LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Apart from the char-sau-bees Pakistanis, the real threats today are just J-10s, J-11BGs, J-16s, and J-20s. They come up to about 1200 jets. Out of that, the WS-15 equipped J-20s have started only from this year. The rest of the Chinese fleet is quite useless due to the Tibetan wall or due to obsolescence.

Today, only 50-60 J-10Cs and 14 J-20s are deployed against India in Tibet. And there are another 100-200 jets elsewhere. It's not 700. You are counting the stuff deployed closer to Mongolia and Central Asia. Most of their 4th gen and higher are deployed in the plains to the east.

And we don't need one jet for every one of theirs. Fighters protect airspace, so numbers are determined by the size of the airspace and how many jets you might lose protecting it. We just need 100 jets each on both sides for air defense, the rest are for attrition replacements and other roles.

I don't know from where you got the 1200 jets number for China & WS15 equipping from 2026 data. These datas are not correct as per my knowledge & information.

Anyway, If you consider the security threat perceptions of China , they've at present very negligible threats from its north, west & south in air domain EXCEPT INDIA. The entire deployment of it's assets in these region can be deployed against India at a time if they want. So the number 700 is not exaggeration but realistic. Threat perceptions don't work on minor skirmish & short term threat negotiations. These work on log term sustainability.

When China will attack ( which is certain to happen) Taiwan , the maximum deployment apart from the war front will be on our side to deter us from any plan against their actions.

Yes ,Our airspace is smaller than Chinese airspace. But the actual thing is WHO HAS MORE CONTESTED AIRSPACE. China is empowering Pakistan & now even Bangladesh ( as per latest news) to increase area of our contested airspace along with Chinese border.

One to one platform deployment is not possible for us , especially against China, as of next 20 to 30 years and that's reality. But we can't deny the minimum deterrence envelope. So, a 60 to 65 squadron strength is an undeniable reality.

Along with that we've to get technological & manufacturing parity with China too in quick time. Because a war/ conflict is all about sustainable resource management. Pakistan is a no match for us , but it is ofcourse a threat to be countered.

 

[PhotonVish]

I don't know from where you got the 1200 jets number for China & WS15 equipping from 2026 data. These datas are not correct as per my knowledge & information.

Anyway, If you consider the security threat perceptions of China , they've at present very negligible threats from its north, west & south in air domain EXCEPT INDIA. The entire deployment of it's assets in these region can be deployed against India at a time if they want. So the number 700 is not exaggeration but realistic. Threat perceptions don't work on minor skirmish & short term threat negotiations. These work on log term sustainability.

When China will attack ( which is certain to happen) Taiwan , the maximum deployment apart from the war front will be on our side to deter us from any plan against their actions.

Yes ,Our airspace is smaller than Chinese airspace. But the actual thing is WHO HAS MORE CONTESTED AIRSPACE. China is empowering Pakistan & now even Bangladesh ( as per latest news) to increase area of our contested airspace along with Chinese border.

One to one platform deployment is not possible for us , especially against China, as of next 20 to 30 years and that's reality. But we can't deny the minimum deterrence envelope. So, a 60 to 65 squadron strength is an undeniable reality.

Along with that we've to get technological & manufacturing parity with China too in quick time. Because a war/ conflict is all about sustainable resource management. Pakistan is a no match for us , but it is ofcourse a threat to be countered.

I believe that, for china, we need mostly air superiority jets(like 5th gen amca/su57)

For neutralizing their ground assets like radars , sam systems or rocket artillary, a better option will be ghatak type ucav

China and ccp are not stupid. They wont attack us with half preparation like trump

So i expect the attack not before 2035 atleast(full scale) , small skirmish can happen to check the water and plan their strategy

So according to my analysis, we need atleast 2-3 squadrons of 5th gen dedicated for china and some stealth ucavs too

So 50 manned squardan is more than enough. What we need is atleast 10 squadrons ghatak ucav who can deep pentrate china and remove their long range rocket artillary (which are in huge numbers)

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

I believe that, for china, we need mostly air superiority jets(like 5th gen amca/su57)

For neutralizing their ground assets like radars , sam systems or rocket artillary, a better option will be ghatak type ucav

China and ccp are not stupid. They wont attack us with half preparation like trump

So i expect the attack not before 2035 atleast(full scale) , small skirmish can happen to check the water and plan their strategy

So according to my analysis, we need atleast 2-3 squadrons of 5th gen dedicated for china and some stealth ucavs too

So 50 manned squardan is more than enough. What we need is atleast 10 squadrons ghatak ucav who can deep pentrate china and remove their long range rocket artillary (which are in huge numbers)

To be honest, any possible conflict in between India and China will see limited Air confrontation. These two nations are so close in proximity that ground launch missiles will have the majority in war dynamics.

