Let us think the unthinkable. If India decides to go for a decisive war with Pakistan, what an be realistic outcomes.

[Sandeep0159]

If we are fighting a nuclear war then no point in mentioning conversational capabilities.

Nukes are always the last resort, for anyone who possess them. Question should be whether Pak Generals have the guts order a nuke strike in case of the aforementioned situation involving India in a declared offensive against Pak. Will they? Or will they only try to save Pakjab?

After a nuclear strike on India,

there'd be no Pakistan to watch the events following it.

Asam, Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Khalistan

Assam has Arnab Goswami, TN has Thalaivar, Kashmir is a UT , Khalistan has no takers this side of the Radcliffe(unless you are eager to resurrect Sikh Empire in West Punjab aka Pakjab).

all the dozen freedom movements In India will divide India

Sir, fighting in front of water pumps and ration depots isn't called 'Freedom Movements' anywhere in this godforsaken world.

and India in its current form will cease to exist.

Bro you forgot 'Inshallah'.

Same for Pakistan. The country will not remain in its current form.

Am certain, it'd be ten times worser than the last 'hit-wicket' of your state.

If we are fighting a conventional war, then I can write a few things.

Sure, sir. feel free to give your opine.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Scenario presented has discrepancies.
If we are fighting a nuclear war then no point in mentioning conversational capabilities.
After a nuclear strike on India, Asam, Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Khalistan and all the dozen freedom movements In India will divide India and India in its current form will cease to exist.

Same for Pakistan. The country will not remain in its current form.

If we are fighting a conventional war, then I can write a few things.

Your Entire Life revolves around
Honour and Dignity

That is why you DID NOT accept F 16 loss

So if there is a Bigger war , and Many casualties ,So many Pakistani soldiers and pilots Will Die in VAIN

Even on LOC you hide all your Casualties


Your FM keeps writing letters to UN because you Dont want a War

You only want Kashmir without a war

 

[Defc0n]

Scenario presented has discrepancies.
If we are fighting a nuclear war then no point in mentioning conversational capabilities.
After a nuclear strike on India, Asam, Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Khalistan and all the dozen freedom movements In India will divide India and India in its current form will cease to exist.

Same for Pakistan. The country will not remain in its current form.

If we are fighting a conventional war, then I can write a few things.

Day dreaming is what it is called.
If you had the guts, you wouldn't have released Abhinandan.
But you are a bunch of scared as hell rats who run towards the hole with the slightest intimidation.
So war, no, you don't have the guts to go though a nuke strike in the first place.
Conventional war, there is only one scenario - you will be decimated.
Have a nice day

 

[safriz]

The thread is confusing. But I will assume that in this hypothetical scenario India has already launched a nuclear strike. The so called "Bolt from the blue" .
We have tunnels for keeping our second strike capability safe and sit out a first strike by India.
Once India is done. The launchers can roll out and launch the retaliation.

Someone mentioned a missile threat after 27th February? There was a threat of cruise missiles from India and to monitor that we were sending drones into the Indian airspace . Many drones were getting shot and more being sent. Also we had closed our air space, so that we don't end up like India and own Helicopter in Budgam or Iran and Ukrainian airliner recently in Tehran.
Our Mirages were ready with Raad, for a retaliation strike and for the first time Shaheen-3 was brought into deployed status.

 

[screambowl]

Once India is done. The launchers can roll out and launch the retaliation.

Once India is done, Pakistan is also done and gone. India's first strike will be maximum assured destruction not minimal credible destruction including the CCC

Someone mentioned a missile threat after 27th February? There was a threat of cruise missiles from India and to monitor that we were sending drones into the Indian airspace . Many drones were getting shot and more being sent. Also we had closed our air space, so that we don't end up like India and own Helicopter in Budgam or Iran and Ukrainian airliner recently in Tehran.
Our Mirages were ready with Raad, for a retaliation strike and for the first time Shaheen-3 was brought into deployed status.

Who will press the trigger? And even if some one survives, how many silos would be operational?

 

[hellbent]

I don't believe in jingoism and i know short comings of Indian military

But as regard to buried WMD sites be it tunnels etc let me categorically say this

India has deep earth penetrations bombs with the ability to defeat triple layer defence fortifications

Right now work is going on having a rocket powered penetrator for even greater penetration .

BARC has developed special alloys which resists deformation even when penetrating basalt rocks

They were trying to develop a sensor based fuze which can detect void after penetration of Earth and fortification etc for optimal destruction.

And there is heavy class new air launched earth penetrator munition which has grid fins.

 

[safriz]

Once India is done, Pakistan is also done and gone. India's first strike will be maximum assured destruction not minimal credible destruction including the CCC



Who will press the trigger? And even if some one survives, how many silos would be operational?

Unlike popular belief neither India nor Pakistan are USA Vs USSR and don't have enough nukes to annihilate each other.
Whoever strikes first, the other will have time and resources to strike back.
No wonder we don't even have an early warning system. Our early warning will be a mushroom cloud and then we will strike back.

 

[Deathstar]

Unlike popular belief neither India nor Pakistan are USA Vs USSR and don't have enough nukes to annihilate each other.
Whoever strikes first, the other will have time and resources to strike back.
No wonder we don't even have an early warning system. Our early warning will be a mushroom cloud and then we will strike back.

What about Fauzi Cornflakes ,Cement and DHA corner plots? They are probably the most important.

 

[screambowl]

Important question is when is the best time to thrash Pakistan, so that India also recoveres from the loss before the people of India start counting the onion price, fuel price?

