Kashmir : Counter Terror Operation Updates and Discussions

AbRaj said:
MEA consists of IAS officers who work for salary and other benefits.
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Remember folks, I called out the holy trinity of "Baabu Neta Businessman"?
Baabu is the worst of them.
Look at the Chinese forces. They alway come with service issued camera. Our folks are supposed to carry their personal mobile phones.
We will lose because we cannt play dirty.
If it were to me, we should capture few of these slant-eyed characters and strip them naked and show the world how small their penises really are.

But then
"Baabu hai to kaaboo hei".
"Na koi ghusa hei and no ko ghus aaya hei".


We deserve the administration and government that we have.


For those who think that this all "Social media" drama, it is actually a psychological warfare. Right infront of us.
 
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AbRaj said:
MEA consists of IAS officers who work for salary and other benefits.

What can they do anyway when Modi ji the great himself said this.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1288033879958278145
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Seriously, to protect his image he disrespected the killed soldiers.

In Parliament, we will die for Aksai chin, in reality, no it's not our area. 😶

On the Pentagon report, some fanboys are saying China captured this area in 1959, so it means we are giving up claim on that area. If the pentagon report shows that area as a part of China then these fanboys will cry again. Just anything to protect this govt image.
 
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safriz said:
Baloch and Pushtoons were given the right of referendum, and they voted to join Pakistan.
It's historical fact .
Kashmiris were never given that right. They were forcefully absorbed In India , because some Raja said so.
There's the difference between indian rubbish stance and Pakistans rightful position about Kashmir.
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You must have read this in Madrasa text book. Khan Abdul Gafar khan wanted to join republic of India to which our visionless politicians denied. State of kalat also wanted to join India but our mindless politicians denied on the ground of being too far. Jhina get it done by false promises and deception. None of the provience excep punjab wants to remain with Pakistan. All these leaders are in exile and runs their moment from from soil.
 
safriz said:
Hope they decide another February 2019 style "Surgical ish - trike"
We need to test some new weapons.
That will be a great help 😁
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But you couldn't fire a missile against our plane. We didn't give you a chance. How would you test the weapons? Your Chinese bomb didn't explode.
 
AbRaj said:
MEA consists of IAS officers who work for salary and other benefits.
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MEA consists of IFS officers not IAS officers. Both undergo different training, both have different cadre and both have different work style.
AbRaj said:
BTW any Bihari here who can explain why they talk so much but when time comes, they are the first to runaway and surrender
@screambowl I believe you are a Bihari.
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16 Bihar was led by a Col, Babu of Telangana. Are we going to disrespect the armed forces?
 
screambowl said:
MEA consists of IFS officers not IAS officers. Both undergo different training, both have different cadre and both have different work style.
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Not much different. The top rangers get IAF while rest get IAS posts. Both recruit from the same group of people.
screambowl said:
16 Bihar was led by a Col, Babu of Telangana. Are we going to disrespect the armed forces?
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So in honour of the death of Col Babu, all the superior Bihari soldiers surrendered and did Muruga in front of PLA soldiers ?
Seems very logical
 
AbRaj said:
Not much different. The top rangers get IAF while rest get IAS posts. Both recruit from the same group of people.
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Agreed but IAS cadre is scrutinized more than any IFS . Till now IFS has remained away from the wrath of vigilance most of the times.
AbRaj said:
So in honour of the death of Col Babu, all the superior Bihari soldiers surrendered and did Muruga in front of PLA soldiers ?
Seems very logical
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Ask them if they fled then court martial them. Go ahead. I am not defending any one unlike you defending the wrong doing with fake regional pride. That's the difference between us and you all.
 
screambowl said:
Agreed but IAS cadre is scrutinized more than any IFS . Till now IFS has remained away from the wrath of vigilance most of the times.


Ask them if they fled then court martial them. Go ahead. I am not defending any one unlike you defending the wrong doing with fake regional pride. That's the difference between us and you all.
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The Chinese started releasing picture after indian media started claiming own forces have arrested PLA in AP that too before 13th round of talks as usual no proof whatsoever anyway this did throw the chinis into a psyop frenzy, but what concerns me more is the fact that in all the pictures PLA is able to mobilize it's forces quickly look at all the riot gear they are having you don't go on a patrol with riot gear on, so the conclusion is PLA has better mobility so they are able to leverage their 4*4s and boats and what not but own forces have to walk on foot but I did saw a safari 4*4 near the clash site don't know the location could be y-junction, possibly reached there with much difficulty anyway the PLA will dominate IA numerically if we are not able to mobilize as and when required in strength, the PLA is building roads everywhere, and we have just begun but nothing close to what the PLA has, anyway I think CCP too has noticed this once our infra development is complete they can pretty much forget about salami slicing so now they building villages and what not to consolidate their claim and possibly try and get vantage positions where ever possible to bring our bridges and roads under direct LoS, but the deafening silence of GoI pissess me off. if we have any pictures whatsoever pretty good chance they will be released prior to UP election otherwise there is pretty good chance we got our asses kicked pretty bad
 
