LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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F-35 doesn't have supercruise and supermaneuverability nor does current J-20A variant. But both of them are 5th gen planes. And sensor fusion? Lolz. AMCA is going to have very very high level of sensor fusion. Even the Mk1 variant would be 5th gen whilst the MK2 with definitive engines would be 5+ gen. These articles are just
What's interesting about this article is it's exactly the same as how the Su-57 was criticised in India for not having supercruise, sensor fusion and supermaneuverability, even though everybody knew the Stage 2 is expected to take care of these things. This is just the Russians, via their shill, indirectly giving it back in kind to India.
I care about sensor fusion more than other things.
So, How would you rate sensor fusion in current Tejas mk1, mk1a, upcoming ( expected) mk2 & proposed amca mk1&2?
For Mk1/A, as long as it provides full situational awareness, it's all good. Most of what they use will actually come from off-board sources anyway. The LCA class will be the ones making first contact with the enemy, so the pilots will be top notch, they will make their own decisions, like Abhinandan did.
LCA Mk2 and AMCA will have the whole shebang. Even if the article claims LCA Mk2 will only have the Stage 2 fusion in the beginning, it will get pretty much all the features the AMCA will eventually have. LCA Mk2 will even be able to operate without a pilot, eventually. Both types are being designed to have the optionally-manned feature.
I didn't get.
Are you talking about AWACS & AEW?
I am pleased to know that.
However, the computing power require to perform un-manned flights will be unknown at this moment.
This sensor fusion thing is quite overrated my friend. Even good ol' Su-30MKI has 'sensor fusion'. All data collected by IRST, radar and RWR combined give a complete picture of battlespace to the pilot and the WSO.
MK1A will be a notch higher. MK2 would be way more advance, almost Rafale like cause it'll have airframe integrated MAWS, AESA radar, QWIP IRST, digital RWR giving it an 'eagle eye' view of battlespace.
AMCA will have all of the above and more. Maybe EODAS like feature for MK2 version. All our future fighters will have AI enabled cockpit too.
There is no point in having a fifth gen fighter without EODAS equivalent. Better we purchase f35 from us directly instead of inducting AMCA without those.
What an asinine reply
So we should continue to import and never become self-reliant? We may import F-35 or Su-57, if IAF finds their import compulsory to take on J-20. But to say that we shouldn't induct AMCA if it hasn't got EODAS equivalent and directly import F-35 is absolutely bollocks. And you claim yourself to be an Indian? Lol.
Plus, how can you say that AMCA won't have something like EODAS? Our sensor requirement for AMCA Mk2 is likely very high and in my opinion shall include EODAS equivalent as well.
Exclusive: US set to allow GE to make engines in India for New Delhi's military jets
The Biden administration is poised to sign off on a deal that would allow General Electric Co to produce jet engines powering Indian military aircraft in that country, according to three people briefed on the decision.
Expected, but 414 engines approved for production for India.
1 billion is a reasonable price for the tech for engine technology.
Yes, during large fights the LCA will remain passive only and use its radar mainly to kill, so everything else will come in via AWACS, satellites and other larger fighters with bigger sensors like the MKI.
Computers get upgrades every few years.
Exclusive: US set to allow GE to make engines in India for New Delhi's military jets
The Biden administration is poised to sign off on a deal that would allow General Electric Co to produce jet engines powering Indian military aircraft in that country, according to three people briefed on the decision.www.reuters.com
Expected, but 414 engines approved for production for India.
This was expected for a decade now. The real question is how much ToT, 'cause they had initially agreed to 60%, but both GE and the Indian govt wanted 100%.
The engine was supposed to come via offsets, but apparently the French wanted more than what the offsets catered to.
But by the time a decision at the top level could be made, 'cause it was not possible at the lower levels, both HAL and ADA said they will be going ahead with the F414 instead. Possibly (extremely likely) 'cause the US offered 100% ToT for the existing deal. This rendered the French deal moot. It killed the Kaveri for LCA as well.
I mean with Whatever TOT we are getting, We should be able to absorb "Know-how" to able to make fully functional kaveri engine. Right?
If the Americans are being so "generous" with 414 tech then that means they are the lone contender for AMCA's future engine too? Maybe they will transfer the manufacturing know-how for 414 over a decade (most critical pieces coming last)- and the know-why will come with the 414++ engine- that's easily a decade away. By then the US will be 2 generations ahead (adaptive cycle engine, rotating detonation engine) of everyone else in jet engine tech. Are we even asking for such next-generation technologies or merely fixated on the 110KN power figure?
This is absolutely valid point. We will continue to play 'catch-up' until we make a breakthrough either domestically(very tough) or with a foreign partnership(most likely). Americans won't share any cutting-edge tech. Our options are with RR and Safran. If RR offers us a joint partnership in future VCE development, then it should work perfectly fine not only for AMCA Mk2 but also our future 6th gen fighter.
This GE TOT route is good enough for Tejas MK2, not anything more.
Its called moolah. Paisa fekh, tamasha dekh. When you throw peanuts at developments, you will get a monkey. Not a gorilla.
Kaveri is following its own path. The AMCA engine will give us the know-how and know-why for future programs.
And if the Americans provide 100% ToT for F414, then they are a shoo-in for AMCA's engine as well.