Overall to deter china in northern, eastern & western ( through pakistan) we've to gain an absolute dominance in Malacca straight & Bay of Bengal region. China fears loss of money more than any other. They'll not involve in a potential conflict with a big power like India if there is a certain huge economic loss. For that, the Great Nicobar Project is very essential.

And yes I agree that we need air superiority fighters of 5th and next generations. Along with that we've to surpass china in BVRAAM in both quality, accuracy, guidance system & range. For that , Astra MK2 & Gandiva are key. Also I think an indigenous bigger missile with rocket motor with range of 450 + km is required to destroy the AWACS, Refuellers, ISTAR aircrafts from very very long range.

 

[randomradio]

I don't know from where you got the 1200 jets number for China & WS15 equipping from 2026 data. These datas are not correct as per my knowledge & information.

250+ J-10C, 350-400 J-16, 300-400 J-20, and 100 J-11BG. That's 1200 jets.

Everything else they have are just Su-27SK, J-8, J-10A/B, J-11A/B, JH-7/A, Su-35, and Su-30MKK. That's about 800 more jets.

J-20 with WS-15 saw first serial deliveries in 2025.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/first-chinese-j20-ws15-engines-serial-complete

Anyway, If you consider the security threat perceptions of China , they've at present very negligible threats from its north, west & south in air domain EXCEPT INDIA. The entire deployment of it's assets in these region can be deployed against India at a time if they want. So the number 700 is not exaggeration but realistic. Threat perceptions don't work on minor skirmish & short term threat negotiations. These work on log term sustainability.

When China will attack ( which is certain to happen) Taiwan , the maximum deployment apart from the war front will be on our side to deter us from any plan against their actions.

Yes ,Our airspace is smaller than Chinese airspace. But the actual thing is WHO HAS MORE CONTESTED AIRSPACE. China is empowering Pakistan & now even Bangladesh ( as per latest news) to increase area of our contested airspace along with Chinese border.

One to one platform deployment is not possible for us , especially against China, as of next 20 to 30 years and that's reality. But we can't deny the minimum deterrence envelope. So, a 60 to 65 squadron strength is an undeniable reality.

Along with that we've to get technological & manufacturing parity with China too in quick time. Because a war/ conflict is all about sustainable resource management. Pakistan is a no match for us , but it is ofcourse a threat to be countered.

They don't have air bases to operate from against India. Only 6 in Tibet. And a handful more in adjoining provinces. Most of their main bases are far away. They have smaller airfields that can support air defense missions, but that's about it.

The day they decide to become a threat, they will start building air bases.

 

[PhotonVish]

To be honest, any possible conflict in between India and China will see limited Air confrontation. These two nations are so close in proximity that ground launch missiles will have the majority in war dynamics.

Overall to deter china in northern, eastern & western ( through pakistan) we've to gain an absolute dominance in Malacca straight & Bay of Bengal region. China fears loss of money more than any other. They'll not involve in a potential conflict with a big power like India if there is a certain huge economic loss. For that, the Great Nicobar Project is very essential.

And yes I agree that we need air superiority fighters of 5th and next generations. Along with that we've to surpass china in BVRAAM in both quality, accuracy, guidance system & range. For that , Astra MK2 & Gandiva are key. Also I think an indigenous bigger missile with rocket motor with range of 450 + km is required to destroy the AWACS, Refuellers, ISTAR aircrafts from very very long range.

We also need to work on variable thrust solid motor missiles.

Astra mk2 is fine for pakistan but not for china

And For economic loss,

-> in any conflict, a good leader is ready to loose temporarily if it can defeat its enemy and get a much better deal

->> Economic loss without militry loss by a big country(i) against another(c) is not going to work, as the country C will then try to fully defeat the country I qnd them get favourable deal and will easily cover every penny it spend/loose due to war

So no , Economic blocked of china is not going to work if we can not defeat them, as the profit defeat a large country far exceeded the temporary looses china will have to face during the war