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Demonknight119 said:
The Chinese started releasing picture after indian media started claiming own forces have arrested PLA in AP that too before 13th round of talks as usual no proof whatsoever anyway this did throw the chinis into a psyop frenzy,
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They are building a narrative. One of the photo is from a video still where Indian soldiers are pushing back PLA from Indian territory. Other one with captured troops is may be true.

Demonknight119 said:
if we have any pictures whatsoever pretty good chance they will be released prior to UP election otherwise there is pretty good chance we got our asses kicked pretty bad
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That is one right assessment. But let's wait. A lot of things depend on UP elections.

Demonknight119 said:
anyway I think CCP too has noticed this once our infra development is complete they can pretty much forget about salami slicing so now they building villages
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They most probably will play like Pakistan. Settle people near border area and when there is some action they can mobilize human rights etc and blame India at the world stage.

India's failed Indian Foreign Service is responsible for this. These idiots advice the PMO all wrong stuff.
Demonknight119 said:
but the deafening silence of GoI pissess me off.
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Government should remain silent for some time and not let Chinese asses Indian move. The thing to piss off about is you still have that S Jainshanker jerk responsible for failed negotiations in Ladakh and another buildup near EAST. And then you have ex foreign secretaries scaring the government of tough situation ahead, even when army knows it can handle them.
 
What is most hilarious in this debacle called "Na Koi Ghusa ...." is this much : A communist regime is releasing more pictures and videos of confrontation than us, a democracy. IF we had done any kind of damage to Chinese forces and held them hostage or anything real, they would have thought TWICE before releasing pictures. Why? It will hurt their 10 foot Chinese narrative. A communist totalitarian government cares MORE about the narrative in their own conutry than anything else. When there were real casualties on Chinese side last year, it took them quite sometime to give ANY kind of number. THEY do not have any apetite to look anything but perfect.

AND YET... we do not do ANY kind of propaganda war against them. We do not hit their vulnerability. Its truely mind boggling. I believe either we promised something too big in those 50-60 rounds of negotiation to the effect of taking ALL the beating lying down in return of China NOT attacking delhi directly or something.

Its not the first time, in our confrontation with Pakistan in 2019, all we could muster was some Microsoft paint pictures while the other side praded Abhinandan in a fashion very reminiscent of how Russia paraded Nazi troops. And all we had were some theories and some stupid hastily drawn pictures. I mean, we are supposed to believe that we calculated the amount of explosive SO accurately that the blast did not move even the roof of the structure. We celebrated image artifacts as "entry points" for ordinance. Weird things we do. A single volley of missiles on the damn place would have stopped all the discussion and put Pakistan on backfoot for ever.

Entire government machinery is running like headless chicken since then. Making some oddball purchases, most of them have not materialized till now. What needs to be purchased 30 years back is now being ordered in minuscule amounts for astronomical prices. Doing Shagun once more, eh?

Its funny! In years before Korean war, China was fighting USA. It never hesitates in fighting a power bigger than itself. India will take a knee or two if even Maldives threaten us.

From where I see, the government have ABSOLUTELY NO faith in our forces ... for all we know they might be right.

There is something particular about our nation that breeds cowardice and incompetence. May be we celebrate existence a bit too much. The fact that we are not wiped out after Islamic onslaught and British conquest is not exactly worthy of celebration. The fact that we did not EVER dare to attack Pakistan in earnest is something to be ashamed of.
 
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Saaho said:
Remember folks, I called out the holy trinity of "Baabu Neta Businessman"?
Baabu is the worst of them.
Look at the Chinese forces. They alway come with service issued camera. Our folks are supposed to carry their personal mobile phones.
We will lose because we cannt play dirty.
If it were to me, we should capture few of these slant-eyed characters and strip them naked and show the world how small their penises really are.

But then
"Baabu hai to kaaboo hei".
"Na koi ghusa hei and no ko ghus aaya hei".


We deserve the administration and government that we have.


For those who think that this all "Social media" drama, it is actually a psychological warfare. Right infront of us.
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India has not evolved a proper nationalism as its a new nationstate (especially for its size and context).

