LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

For Mk1A, they wasted 2 years in price negotiations.
LUH is not ordered when Helicopter were crashing down.
Lca Mk2 funds not released yet at prototype stage itself preventing its maturity.
This can lack of releasing funds can extend to years...

Getting depressed..
We can achieve a deterrence against China only when we can replace items locally during or before the conflict. Imports won't help. We need to realise this.
 
We can achieve a deterrence against China only when we can replace items locally during or before the conflict. Imports won't help. We need to realise this.

There are times where I feel compelled to join politics.
Alas politics were screwed up so bad, normal citizens are excluded now.

I hope some hero appear in election Commission to clean up the mess.
 
There are times where I feel compelled to join politics.
Alas politics were screwed up so bad, normal citizens are excluded now.

I hope some hero appear in election Commission to clean up the mess.
We as a society get what we deserve. Our political class is exactly the representation of our society.

Same can be said for the military leadership. I don't doubt their skills in the field. But administrative and decision making has not been a focus area for them. It's only now that people are starting to get their hands onto it.

Back to the political class, SSC held exams for Safai Karamchari demands Class 10th passing. I think it's time we put up a law of atleast being 10th pass for anyone to fight an election and become the chowkidar of nation.
 
you are right on the society part it is a reflection of what ppl are.
I think it's time we put up a law of atleast being 10th pass for anyone to fight an election and become the chowkidar of nation.
being literate doesnt mean educated. More often it is the literate ppl who know laws find the loop holes to get around it. We need to change our culture, principle, values and attitude altogether. Just like laloo ruled bihar using rabri, you can have a literate puppet , pull their strings and run the show. Wasnt an ex-PM in congress a glaring example of it?
 
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For Mk1A, they wasted 2 years in price negotiations.
LUH is not ordered when Helicopter were crashing down.
Lca Mk2 funds not released yet at prototype stage itself preventing its maturity.
This can lack of releasing funds can extend to years...

Getting depressed..
The IAF does not consider the Mk2 to be a key priority... The IAF would not buy 5th generation aircraft from a third-party manufacturer, hence AMCA is given priority. IAF, ADA, and HAL will work nonstop to define the specifications, build the hardware, and test it, which is the main priority right now.

The Tejas MK2 development plan seems more of a HAL and ADA development plan, so there is no traction in those projects from the IAF and HAL will have to use its own funds.

If HAL can provide a number in MK1A or MK2, that's fine; otherwise, they'll go to a third-party vendor—Rafale.
 
The IAF does not consider the Mk2 to be a key priority... The IAF would not buy 5th generation aircraft from a third-party manufacturer, hence AMCA is given priority. IAF, ADA, and HAL will work nonstop to define the specifications, build the hardware, and test it, which is the main priority right now.

The Tejas MK2 development plan seems more of a HAL and ADA development plan, so there is no traction in those projects from the IAF and HAL will have to use its own funds.

If HAL can provide a number in MK1A or MK2, that's fine; otherwise, they'll go to a third-party vendor—Rafale.

It something yo delay giving orders like LUH, LCH, HTT 40, LCA Mk1A & K9

But Delaying prototype building itself is totally different.
Years wasted it delay perfecting the platform.
Who knows how many delays are ahead.
 
It something yo delay giving orders like LUH, LCH, HTT 40, LCA Mk1A & K9

But Delaying prototype building itself is totally different.
Years wasted it delay perfecting the platform.
Who knows how many delays are ahead.
We have heard there will be a six-month delay. Let's see what happens in the first quarter of 2023. I don't see any obstacles in the way of the MK2 prototype's release. I believe that the majority of the work, such as fly-by-wire integration, has already been validated for canard integration, and that GE414 is available to the team.
 
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The IAF does not consider the Mk2 to be a key priority... The IAF would not buy 5th generation aircraft from a third-party manufacturer, hence AMCA is given priority. IAF, ADA, and HAL will work nonstop to define the specifications, build the hardware, and test it, which is the main priority right now.

The Tejas MK2 development plan seems more of a HAL and ADA development plan, so there is no traction in those projects from the IAF and HAL will have to use its own funds.

If HAL can provide a number in MK1A or MK2, that's fine; otherwise, they'll go to a third-party vendor—Rafale.

The Mk2 is a govt sanctioned project and the IAF has a need for at least 6 such squadrons. If money has not yet been sanctioned, I bet the IAF wants the MRFA tender cleared first before money is released for LCA and AMCA.
 
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The Mk2 is a govt sanctioned project and the IAF has a need for at least 6 such squadrons. If money has not yet been sanctioned, I bet the IAF wants the MRFA tender cleared first before money is released for LCA and AMCA.
Perhaps the IAF will choose MFRA for fourth-generation fighters but not against AMCA. They appear to be committed to AMCA development, as the 5th generation fighter gap will widen as J20 deployment increases, posing a real threat to the IAF if no 5th generation fighter competitor for J20 is available in the near future.
 
