chain the event of event, and being the part of that chain of event for decades and even now.

There is no chain though. When Saddam was removed the West set up a democratic process. If they'd replaced him with something worse that wouldn't be Saddam's fault.

We are neutral, trading with the countries as we felt need, we even trade with phycho regime of USA, and trade with china who we have border dispute with, in fact we're near FTA with EU right now.

The US isn't a psycho regime, or wasn't until January 2025 anyway. When you see a dictatorship (allied with other even worse dictatorships) invading a democracy for no good reason you ought to distance yourself, or you become part of that chain you keep talking about but not understanding properly.

Wow, using supposee civilian comments to judge the official position of the government, so smart !!.

Official India news outlets. They don't produce news that the masses don't want to hear or violently disagree with.

Biggest customers of that refined Russian oil are EU and US.

This is a Donald-Trump-type statement, in that it's completely false.

December 2025 — Monthly analysis of Russian fossil fuel exports and sanctions – Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air

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[BMD]

I am asking you, what is Saudi? A democracy? What is China? What is qatar? Or many African Nations? What are your argument to justify your relationship with these? What gives you the right to ignore their actions while preaching non-allies?

What Saudi Arabia is is a Monarchy, not a democracy but nobody would rather live in North Korea or Iran instead. The worst African regimes are pro-Russian, especially following a spate of recent Wagner coups against democracies.

Alliances are decided by comments and reporting idiot . Its decided by the actions of the state. Media also criticises their own national govt. Does that make them against the country ?

Try all reporting.

What straight comparison do you need ? You can't discard history just because you can't take responsibility for your actions. What kind of worldview have you got? Things do not exist in a vaccum.
History has effects on present, similarly your present actions will affect future.

Not in the sense you're claiming. WW1 and 2 defined borders in Europe but the Shah's regime did not force the period of 1979-2026 to be so brutal. You can't remove someone and then continue using them as an excuse indefinitely in the thereafter. The US is certainly linked to problems from 1953-1979 but not in the present day.

It was their mess to solve. Your country is in a mess too today.

Not in the true sense, not relative to Saddam's Iraq.

Should China come and meddle into your affairs and bring autocracy to straighten you peeps out? You only exacaberated the mess and made it worse.

Nah, Iraq's an improvement, as hopefully Syria will be.

Even USA went through civil war.. every region goes through one or other things. That isn't an invitation to meddle in. If you do, then stop sitting on your high horse and repeat same excuse again and again. You're just as vile.

In the days of rifles and bayonets. A popular uprising has little chance against a modern military, hence meddling required, or you get Tehran or Tianemen Square massacres.

What kind of better future has libya,syria and Iraq have seen after meddling? Where are they in terms of economy, social and political scale?
Iran and North Korea too would be much better than present if you remove sanctions from them. You use your economic institutions to keep a nation out of global economy and then make these statements

Russia meddled in Libya after Gaddafi went, there's the problem.

Ah! Old and tried propoganda that yo use to shake off your responsibility and actions by blaming others. Listen moron. For a bigger part of the trade, India paid in rupees. Russia couldn't find it's war through rupees. Meanwhile west bought russian goods in dollars and euro. Much more liquid and used to find the war.

Sure it could buy sanctioned electronics from smugglers in India, or elsewhere in rupees, then they exchange it. Also, see my previous post, the EU is not the largest consumer of Russian oil despite repeated false statements.

And then there's China. China is helping russia Directly by providing weapons and logistics. Where does china get the money from? From the huge trade surplus they enjoy from west. So, you morons are yourself funding Russia in its war. Its a hard pill to swallow for someone in europe who have given in to narrative of their holier than thou status.

Where does Russia get the money from to pay China? From India laundering their oil. More falsehoods that have been drilled into you.

Russia (RUS) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners | The Observatory of Economic Complexity

Find the latest trade statistics and economic complexity data for Russia.

oec.world

The top destinations were China ($129B), India ($66.1B), Turkey ($31B), Kazakhstan ($16.1B), and Brazil ($11.1B).

 

[babablacksheep]

It could have been though, consider that, see North Korea and China for details, and it would likely have spread further too.

China is quite a responsive authoritarian gov. ,with clear red lines, but also a need to provide progess and respond to masses as they don't have legitimacy of a election.

For example: Shift away from zero-COVID policy after white paper *protests*(organic protests)

Veterans' grievances (2010s–2018): Persistent protests by demobilized soldiers over pensions/benefits led to the creation of a dedicated Ministry of Veterans Affairs in 2018 to better handle complaints and improve services.

While still authoritarian, Singapore, China's authoritarianism has refined itself over the years.



Unlike US where every succesive administration has narrowed the scope of topics of people's demand, now to just social personal life and economic personal life for the masses , and the mass societal war that is happening in usa and the fragmentation its causing and, each successive administration overall followed the continuity of same policy brochure until Trump.

