No we don't , its Pakistan which begs the whole world to ask India to speak......
Islamic Republic of Pakistan : News, Discussions & Updates
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You are to be taken super credibly at "talks"???:
Art 370
Arabs line up to give medals and awards to chaiwalla
Pakistan peeks head out of its dilapidated room promises to stronkity stronk talk at KL with erdo and maha
Arabs: No, I dont think you will...thaaapad!
Pakistan: *shuffles back to its room to look at ertugrul smut*...all the while sniffing
dude seriously, what are you smoking? who reached out to pakistan and when? instead of hallucinating provide facts & proof.
that was outrageously stupid he was trapped by his own lie.
Apparently biradar mulk's economy is in a bad shape. They demanded the money upfront which Paxtan borrowed from who else but iron brother. So, the problem of circular debt has started.
Virat kholi is not a great batsman. he cannot play swing, he is king of dead pitches though no doubt. I will give new generation of batsman like Vihari more weight.
‘If he was Kohli everyone would be talking but as it’s Babar, no one is’
Watching Babar play some breathtaking drives against the likes of James Anderson, Stuart Broad, Jofra Archer and Chris Woakes, Hussain, who is currently regarded as one of the best commentators going around, went on to say that people don’t talk about Babar much as he is not India captain Virat...www.hindustantimes.com
Here I agree with Naseer Hossain. He is the only classy batsman in current pak team. He never play loose shots like One eye peas. Shoaib Malik comes close but he doesn’t have the class Babur has.
Well, completely off-topic, so will cut it short.
- Turkey is a wannabe/emerging Islamic Ummah, competing hard with the other pole "House of Sauds".
- We are a pagan, infidel, revisionist revivalist civilization-state w.r.t P5 & Left-Jihadi-Commie nexus. At best, we are a vexing eyesore, or existential anathema to the Turks holding political power today & their power is rising up, by the day.
- Feel free to discount the so-called secular ethos of their armed-forces (guardians of democracy). Things change. Faster nowadays.
- Their Head of Govt. is hellbent on reviving the Ottoman Sultanate. Check the top 2 twitter trends in Turkey during last 2-3 days after Aug 5th. Our internal developments, constructive in nature, source of jubilation & satisfaction for a billion souls, are unpalatable to their vocal populace in SM.
- We are working at restoring our civilization to its days of strength, glory & prosperity from a millennium of siege, decay & concomitant rot.
- All successful invaders in India from 1192 AD onwards (emerging from Af-stan/Central-Asia Steppe) were warlords of Turkic origin. The Arabs ever really made it in erstwhile India after having tasted devastating rout in Battle of Rajasthan.
- We lost half of our territory & maybe 75% of our influence, but Bharat somehow still stumbles on. Whereas their Ottoman prestige was completely devastated during WW1, something they are working at restoring.
Those who managed to successfully devastate, slaughter (at industrial scale over centuries) & rule India were Central Asian/Af-stanis of Turk ethnicity. Now, they continue to aid, support & arm our arch-nemesis during wartime (feel free to google nature & extent of this partnership) & peacetime.
We are civilizational foes (or, use any metaphor) in Samuel Huntington's world-view.
Same for Iran. The cliched Biryani, kabab, jalebi ties are a infinitesimally inconsequential component of the overarching geopolitical equation, which has a lot more which is often left unsaid during such discourses.
To boot, Iran's military co-operation with *censored* during war & peace time (including clandestine assistance in nuke program) is well-established & familiar.
Your analogy still doesn't stands.
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Ek baat poocho? Ulta paida hue the kya? Har baar & har baat mein viprit mat rakhte ho.
Agree with your assessment except for Turks being a rising power. None of the Muslim nations have anything resembling power status nor are they expected to accumulate it in the near future. The only ones to buck the trend somewhat would be Indonesia, Turkey & Iran with the latter two progressing once they get rid of their existing rulers & their political system respectively.
bhai mujay harkety karney wale bande pasand nahi. Rahul dravid, laxman jesay player bhi thay....discipline thaa, skill bhi thaa.... bandroon wali harkatey nahi thi. aaj ki generation hawa main hi hai. rule change karne padtey hai iney accommodate karney ke liye.
Indonesia will never be a military power, it has no real enemy..... maybe china down the line. Iran probably has a bigger chance among all Muslim nations...as it has both Russian & Chinese backing. Turkey will remain sandwiched between Russia & Europe for foreseeable future, with higher chance of it becoming vassal state of former than restoring it's ottaman empire in long run. American withdrawal will make Saudi vulnerable & along with oil revenue drying up Saudi family will have to compromise to save there skin in long run.
