after our pilot was released we realized only a single phone call was needed to scare the crows , hahaha.
just keep waiting for another one........ hahaha.
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just keep waiting for another one........ hahaha.
Thank you very much, but I doubt IAF was ever prepared. They cann't even defend the country against a flock of pegions because of dismal procurement bureaucracy of India. IAF is perpetually underprepared because it is the most neglected part of the indian defence establishment.
Indeed. India is a country run by incompetent bureaucrats which also happens to have defence forces. Pakistan is a defence force which also happens to run a country, incompetently. You are right, they cann't be compared.
You are wrong. IAF WANTED to hit the building but got their calculations wrong because they forgot to consider elevation.
PAF wanted to hit a target deep into India but had to abort that mission and instead abortively chose a target which was laughable. You know, you can hit that particular brigade headquarter with artilleries without any PAF needed. Even then your bombs didn't hit or even detonate. It was a failure as clear as it could be.
You know, I always look the birds in my courtyard but that does not mean I can catch them by just looking at them. That TV guidance requires constantly guiding the bomb. Something made the PAF pilot to quit their station and stop guiding the weapon. Otherwise the weapon would have reach the target.
Leaving aside all of this, it does not explain why PAF had to mobilize all of its planes to abortively try hitting a building which is less than 20 KM from its controlled territory? A simple artillery bombardment would have done the job of hitting the building.
Clearly, PAF had a real surprise in mind but had to abort it and as a consolation, dropped unexploded bombs in a field near that HQ.
Errr... Is that your/PAF excuse of not having any evidence?
Air superiority leads to ground superiority and achiving real objectives. Otherwise, why waste so much fuel and risk your fighters? What was the objective, if anything? Dropping bombs that fail to explode? Failing to hit a target that was in range and still in range of your artillery? I mean what next? Taking a 747 to reach the bathroom?
IAF dropped bombs to hit 50 KM inside Pakistan's territory in KPK. India does not have any artillery to hit that deep inside Pakistan, unless they escalate to ballistic missiles. If PAF and Pakistan wanted to do the same, they should have hit somewhere deep, say on Ambala or deep in Gujrat. Not a Army HQ next door.
You still fail to answer one simple question : What objective was achieved? Or what objective was there to begin with? You showed the limit of your ability, thats all. You had to employ most of your airforce. But you failed to even hold one single prisoner for more than 24 hours. What were you gues actually planning to achieve?
FYI. It did not deter India from annexing Kashmir Valley.
You do realize that Rajouri is merely 14 KM away from LoC, don't you? Compare this to that madarsa/terror training camp near Bisian. Its about 50 KM away from the LoC. Its not even Kashmir anymore but KPK.
oh yeah it was a beautiful morning. birds were chirping. vipers entered silently. thunders and mirages dropped bombs. all bmd systems, all hype! it was like a shattered dream!
i can't comment on Kashmir right now because no talk between governments and let me tell you one thing clearly! Pakistan doesn't accept abrogation. it was frustration by India. everyone knows. frustration of Feb. 27. abrogation was like a game. a game to start war with Pakistan. a war which Pakistan initiate so that India becomes victim again, just like old days!
answer to your question is simple. if you send fighters, we will send fighters. if you fire artillery, we will fire artillery. you dropped bombs so it was inappropriate for us to fire artillery. country was furious and everyone wanted a revenge so we did it in our own way. we can target Ambala easily, any day! our job was to drop bombs on vacant places and not to initiate war. we don't want to fight war. we have told this to you through multiple channels but your government doesn't understand. our answer was simple and to the point.
i know in near future, you can try to attack some other place but trust me, response will be given swiftly. i mean who attacks in the morning? we did it. we did it openly. no fear!
it wasn't about abhi. we don't take pride in it. we don't want to make fun of Indian pilot. all funny stuff you saw was because of emotions. people in Pakistan don't want India to attack Pakistan. for us, Kashmir is the only problem but you don't want to solve it and you are not sincere. 24 hours or 24 months, it doesn't matter. capturing pilot was like a bonus. real target was to hit the jets and we did it. our missiles are working. our tactics are working and we are happy. we aren't sad. your pilot is also a human being. we don't want to insult a pilot. we saved him from people. people were really angry. nobody can attack us. this is our redline. usually we attack first! it's our history! you attacked us first on Feb. 26 so we were really angry and that's the bottom line. obviously in your country, you will hear stories. that f-16 story, no facts. that jf-17 performed badly, no facts. just stories. you have to look at your enemy and what it's telling you. you must hear from both sides.
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you used spice bombs. check it's range. anyway I don't want to argue you. i can't persuade you to accept my version. you will find many here who will call us cowards. this doesn't change reality. we love our machines, our jets. i have seen young boys who wants to become a pilot. our soldiers are already fighting a war which might not end in near future. you know situation of our economy but none can undo Pakistan! we are a Force! a power! nobody can dictate us. we dictate others. we are merciful. we still don't want to harm you because this abrogation, it's just a piece of paper. i remember how you celebrated. it doesn't affect us.