What kind of democracy is this? Sure you can shout freedom, but even the mass protest in your country are not organic anymore, all require a powerful interest group organising them, initiating them, controlling its direction.

A system of elites fighting against each other, puppeting the broader population, forcing them to choose either one of the two lesser evils.

As time goes one, american democracy by outcome not by come freedom house report, is becoming more and more dysfunctional , due to capture by non state Intrest groups.

It's not though, they are what they are on their own. They could have replaced the Shah with multiple types of government having succeeded but this is the one they chose, that's on them, and trying to connect their current actions with 73 years ago is ridiculous. But don't despair you're in good company, this type of argument is the bread and butter of this site

*Could've chosen*
Really in all that choas of revolution?
You talk like it was some candy shop.

The USA must accept some fault for 1953-1979 but that's where it ends.

You fault of 1979 give birth to islamists in Iran, not just than from 1979 to 2026 US has continued to be hostile to Iran and sanctioned it from, taking away any possibility of rising economic conditions and tame relationship giving rise to a more moderate take.

There is no chain though. When Saddam was removed the West set up a democratic process. If they'd replaced him with something worse that wouldn't be Saddam's fault.

The chain exist, you country has been a active actor in the event from 1950s till now, and that is not including the current consequences of decades old actions .

*if they replaced him* most don't have a choice, its choas, due to a flimsy system.

The US isn't a psycho regime, or wasn't until January 2025 anyway. When you see a dictatorship (allied with other even worse dictatorships) invading a democracy for no good reason you ought to distance yourself, or you become part of that chain you keep talking about but not understanding properly.

George W. Bush

The "Downing Street Memo": A leaked 2002 memo from British intelligence revealed that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It showed that Bush had privately decided to go to war months before telling the public, regardless of whether WMDs were found.
The "Grudge" Factor: Leaked memos from British Foreign Office director Peter Ricketts stated that the push for regime change "sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam,"


Barack Obama

The Libya Email Leak (Hillary Clinton): Leaked emails revealed that the 2011 regime change in Libya (which led to the brutal killing of Muammar Gaddafi) was pushed by the State Department not just for "human rights," but to prevent Gaddafi from creating a gold-backed African currency that would have threatened the US Dollar's dominance.
"Terror Tuesdays": As mentioned, Obama personally sat in the Situation Room every Tuesday to pick names for drone strikes. This "Disposition Matrix" (the Kill List) included American citizens. Critics called this "judge, jury, and executioner" behavior a radical expansion of presidential power


Donald trump

Don't need to say anything.


orange man is the most *open* in this psycho behaviour, rest all us presidents had hidden side.


And that's not including the still alive behaviour of usa as a state to cause millions suffering for its interest, Bangladesh is a recent example.

Official India news outlets. They don't produce news that the masses don't want to hear or violently disagree with.

Really? You're using legacy Indian media as your reference?

Heh

Well, Here's some other examples.

This is a Donald-Trump-type statement, in that it's completely false.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/the_mother_of_all_deals_eu_and_india_are_on_the

Refined petrol 22billion dollars

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/comment/o0ogwpf

 

[BMD]

China is quite a responsive authoritarian gov. ,with clear red lines, but also a need to provide progess and respond to masses as they don't have legitimacy of a election.

For example: Shift away from zero-COVID policy after white paper *protests*(organic protests)

Veterans' grievances (2010s–2018): Persistent protests by demobilized soldiers over pensions/benefits led to the creation of a dedicated Ministry of Veterans Affairs in 2018 to better handle complaints and improve services.

While still authoritarian, Singapore, China's authoritarianism has refined itself over the years.



Unlike US where every succesive administration has narrowed the scope of topics of people's demand, now to just social personal life and economic personal life for the masses , and the mass societal war that is happening in usa and the fragmentation its causing and, each successive administration overall followed the continuity of same policy brochure until Trump.

What kind of democracy is this? Sure you can shout freedom, but even the mass protest in your country are not organic anymore, all require a powerful interest group organising them, initiating them, controlling its direction.

A system of elites fighting against each other, puppeting the broader population, forcing them to choose either one of the two lesser evils.

As time goes one, american democracy by outcome not by come freedom house report, is becoming more and more dysfunctional , due to capture by non state Intrest groups.








*Could've chosen*
Really in all that choas of revolution?
You talk like it was some candy shop.




You fault of 1979 give birth to islamists in Iran, not just than from 1979 to 2026 US has continued to be hostile to Iran and sanctioned it from, taking away any possibility of rising economic conditions and tame relationship giving rise to a more moderate take.



The chain exist, you country has been a active actor in the event from 1950s till now, and that is not including the current consequences of decades old actions .

*if they replaced him* most don't have a choice, its choas, due to a flimsy system.