I ill not say that Kohli Cant play swing. its just that some others like Vihari have better temprament for swing bolling.
BTW there is no special technique for swing. Playing swinging ball is always risky. Kohli taskes the risk 10 out of 10 times and faces the consequenes, others play it judiciously.
People say same thing abt Tendulkar too, but they dont realise how stupid it actually sounds to those who know the game.
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Apology, didn't articulate it well enough. I was referring to how rapidly the extremists are accumulating power within Turkey, eliminating potential seats of opposition & capturing institutions, one after next.
Completely agree. Their only source of power is flickering flame & wouldn't persist for long. Someone on this forum aptly quoted: One significant advance in battery technology & their economy is doomed for decades.
Actually, Cricket ain't gentleman's game anymore though it was still somewhat dirty/gruff, even in 1930's (think, Bodyline Series) as well as 19th century in WG Grace era.
Only results count these days (good or bad), & Virat stands tallest in this deptt. in all formats, all grounds - true all-weather, day-night, heavy-cavalry if you will.
Current Pakistan's behavior is also due to its growing insecurity of losing relevance viz-a-viz India amid our tensions with China. India-China conflict is getting worldwide press and even popular youtubers are covering it, specially the resultant economic warfare that is setting precedent for other nations to follow. In all this fanfare, Pakistan's position as an equilibrium to India is destroyed. Pakistan is a nation that survives on their usability against their neighbors.
By releasing new map Pakistan hopes to ride on coattails of India again and get into same heavyweight category as India. Right now their position is they are exchanging fire with Afghanistan.
Pakistan Wary of U.S.-India Military Alliance Against China
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 8/7/20 AT 12:36 PM EDT
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Pakistan's envoy to the United Nations has expressed wariness about the United States' growing military ties with India, a burgeoning partnership aimed at building a regional alliance against China, which he said need not be a U.S. foe
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar "reiterated the strength of the United States-India relationship to advance peace, prosperity, and security in the Indo-Pacific and around the globe" in a call Thursday, according to a readout provided by the State Department. The following day, Pompeo and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi "discussed a range of issues, including the importance of U.S.-Pakistan cooperation on the Afghan peace process and the importance of efforts to support regional stability."
Longtime rivals India and Pakistan have both fostered ties with the U.S., but Washington's relationship with New Delhi has grown considerably in recent years, and Islamabad has concerns.
The two have long accused one another of sponsoring terrorism against the other and when it comes to India's accusations that Islamabad gives free rein to militant groups, Pakistan's permanent representative to the U.N. Munir Akram told Newsweek he hoped the U.S. "will play an objective role, that its position will not continue to be tainted by its desire for a military alliance with India."
"Of course, we think this whole idea of seeking an alliance is wrong," Akram told Newsweek, calling it "a bad idea for the West."
"We have plenty of evidence indicated that India is sponsoring terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan," he said, arguing that Pakistan has managed to bring its internal militant threat under control. "We have evidence, we presented the evidence, we're prepared to present more evidence."
"We are changing the story," he added.
The U.S., however, has cast suspicion on this claim, still viewing Pakistan as a place where violent insurgents operate freely. "We continue to urge Pakistan to take sustained and irreversible action to dismantle militant groups based in Pakistan that are a threat to the region and the world," a State Department spokesperson told Newsweek.
"The United States stands ready to work together with Pakistan as it meets its stated commitment to combat militant and terrorist groups without distinction," the spokesperson added.
As U.S. foreign policy shifts further into Asia, Washington's relations with regional states are changing. President Donald Trump's visit to India in February signified not only a strategic, but personal relationship with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at a time when his nation appears to be an increasingly important node in a U.S.-led partnership known as the "free and open Indo-Pacific," a grouping that also includes Australia, Japan and, to a lesser extent, some other regional nations.
This quasi-coalition, by nature, was not necessarily aimed at Pakistan, though, but its top partner, China.
A member of the Gujarat Police Force looks at a billboard depicting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (C-L) and U..S President Donald Trump (C-R) in the Motera locality of Ahmedabad on February 23, in preparations ahead of Trump's first official visit to India.SAM PANTHAKY/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
Last month, Defense Secretary Mark Esper designated China as the United States' top strategic competitor and Pompeo officially challenged Beijing's claims to the South China Sea before delivering a rallying cry to drum up international support against the People's Republic. Also in July, the U.S. conducted naval exercises alongside partners Australia, India and Japan in the waters they defined as the Indo-Pacific.
