LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

[randomradio]

Rd-33 series 3 needs to be put in Tejas. Ge-404 needs to be put in the trash. The Americans are useless.

RD-33 is a decent engine, just not suitable for LCA. There was enough time to reengine the Mk1A with F414 instead.

It is ironic(hilarious TBF) that Tejas mk1a is experiencing the same issue as the Arjun Mk1a. Embarrassing for a force that pretends to be highly professional. This is a failure of the IAF and its leadership. No PSU is to be blamed for this clownshow.

What's the IAF got to do with this?

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Engines are no longer a problem but the Israeli components, right?

Because I remember the no45 was raised with just 2 airframes. So with 6 engines, we can easily set up a full fledged training and operational conversion unit for Mk1A.

 

[Lolwa]

RD-33 is a decent engine, just not suitable for LCA. There was enough time to reengine the Mk1A with F414 instead.



What's the IAF got to do with this?

Going for the ge-404 instead of the rd-33

 

[Lolwa]

RD-33 is a decent engine, just not suitable for LCA.

How is it not? It has the same wet thrust as the ge-404-in20 (88kN-90kN)
Approx the same size is produced in India and we have the MRO facilities for it in India.
Why aren't we building tedbf based on it is equally ironic. We already have a engine we can use that fulfills the same role as the Kaveri.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Going for the ge-404 instead of the rd-33

If there was Ever a Himalayan Blunder , related to Tejas , it was NOT selecting the AL 31 engine from Russia on which J 10 is
Powered

A small engine like 404 means an overall small airframe and then we WANT TO FIT in everything

The lack of internal space to work around has caused all the problems , from Radar ,Radome , IFR probe , EW suite , weapon stations , limited internal fuel etc etc

Either AL 31 or M53 ie Mirage 2000 engine should have been chosen

By the way GE 414 was offered to India in 2003

But ADA didn't want to redesign the LCA ,.so they persisted with 404

The whole LSP.series ie LSP 1 to LSP 8 happened because they were not sure how far they can " expand the envelope " with respect to the airframe

And then Mr Parrikar forced MK1A on IAF in 2016

Where as IAF wanted ADA to focus on a larger MK 2 with more load carrying capacity

 

[Rajput Lion]

Rd-33 series 3 needs to be put in Tejas. Ge-404 needs to be put in the trash. The Americans are useless.

It is ironic(hilarious TBF) that Tejas mk1a is experiencing the same issue as the Arjun Mk1a. Embarrassing for a force that pretends to be highly professional. This is a failure of the IAF and its leadership. No PSU is to be blamed for this clownshow.

No Russian engines for Tejas.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

No Russian engines for Tejas.

AL 31 could have been used

F 16 also has ONE big Engine generating 130 KN

That is why F 16 is so successful,.more fuel ,.more weapons , EW pods , AESA radar

Even J 10 earlier versions were powered by AL 31

It is only now that WS 10 has been installed on J 10

 

[randomradio]

Going for the ge-404 instead of the rd-33

The F404 was a far superior engine in the 80s. I'm talking about 10 years ago.

Engines are no longer a problem but the Israeli components, right?

Because I remember the no45 was raised with just 2 airframes. So with 6 engines, we can easily set up a full fledged training and operational conversion unit for Mk1A.

The IAF doesn't want Mk1A deliveries without achieving FOC.

 

[randomradio]

How is it not? It has the same wet thrust as the ge-404-in20 (88kN-90kN)
Approx the same size is produced in India and we have the MRO facilities for it in India.
Why aren't we building tedbf based on it is equally ironic. We already have a engine we can use that fulfills the same role as the Kaveri.

Very low service life. No FADEC. Dependency on Russians. Back then we should have chosen the Mirage 2000's M53.

F414 is better than RD-33.

If there was Ever a Himalayan Blunder , related to Tejas , it was NOT selecting the AL 31 engine from Russia on which J 10 is
Powered

A small engine like 404 means an overall small airframe and then we WANT TO FIT in everything

The lack of internal space to work around has caused all the problems , from Radar ,Radome , IFR probe , EW suite , weapon stations , limited internal fuel etc etc

Either AL 31 or M53 ie Mirage 2000 engine should have been chosen

By the way GE 414 was offered to India in 2003

But ADA didn't want to redesign the LCA ,.so they persisted with 404

The whole LSP.series ie LSP 1 to LSP 8 happened because they were not sure how far they can " expand the envelope " with respect to the airframe

And then Mr Parrikar forced MK1A on IAF in 2016

Where as IAF wanted ADA to focus on a larger MK 2 with more load carrying capacity

Mig-21 was the reference design for LCA in terms of weight and dimensions.