So?
Thats interesting. So the best way for India to settle Kashmir matter is ... to do it unilaterally? Meaning Pakistan won't do a damn thing because "It does not want to allow India to become victim, again". So India should just go ahead and change demographics of Kashmir and settle the matter once and for all. Wonderful! I love it!
In real military, its not you fly plane we fly plane. Its you try to blow up our civilians, we blow your forces that tried it.
We sent the bombs 50 KM into Pakistan, right? Into territory that is not even disputed? What kind of eye for an eye is this where I throw salt in your eye and you just throw water into mine?
I mean if all Pakistan wanted to see was some fighters flying then it could have broadcasted Top Gun! A real military answer would be to attack deep inside India, to places where the attack orginated. To tell IAF that it is not secure after attacking Pakistan! Or atleast bombarding Ambala to show that PAF is capable of striking deep inside India.
Errr... We dropped bombs because artillery shells do not go 50 KM away.
What kind of revenge when your bombs dont even reach the target and even fail to detonate. You don't let an incompetent enemy escape when he is incompetent. You don't wait for that enemy to get stronger. You hit it and hit it hard.
Didn't you learn anything from 71? India attacked you when you were weak and achieved its strategic objective of breaking a potential two head enemy into just one headed enemy. Thats called achieving an objective. Your attack in Kargil, though poorly planned and poorly executed atleast had an objective: to spring a surprise attack and capture parts of Kashmir. What was this time? Emotions? I mean seriously?
Apparently no one paid any heed to your answer because it was a cop out. And why is PAF so worried about not initiating a war. It was India which bombed your territory. No matter the bombs missed or not. It was an attack on Pakistan! Whats this "We don't want to fight war"? I thought you guys were supposed to be "brave" or something?
Its not the courage that matter, its the objectives that do.
Cut the clutter man, I only asked for objectives. That swift retort was just that. A stupid retort with no planning. I mean what plan could be forumlated in those hours. It was a Hail Mery to hit somewhere deep in India but it failed and dropped the bomb on empty lots.
Its your foturne that IAF was even more incompetent that it sent Mig - 21s with underpowered missiles.
For India it was a wakeup call to modernize its aresenal. And that is ongoing. Pakistan? I doubt anything is ongoing.
Here's Swift Retort from biraadar mumaalik. I don't quite understand why & how UAE turned on Paxtan all of a sudden. I mean Dimran did what every Pashtun in the Gulf does best when he sees an Arab - play the chauffeur. He also played the good host when they decided to go houbara hunting. The PA regularly salaams their Arab masters as mercenaries do. Then how did this happen? Was it SMQ who shot off his mouth a few months ago or the fact that Paxtan is getting in bed with Turkey or did Modi do some backroom maneuvering to screw your backroom. The jury is out on that one. But not on this -
@Arsalan123 ; @safriz
@Arsalan123 ; @safriz
Indeed we did, though with massive dose of incompetence to miss elevation during programming the bombs. We do know that due to the range of the bombs they easily reached KPK. Whats the point?
You do know both of the above are false.
Well you folks keep on calling yourself brave or whatever. I still don't know what kind of bravery in "wont initiate war when enemy does".
Good for you. America has been pretty generous with you folks.
Oh well, boys played well.
Jesus Christ! No one in India wants to undo Pakistan. If that happens India will loose motivation to play cricket. Pakistan is India's Kryptonite.
Merciful enough to forgive '71? Or forgive Indian annexation of Kashmir?
Err... That piece of paper removed another piece of paper that was prevening Indian businesses from buying land in Kashmir in bulk. Sure as hell in coming decade or so most of Kashmiri real estate will be owned by Adanis and Ambanis with Kashmiri pushed out to UP or Maharashtra.
Good!
Pls note the emphasis on the word poor. I think all ghairatmand Paxtanis should shun the vaccine from kafir mulk till such time as halal vaccine is developed. Your views? @safriz ; @Arsalan123
A billboard from the same area in Pakistan
On a serious note, this guy should be indian military attache in Pakistan.
We like a brave enemy, and he was one.
On a serious note, this guy should be indian military attache in Pakistan.
We like a brave enemy, and he was one.
How can you be sure that IAF missed the target?
Suppose NTRO was lied about the 300 cell phones that suddenly get flat lined.
How can you justify the one and half month of interval where the PA allows the outsiders to access the Balakot?
I had one specific doubt.
Why the Indians tried to feed the trolls in Pakistan?
I am asking ,Pakistanis really obsessed whether we give attention to them or not .
Why should we try to convince them to agree to our opinion.?And also unnecessary mocking them
Its kind of disgusting and obsession.
I have seen these disease especially among North Indians.
Our people need to be more disciplined and decent
I was listening to the Gladiator theme on Youtube as I was watching this.