Washington has pledged to defend Canberra through the 1951 ANZUS Treaty and Tokyo through the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security of 1960. India, a close partner of the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War and still a top Russian defense client, is not a U.S. ally but it was named a "major defense partner" in 2016 and these ties are expanding.
"U.S.-India defense and military cooperation has increased significantly over the past two decades as part of the overall strengthening of our bilateral relationship, which reflects a deepening strategic convergence on a range of issues," the State Department spokesperson told Newsweek.
"The U.S.-India partnership advances our shared commitment to advance democracy and the rule of law, freedom of navigation, counterterrorism, and private sector-led economic growth in the Indo-Pacific region and globally," the spokesperson said.
The Indo-Pacific has become the primary theater for what the U.S.-led fold sees as a geopolitical and ideological battle. South China Sea tensions have run exceptionally high in recent years, and the U.S. has also challenged China on issues of sovereignty over Hong Kong and Taiwan, though none of these conflicts have drawn blood between the powers.
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These consultations appear to have halted the fighting, but a subtle war of words remains, especially with Chinese Foreign Ministery spokesperson Wang Wenbin recently declaring "any unilateral change to the status quo in the Kashmir region is illegal and invalid." The statement came exactly one year after India revoked the special semi-autonomous status of the share of Kashmir it controls, including Ladakh.
"The Chinese side has no locus standi whatsoever on this matter and is advised not to comment on the internal affairs of other nations," the Indian Foreign Ministry responded in a statement attributed to a spokesperson.
China then pushed the matter by raising the sensitive topic for discussion at the U.N. Security Council, further angering India. "This was not the first time that China has sought to raise a subject that is solely an internal matter of India," the Indian Foreign Ministry said. "As on such previous occasions, this attempt too met with little support from the international community."
"We firmly reject China's interference in our internal affairs and urge it to draw proper conclusions from such infructuous attempts," it added.
India's Kamorta corvette and other warships are seen from the deck of a U.S. Navy warship attached to the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group as they steam in formation during a cooperative deployment in the Indian Ocean, July 20. India was designated by the U.S. to be a "major defense partner" in 2016 and ties continue to expand as the U.S. seeks a broader Indo-Pacific coalition against China.MASS COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST 3RD CLASS OLIVIA BANMALLY NICHOLS/CARRIER STRIKE GROUP 11/U.S. NAVY
Akram told Newsweek that Pakistan recognized Aksai Chin's "strategic value" to China, saying that "for India to play the victim I think is rather hypocritical after bragging that it will take over the whole of Jammu and Kashmir including Aksai Chin." As Pakistan and India continue to battle over their own disputed Kashmir border, Islamabad and Beijing's ties have grown considerably over the past few years, especially so through a Chinese global economic investment plan that has frustrated the U.S.
The extensive China–Pakistan Economic Corridor is part of Chinese President Xi Jinping's intercontinental Belt and Road Initiative, which plans infrastructure projects and trade deals from East to West. Seen by some nations as a lifeline, Washington has set out to portray the endeavor as a debt-trap maneuver to give Beijing leverage over other governments.
Here too, Akram saw hypocrisy. "If you don't want the Chinese to do it, then you do it," he told Newsweek. "But don't tell us not to do it with the Chinese when you can't do it yourself, It is like a dog in the manger," he said. "The U.S. should, as you say, walk the talk."
"If the United States has real concerns that Chinese projects are unfair on terms that are not good enough, well, it should provide alternatives," he added.
Akram said he saw trade disputes between Washington and Beijing as "natural," but "the real problem arises when the United States seems to be encouraging separatism in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and such." He explained such issues "are vital for the Chinese, they understandably would resist, but these are not issues that are vital for the United States, neither is the South China Sea."
"We do not believe that there is, in objective terms, a rationale for a confrontation between China and the United States, so long as the two countries respect each other's systems, each other's vital national interests and each other's serenity and territorial integrity," he added.
Border defense units of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Xinjiang Military Command and Pakistan Armed Forces Khunjerab Security Force salute before a joint patrol in northwest China's Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region on June 26, 2018.