You understand this, everything else makes a ton of sense.
 
Nilgiri said:
India has not evolved a proper nationalism as its a new nationstate (especially for its size and context).

You understand this, everything else makes a ton of sense.
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Dogs don't have nationalism. You kick one and it bites back. This is not a question of nationalism. This is a question of basic incompetence. Its a question of absolute and total cowardice plain and simple.
 
If you dont have it, of course you will be a coward. Cowardliness is the basic ingredient that realised incompetence requires (and vice versa in chicken ad egg format).

I didn't like 3 - 4 massive unnecessary utter debacle of retreats China did in the shanghai - nanking corridor....that did not allow even a basic potential for encirclement of the invader.

No english or foreign literature explores this in any detail needed. You either know Chinese and the archives...or you dont.

Did CKS infer after the utter devastation wrought on his port city....that the arrogant nip would remember of the time he sheltered and nurtured his so called mentor? Where is this talked about in weibo? Or is weibo a monolith like CCP?

On a scale of 1 - 100....what is the level "elevated + time available" bharatis are at to answer this kind of question? (its bad even for developed world btw). I'd be kind if I say even 1 or 2.

Anyway I digress....That era (that everyone neatly puts as "century of humiliation and forgets about it).....was quite a dip in nationstate psyche for them traditionally....and it brought out a tremendous cowardice (of an unparalleled scale in the 20th century).... that went on to the degree they later starved entire cities (of own people) by their own hand after the invader got kicked enough (and nuked twice) by whitey foreigner.

This spawned all kind of residual cowardliness as the state oriented itself and tried settle into the assumed mandate.

But you see, the bedrock there for nationstate was formed 2000 years arguably....so much so its very language is oriented a number of ways by it (unlike anywhere else in the world). That is how they harness things quite easily no matter the tribulation faced (even by and mostly by their own hand).

Not the case for Bharat....not even close....and it is imperative to realise the state of that basic clay....and what best to do with it.

All things our "leaders" and "system" rather not talk about one bit.....forget knowing about. It is frog in well stuff in this area.

So now here we are talking about border fringe stuff....on ice capades....from this yet to reach centurion nationstate.
 
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AbRaj said:
Posting it here since I’m barred from posting in LAC thread.
@Ashwin @Gautam

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457175215432216576

Damn that’s humiliating. Chinese do know how to degrade the enemy.
Meanwhile IA fanboys are trying to cope up with routine excuses like ROE and morphed video etc.
But what else can one expect from baboons of IA who can’t decide a damn rifle in two decades and finally had to do their routine ‘Emergency purchase’ when Chinese started to beat them black and blue.
BTW any Bihari here who can explain why they talk so much but when time comes, they are the first to runaway and surrender
@screambowl I believe you are a Bihari.
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Capturing and getting captured without any tangible gains isn’t of any use.

What’s the benefit of this conflict for China?

The whole point of bullying was India stop border infrastructure development, which has rather increased after Galwan.

And the whole point of border infrastructure development was to become an offensive force than defensive since 1962.

India captured southern bank of pangong tso after Galwan, which India used for negotiations. Using more than year old conflict with sticks and stones is helplessness of PLA from doing anything on ground.
 
Cole_phelps said:
Capturing and getting captured without any tangible gains isn’t of any use.

What’s the benefit of this conflict for China?

The whole point of bullying was India stop border infrastructure development, which has rather increased after Galwan.

And the whole point of border infrastructure development was to become an offensive force than defensive since 1962.

India captured southern bank of pangong tso after Galwan, which India used for negotiations. Using more than year old conflict with sticks and stones is helplessness of PLA from doing anything on ground.
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Small skirmishes are always done before full fledged war, to gauge enemy preparedness and will to fight. It’s how all wars (we fought ) started.
Plus, they are already holding a lot of our territories and have successfully encroached some more during last conflict.
 
Cole_phelps said:
India captured southern bank of pangong tso after Galwan, which India used for negotiations.
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chinese are probing how far India can be pushed back. Every time we accept negotiations it is a sign that we are willing to give territory and they keep slicing more. Even though India keeps saying we will fight back , puts up a show of weapons display it displays a lot of hesitation which virtually confirms nothing much will happen.

Last but not least is when the last confrontation took place boys were busy playing the bengal elections game and this time it is UP elections. UP elections is supposed to be the most important from political perspective to ensure clinging on to power , that border issue will not get any attention. chinese have understood Indian politicians & economy like back of their hand they know when to create trouble.
 
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