George W. Bush

The "Downing Street Memo": A leaked 2002 memo from British intelligence revealed that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It showed that Bush had privately decided to go to war months before telling the public, regardless of whether WMDs were found.
The "Grudge" Factor: Leaked memos from British Foreign Office director Peter Ricketts stated that the push for regime change "sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam,"


Barack Obama

The Libya Email Leak (Hillary Clinton): Leaked emails revealed that the 2011 regime change in Libya (which led to the brutal killing of Muammar Gaddafi) was pushed by the State Department not just for "human rights," but to prevent Gaddafi from creating a gold-backed African currency that would have threatened the US Dollar's dominance.
"Terror Tuesdays": As mentioned, Obama personally sat in the Situation Room every Tuesday to pick names for drone strikes. This "Disposition Matrix" (the Kill List) included American citizens. Critics called this "judge, jury, and executioner" behavior a radical expansion of presidential power


Donald trump

Don't need to say anything.


orange man is the most *open* in this psycho behaviour, rest all us presidents had hidden side.


And that's not including the still alive behaviour of usa as a state to cause millions suffering for its interest, Bangladesh is a recent example.






Really? You're using legacy Indian media as your reference?

Heh

Well, Here's some other examples.

View attachment 49176View attachment 49177

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/the_mother_of_all_deals_eu_and_india_are_on_the

Refined petrol 22billion dollars

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/comment/o0ogwpf

 

[BMD]

China is quite a responsive authoritarian gov. ,with clear red lines, but also a need to provide progess and respond to masses as they don't have legitimacy of a election.

For example: Shift away from zero-COVID policy after white paper *protests*(organic protests)

Veterans' grievances (2010s–2018): Persistent protests by demobilized soldiers over pensions/benefits led to the creation of a dedicated Ministry of Veterans Affairs in 2018 to better handle complaints and improve services.

While still authoritarian, Singapore, China's authoritarianism has refined itself over the years.

Tell that to all the Uyghurs in concentration camps and all the countries who've have had their EEZ stolen. Singapore ranks as a flawed democracy, same as India.

Democracy index | Singapore – yearly data, chart and table

Official and up-to-date data of Singapore for all years of statistics, in an easy-to-read format. Analysis of democracy index with advanced tools for comparisons, trends, shares, and various metrics.

statbase.org

Unlike US where every succesive administration has narrowed the scope of topics of people's demand, now to just social personal life and economic personal life for the masses , and the mass societal war that is happening in usa and the fragmentation its causing and, each successive administration overall followed the continuity of same policy brochure until Trump.

What kind of democracy is this? Sure you can shout freedom, but even the mass protest in your country are not organic anymore, all require a powerful interest group organising them, initiating them, controlling its direction.

A system of elites fighting against each other, puppeting the broader population, forcing them to choose either one of the two lesser evils.

As time goes one, american democracy by outcome not by come freedom house report, is becoming more and more dysfunctional , due to capture by non state Intrest groups.








*Could've chosen*
Really in all that choas of revolution?
You talk like it was some candy shop.




You fault of 1979 give birth to islamists in Iran, not just than from 1979 to 2026 US has continued to be hostile to Iran and sanctioned it from, taking away any possibility of rising economic conditions and tame relationship giving rise to a more moderate take.



The chain exist, you country has been a active actor in the event from 1950s till now, and that is not including the current consequences of decades old actions .

*if they replaced him* most don't have a choice, its choas, due to a flimsy system.

George W. Bush

The "Downing Street Memo": A leaked 2002 memo from British intelligence revealed that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It showed that Bush had privately decided to go to war months before telling the public, regardless of whether WMDs were found.
The "Grudge" Factor: Leaked memos from British Foreign Office director Peter Ricketts stated that the push for regime change "sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam,"


Barack Obama

The Libya Email Leak (Hillary Clinton): Leaked emails revealed that the 2011 regime change in Libya (which led to the brutal killing of Muammar Gaddafi) was pushed by the State Department not just for "human rights," but to prevent Gaddafi from creating a gold-backed African currency that would have threatened the US Dollar's dominance.
"Terror Tuesdays": As mentioned, Obama personally sat in the Situation Room every Tuesday to pick names for drone strikes. This "Disposition Matrix" (the Kill List) included American citizens. Critics called this "judge, jury, and executioner" behavior a radical expansion of presidential power


Donald trump

Don't need to say anything.


orange man is the most *open* in this psycho behaviour, rest all us presidents had hidden side.


And that's not including the still alive behaviour of usa as a state to cause millions suffering for its interest, Bangladesh is a recent example.






Really? You're using legacy Indian media as your reference?

Heh

Well, Here's some other examples.

View attachment 49176View attachment 49177

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/the_mother_of_all_deals_eu_and_india_are_on_the

One comment by Russia doesn't change what I've seen for 4 years.

Refined petrol 22billion dollars

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3bmw/comment/o0ogwpf

More the reason for secondary sanctions on India.