The U.S. and other countries have accused China of suppressing and incarcerating much of the Muslim Uighur minority in Xinjiang, where China and Pakistan share a narrow border.CHINESE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY
https://www.newsweek.com/pakistan-wary-us-india-military-alliance-against-china-1523148
BY TOM O'CONNOR ON 8/7/20 AT 12:36 PM EDT
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WORLDINTERNATIONAL AFFAIRSPAKISTANINDIACHINA
Pakistan's envoy to the United Nations has expressed wariness about the United States' growing military ties with India, a burgeoning partnership aimed at building a regional alliance against China, which he said need not be a U.S. foe
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar "reiterated the strength of the United States-India relationship to advance peace, prosperity, and security in the Indo-Pacific and around the globe" in a call Thursday, according to a readout provided by the State Department. The following day, Pompeo and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi "discussed a range of issues, including the importance of U.S.-Pakistan cooperation on the Afghan peace process and the importance of efforts to support regional stability."
Longtime rivals India and Pakistan have both fostered ties with the U.S., but Washington's relationship with New Delhi has grown considerably in recent years, and Islamabad has concerns.
The two have long accused one another of sponsoring terrorism against the other and when it comes to India's accusations that Islamabad gives free rein to militant groups, Pakistan's permanent representative to the U.N. Munir Akram told Newsweek he hoped the U.S. "will play an objective role, that its position will not continue to be tainted by its desire for a military alliance with India."
"Of course, we think this whole idea of seeking an alliance is wrong," Akram told Newsweek, calling it "a bad idea for the West."
"We have plenty of evidence indicated that India is sponsoring terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan," he said, arguing that Pakistan has managed to bring its internal militant threat under control. "We have evidence, we presented the evidence, we're prepared to present more evidence."
"We are changing the story," he added.
The U.S., however, has cast suspicion on this claim, still viewing Pakistan as a place where violent insurgents operate freely. "We continue to urge Pakistan to take sustained and irreversible action to dismantle militant groups based in Pakistan that are a threat to the region and the world," a State Department spokesperson told Newsweek.
"The United States stands ready to work together with Pakistan as it meets its stated commitment to combat militant and terrorist groups without distinction," the spokesperson added.
As U.S. foreign policy shifts further into Asia, Washington's relations with regional states are changing. President Donald Trump's visit to India in February signified not only a strategic, but personal relationship with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at a time when his nation appears to be an increasingly important node in a U.S.-led partnership known as the "free and open Indo-Pacific," a grouping that also includes Australia, Japan and, to a lesser extent, some other regional nations.
This quasi-coalition, by nature, was not necessarily aimed at Pakistan, though, but its top partner, China.
A member of the Gujarat Police Force looks at a billboard depicting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (C-L) and U..S President Donald Trump (C-R) in the Motera locality of Ahmedabad on February 23, in preparations ahead of Trump's first official visit to India.SAM PANTHAKY/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
Last month, Defense Secretary Mark Esper designated China as the United States' top strategic competitor and Pompeo officially challenged Beijing's claims to the South China Sea before delivering a rallying cry to drum up international support against the People's Republic. Also in July, the U.S. conducted naval exercises alongside partners Australia, India and Japan in the waters they defined as the Indo-Pacific.
Washington has pledged to defend Canberra through the 1951 ANZUS Treaty and Tokyo through the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security of 1960. India, a close partner of the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War and still a top Russian defense client, is not a U.S. ally but it was named a "major defense partner" in 2016 and these ties are expanding.
"U.S.-India defense and military cooperation has increased significantly over the past two decades as part of the overall strengthening of our bilateral relationship, which reflects a deepening strategic convergence on a range of issues," the State Department spokesperson told Newsweek.
"The U.S.-India partnership advances our shared commitment to advance democracy and the rule of law, freedom of navigation, counterterrorism, and private sector-led economic growth in the Indo-Pacific region and globally," the spokesperson said.
The Indo-Pacific has become the primary theater for what the U.S.-led fold sees as a geopolitical and ideological battle. South China Sea tensions have run exceptionally high in recent years, and the U.S. has also challenged China on issues of sovereignty over Hong Kong and Taiwan, though none of these conflicts have drawn blood between the powers.
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These consultations appear to have halted the fighting, but a subtle war of words remains, especially with Chinese Foreign Ministery spokesperson Wang Wenbin recently declaring "any unilateral change to the status quo in the Kashmir region is illegal and invalid." The statement came exactly one year after India revoked the special semi-autonomous status of the share of Kashmir it controls, including Ladakh.
"The Chinese side has no locus standi whatsoever on this matter and is advised not to comment on the internal affairs of other nations," the Indian Foreign Ministry responded in a statement attributed to a spokesperson.