The Mk2 is a govt sanctioned project and the IAF has a need for at least 6 such squadrons. If money has not yet been sanctioned, I bet the IAF wants the MRFA tender cleared first before money is released for LCA and AMCA.

Mk 1A is still awaiting its first official flight
MK 2 is in the prototype stage

Why would the IAF Then , NOT push for MRFA

IAF is caught between the Devil and the Deep Sea

On the one hand they have 2 enemies , breathing down their necks and on the other hand , the GOI , DRDO and the public at large wants them to use only Indigenous systems
 
Mk 1A is still awaiting its first official flight
MK 2 is in the prototype stage

Why would the IAF Then , NOT push for MRFA

IAF is caught between the Devil and the Deep Sea

On the one hand they have 2 enemies , breathing down their necks and on the other hand , the GOI , DRDO and the public at large wants them to use only Indigenous systems

His much would have costed to build a set or 4 prototype s?

How much government is spending on beautification of a single railway station / bus terminal ?

Will anyone believe we are sort of funds?

Atleast prototype s should have money sanctioned, anyways it going to take time for certification.
 
Perhaps the IAF will choose MFRA for fourth-generation fighters but not against AMCA. They appear to be committed to AMCA development, as the 5th generation fighter gap will widen as J20 deployment increases, posing a real threat to the IAF if no 5th generation fighter competitor for J20 is available in the near future.

Although I don't believe the money has not been released, but if it's true, then the IAF and some groups within the MoD should be blocking it for a faster MRFA clearance. I can't really think of any other reason since money for such programs flows directly from DRDO.
 
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The IAF does not consider the Mk2 to be a key priority... The IAF would not buy 5th generation aircraft from a third-party manufacturer, hence AMCA is given priority. IAF, ADA, and HAL will work nonstop to define the specifications, build the hardware, and test it, which is the main priority right now.

The Tejas MK2 development plan seems more of a HAL and ADA development plan, so there is no traction in those projects from the IAF and HAL will have to use its own funds.

If HAL can provide a number in MK1A or MK2, that's fine; otherwise, they'll go to a third-party vendor—Rafale.
AMCA will be a costly fighter to procure and operate. And IAF will struggle to acquire say 150 by 2030 end and operate it at 70% availability. That's why MK2 is much more critical.
 
AMCA will be a costly fighter to procure and operate. And IAF will struggle to acquire say 150 by 2030 end and operate it at 70% availability. That's why MK2 is much more critical.

I most definitely don't think money will be a problem by the time AMCA comes in.
 
I most definitely don't think money will be a problem by the time AMCA comes in.
Let's see how the economy progresses. The current signs are not exactly good. Without a double digit growth run for atleast 5 years, we are going to take 2040 to reach the 10 trillion mark.

Money will be a big problem. Otherwise all 9 squadrons of UPGs/DARINS/2000s would have been planned to be replaced by AMCA.

If it hasn't been then it means there will be constraints.
AMCA will not be for replacing a capability. We need to realise this. It's for countering a new evolving threat.

LCA is about retaining the present capabilities.

MMRCA is about trying to get close to the ideal capabilities level we would have wanted.

All 3 are not related and have their own importance. Cannot be replaced by other.
 
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Let's see how the economy progresses. The current signs are not exactly good. Without a double digit growth run for atleast 5 years, we are going to take 2040 to reach the 10 trillion mark.

Money will be a big problem.

For the IAF to spend at superpower level, their capex only needs to double, which is easily achieved with double GDP. We should easily get to $6T long before 2035, and 1.5% of that would be $90B, as our defence budget. It's more than enough for a two-front war.

The IAF doesn't even need that much. The USAF's capex is $22B. IAF's can stagnate at half that for the next 20 years, and even that's a lot. They are only $4B away from that today.
 
For the IAF to spend at superpower level, their capex only needs to double, which is easily achieved with double GDP. We should easily get to $6T long before 2035, and 1.5% of that would be $90B, as our defence budget. It's more than enough for a two-front war.

The IAF doesn't even need that much. The USAF's capex is $22B. IAF's can stagnate at half that for the next 20 years, and even that's a lot. They are only $4B away from that today.
It's easy to just say it but not so easy to execute. Even with say 90 billion USD budget the CAPEX available will be questionable. And we do have a lot to pay for.

A lot. And then there's inflation+ double taxation.
 
The Mk2 is a govt sanctioned project and the IAF has a need for at least 6 such squadrons. If money has not yet been sanctioned, I bet the IAF wants the MRFA tender cleared first before money is released for LCA and AMCA.
Kuch Bhi !. IAF has no control over these funds because its not go from their bucket to ADA. IAF does not fund any projects, MoD does.