LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

There is article by Indranil roy about this nose cones.. mk1 Mk2 , how the diameter is reduced ..
Confidence in getting systems with less safety margins... Like the gap between radar and nose is reduced... Minimal increase in TRMs but nose cone diameter is reduced ..pitot tube is removed from nose cone etc etc..

Nose cone diameter reduction reduces radar cross section & drag.. etc
The pitot tube on Mk1/A affects the FoV of the radar antenna. So its good that Mk2 won't have one. If we can do the same on Mk1/A, it should be possible to fit a swashplate + Mk2 antenna. Its radome is larger anyway.

Lets hope the new DRDO/NAL composite radome does away with PT + provides same or better sensitivity as the Cobham one.


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That's all we could realistically aim for back then considering we had very little domestic industry. We had to import everything from tank shells to artillery ammo. It wasn't feasible to spend forex to buy scores of reserves that could supply a long war. Our strategic focus was almost entirely on Pakistan - which also had the same problems, so a long war was never gonna happen.

But this can't be the thinking going ahead if war with an industrialized China is a possibility. Thankfully, we've already formed the base for these long-war capabilities as far as air power was concerned. Knowingly or unknowingly, since we decided to follow Western standards in engine & airframe for our domestic projects.

Army will follow later. They know that emergency procurement whenever things heat up isn't a workable solution in the long term. They're already working on it with long term procurement plans:


We're also going for long-term storage of perishables like explosives & solid fuel charges in underground climate-controlled facilities (like US & China already do).

Anyway, as I was saying:

 
Hmm, they looked at Russian -Ukraine war and thought that it's gonna be same for us.

Do geniuses at IAF think our war with China gonna be some fist fighting where we take turns at each other? It's gonna be fast, precise and decided in days.
Ukraine survived till date not because of its indigenous weapoms, its because they sourced weapons from outside.

During a long lasting war with china or against china pak coalition or China Russia coalition our production plants for weapons will be destroyed easily, we need external supplies to fight war then. So instead of purchasing only desi weapons we need to diversity weapoms to NATO countries.

For example Ukraine needs to send people to get trained in F16 when there was an offer of F16 from west. Had Ukraine operates F16 prior to the war, their pilots would have acquainted with F16 already and they could have simply borrow F16 from west directly fly that holly sh!t to Russia to destroy them.
 
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Hmm, they looked at Russian -Ukraine war and thought that it's gonna be same for us.

Do geniuses at IAF think our war with China gonna be some fist fighting where we take turns at each other? It's gonna be fast, precise and decided in days.
Do you have any comprehension skills? All the incidents since 1999 have been short conflicts in the subcontinent. Even the 1999 war was on a relatively short scale. So it is implied that such short scale conflicts won't be the case rather a long scale war will be more likely.

So rather than questioning "IAF geniuses" maybe try properly reading the statements first.
 
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Hmm, they looked at Russian -Ukraine war and thought that it's gonna be same for us.

Do geniuses at IAF think our war with China gonna be some fist fighting where we take turns at each other? It's gonna be fast, precise and decided in days.

The only way for it to be over in days is if India capitulates quickly.

Already addressed this in previous posts on this same thread, go through them.

TLDR: Neither of us right now has the sheer technological or quantitative advantage (in terms of forward-deployed capabilities) needed to crush the other decisively & quickly. So if a war starts & China is unable to finish it quickly in its favour, they will have 2 options: either accept the stalemate with India (which carries with it the stigma of accepting India as a peer/equal of China, which PRC is adamant that we're not) OR take the war deep, which they would then be guaranteed to win as they're an industrialized power and we're not (yet).

Ukraine survived till date not because of its indigenous weapoms, its because they sourced weapons from outside.

During a long lasting war with china or against china pak coalition or China Russia coalition our production plants for weapons will be destroyed easily, we need external supplies to fight war then. So instead of purchasing only desi weapons we need to diversity weapoms to NATO countries.

For example Ukraine needs to send people to get trained in F16 when there was an offer of F16 from west. Had Ukraine operates F16 prior to the war, their pilots would have acquainted with F16 already and they could have simply borrow F16 from west directly fly that holly sh!t to Russia to destroy them.

Ukraine had little to no good air platforms before the war (save for the handful of old Flankers, Fencers etc.) They're air force was nearly dysfunctional.

We have a good number of airframes already. As long as we disperse during the build-up to active hostilities (which Ukraine also did, but it didn't matter cuz they had so few), they would last for at least a few months of intense sortie rate, which Ukraine could never put up. Our LCAs, M2Ks & Rafales would last much, much longer unfortunately we only have ~120 of them right now.

Support from US can be a nice to have, but cannot be counted upon (as Ukraine too is finding out now). So buying F16s just for the hope that they might be resupplied during a war would be quite foolish. Trump would choose a more favourable trade deal with China over resupplying India any day of the week. Not to mention, we can never build up a sufficiently large fleet that way.

Yeah, it's fine to get payloads from abroad in order to resupply faster in case our factories get bombed (and we're already doing that, most of our artillery & ammo is NATO-standard + we're procuring Javelin) cuz payloads are something that's gonna be constantly in rotation. They are like fast-moving consumer goods (FMCG) during a war.

But platforms cannot be treated that way, not modern ones. We're not in WW2 or even early Cold War were building & supplying airframes was quick, cheap & simple. Modern 4.5 gens are extremely sophisticated & expensive. They're not easy to replace, or easy to produce rapidly.

The only realistic option is to build out sufficiently large numbers of aircraft designed with long-lasting engines & airframes, PRIOR to the war.
 
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Hmm, they looked at Russian -Ukraine war and thought that it's gonna be same for us.

Do geniuses at IAF think our war with China gonna be some fist fighting where we take turns at each other? It's gonna be fast, precise and decided in days.

Nope. It's gonna be exactly that. I had always brought it up after 2020 in my discussions with Hellfire. When he was unhappy about the govt not having taken military action, I pointed out that the Chinese can wage war pratically indefinitely compared to India when he said we need to focus on small victories. The last thing the Chinese will do is allow any Sino-India war to end with an Indian advantage.

The Ukraine war has further solidified that viewpoint.

It's a somewhat different story with Pakistan, but that has a lot to do with their poor weapons inventories and logistics capabilities, not to mention their weak economics and internal security, especially at the western border. If allowed to build up, they can become a problem too.

One of the biggest reasons is battle tanks have not undergone a significant change in technology and tactics whereas anti-armor tactics and surveillance systems have changed quite a bit. If tanks regain their lost momentum, it can shift again.

But since tanks are not particularly useful in the mountains, it's gonna be a fist-fight with the Chinese. Hellfire said any war over control of Tibet will take many years and many lives, WW2-class casualties. So we are preparing for a long war that could potentially happen in the 2040s.