China then pushed the matter by raising the sensitive topic for discussion at the U.N. Security Council, further angering India. "This was not the first time that China has sought to raise a subject that is solely an internal matter of India," the Indian Foreign Ministry said. "As on such previous occasions, this attempt too met with little support from the international community."
"We firmly reject China's interference in our internal affairs and urge it to draw proper conclusions from such infructuous attempts," it added.
India's Kamorta corvette and other warships are seen from the deck of a U.S. Navy warship attached to the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group as they steam in formation during a cooperative deployment in the Indian Ocean, July 20. India was designated by the U.S. to be a "major defense partner" in 2016 and ties continue to expand as the U.S. seeks a broader Indo-Pacific coalition against China.MASS COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST 3RD CLASS OLIVIA BANMALLY NICHOLS/CARRIER STRIKE GROUP 11/U.S. NAVY
Akram told Newsweek that Pakistan recognized Aksai Chin's "strategic value" to China, saying that "for India to play the victim I think is rather hypocritical after bragging that it will take over the whole of Jammu and Kashmir including Aksai Chin." As Pakistan and India continue to battle over their own disputed Kashmir border, Islamabad and Beijing's ties have grown considerably over the past few years, especially so through a Chinese global economic investment plan that has frustrated the U.S.
The extensive China–Pakistan Economic Corridor is part of Chinese President Xi Jinping's intercontinental Belt and Road Initiative, which plans infrastructure projects and trade deals from East to West. Seen by some nations as a lifeline, Washington has set out to portray the endeavor as a debt-trap maneuver to give Beijing leverage over other governments.
Here too, Akram saw hypocrisy. "If you don't want the Chinese to do it, then you do it," he told Newsweek. "But don't tell us not to do it with the Chinese when you can't do it yourself, It is like a dog in the manger," he said. "The U.S. should, as you say, walk the talk."
"If the United States has real concerns that Chinese projects are unfair on terms that are not good enough, well, it should provide alternatives," he added.
Akram said he saw trade disputes between Washington and Beijing as "natural," but "the real problem arises when the United States seems to be encouraging separatism in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and such." He explained such issues "are vital for the Chinese, they understandably would resist, but these are not issues that are vital for the United States, neither is the South China Sea."
"We do not believe that there is, in objective terms, a rationale for a confrontation between China and the United States, so long as the two countries respect each other's systems, each other's vital national interests and each other's serenity and territorial integrity," he added.
Border defense units of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Xinjiang Military Command and Pakistan Armed Forces Khunjerab Security Force salute before a joint patrol in northwest China's Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region on June 26, 2018.
The U.S. and other countries have accused China of suppressing and incarcerating much of the Muslim Uighur minority in Xinjiang, where China and Pakistan share a narrow border.CHINESE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY
https://www.newsweek.com/pakistan-wary-us-india-military-alliance-against-china-1523148
You are to be taken super credibly at "talks"???:
Art 370
Arabs line up to give medals and awards to chaiwalla
Pakistan peeks head out of its dilapidated room promises to stronkity stronk talk at KL with erdo and maha
Arabs: No, I dont think you will...thaaapad!
Pakistan: *shuffles back to its room to look at ertugrul smut*...all the while sniffing
oh my god second largest army! we will do this,we will do that hahaha. where is your prestige nilgiri?
we need help allies. hahaha
i can understand your feelings bro.bad times xd
You Pakistanis are behaving like SHEIKH CHILLI --Day dreaming too much
Who is stopping BOTH of you to start a war right now and take Kashmir
Infact you have disappointed China by not doing anything so far
Why have you appointed a senior officer in PLA.HQ
yeah if they can break out of Mediterranean sea. They are just big mouths, if nato/USA starts dealing with them like they do with russia/china then they will rot in their own country. They have no idea how vulnerable their position is, its high time those morons took a geography lessons before they bite their own d*** off.
Last week kafee sunk an IN scorpion off the coast of gujarat. @Arsalan123 is the only guy on this forum who knows the wrecks location. So be kind to him or he won’t disclose its location to IN.You are to be taken super credibly at "talks"???:
Art 370
Arabs line up to give medals and awards to chaiwalla
Pakistan peeks head out of its dilapidated room promises to stronkity stronk talk at KL with erdo and maha
Arabs: No, I dont think you will...thaaapad!
Pakistan: *shuffles back to its room to look at ertugrul smut*...all the while sniffing