 

[safriz]

The only credible threat will be S-400 when it arrives. Until now, no matter how much India thinks they are powerful, we can handle them without problems.

 

[screambowl]

Tactically, technologically and in Muscle power Pakistan stands no where near India and India can finish the game in days. The only thing Pakistan can do is psychological war to stop India's aggression through useful Idiots in Indian universities, politburo and media.

 

[safriz]

Tactically, technologically and in Muscle power Pakistan stands no where near India and India can finish the game in days. The only thing Pakistan can do is psychological war to stop India's aggression through useful Idiots in Indian universities, politburo and media.

Yeah mate, that's what you thought on 27th February too.
Your entire air force communication were jammed and pilots could not talk to each other or control tower.
This was admitted by IAF themselves.

 

[screambowl]

Yeah mate, that's what you thought on 27th February too.
Your entire air force communication were jammed and pilots could not talk to each other or control tower.
This was admitted by IAF themselves.

And India retaliated for your gustakhi of sending air package by annexing Kashmir formally on 5th Aug 2019. Next is POK. The war is about territory not some fighter plane or pilot, and the remaining territory India will take it.

Your PM Imran Khan was admitting that there is a missile threat which got defused some how. He kept ringing the PM office in new delhi to talk to Modi but no one picked. India was ready for nuclear winter had you not returned Indian pilot. You think only Islamic Pakistan has guts to talk about nuclear war? India will literally do it and along you there will more few more jehadi countries India will finish off.

Pakistan ko to ab thokenge jahan mauka jab mauka miley!

 

[Saaho]

Scenario presented has discrepancies.
If we are fighting a nuclear war then no point in mentioning conversational capabilities.

The nuclear war is acceptable in the scenarios presented. It is not mandetory. But it is not to be ruled out, including a India's decapitation full scale nuclear bombardment of Pakistan. Hope that clarifies.

After a nuclear strike on India, Asam, Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Khalistan and all the dozen freedom movements In India will divide India and India in its current form will cease to exist.

That means you are suggesting that Pakistan cannot effectively kill enough population in India and will have to rely on Indians to possibly revolt against India.

Same for Pakistan. The country will not remain in its current form.

I will rather ask, will anyone be left alive in Pakistan?

If we are fighting a conventional war, then I can write a few things.

Feel free, nuclear war is not compulsory, but it is cetainly an option. Most of the discussions rule it out, but I think it should not be off the table when you are thinking about unthinkable.

 

[Saaho]

The only credible threat will be S-400 when it arrives. Until now, no matter how much India thinks they are powerful, we can handle them without problems.

Even if India goes full fledged nuclear against all population centres of Pakistan as a pre-emptive strike?

 

[safriz]

And India retaliated for your gustakhi of sending air package by annexing Kashmir formally on 5th Aug 2019. Next is POK. The war is about territory not some fighter plane or pilot, and the remaining territory India will take it.

Your PM Imran Khan was admitting that there is a missile threat which got defused some how. He kept ringing the PM office in new delhi to talk to Modi but no one picked. India was ready for nuclear winter had you not returned Indian pilot. You think only Islamic Pakistan has guts to talk about nuclear war? India will literally do it and along you there will more few more jehadi countries India will finish off.

Pakistan ko to ab thokenge jahan mauka jab mauka miley!

To start with, the original "Special status" given to Kashmir was also rejected by both Kashmiris and Pakistan. So nothing changed. India abolished what was already rejected..

However, is this a political thread?

Even if India goes full fledged nuclear against all population centres of Pakistan as a pre-emptive strike?

Yes. Even in that case. Because India does not have more than 5 megatons of nukes. That's not enough to even kill half of Pakistan, let alone all.

 

[safriz]

And India retaliated for your gustakhi of sending air package by annexing Kashmir formally on 5th Aug 2019. Next is POK. The war is about territory not some fighter plane or pilot, and the remaining territory India will take it.

Your PM Imran Khan was admitting that there is a missile threat which got defused some how. He kept ringing the PM office in new delhi to talk to Modi but no one picked. India was ready for nuclear winter had you not returned Indian pilot. You think only Islamic Pakistan has guts to talk about nuclear war? India will literally do it and along you there will more few more jehadi countries India will finish off.

Pakistan ko to ab thokenge jahan mauka jab mauka miley!

If India is as powerful as you think. Then why wait for "Mauqaa" ?
Come and do it?

 

[screambowl]

To start with, the original "Special status" given to Kashmir was also rejected by both Kashmiris and Pakistan. So nothing changed. India abolished what was already rejected..

However, is this a political thread?

If India is as powerful as you think. Then why wait for "Mauqaa" ?
Come and do it?

I told you that was a strategic response to your 27th Feb and there after Islamabad got sleepless nights. You have nothing to counter India's strategic response.

 

[Saaho]

Yes. Even in that case. Because India does not have more than 5 megatons of nukes. That's not enough to even kill half of Pakistan, let alone all.

Assuming India has 50 kilotonne weapon x 130 will give you 6,500 kilotonnes. So, it is more thab 5 megatonnes minimum. And India has claimed that it is more like 200 kilotonnes (due to boosting). I think scaling to 100 kilotonnes will not be a problem.

Also, population of Pakistan is more concentrated in few cities : Karachi alone has 15 million. That is 7-8% of entire Pakistan's population.
If India destroys all of Karachi, Faisalabad, Lahore, Rawalpindi, it will kill about 15 + 11 + 3 + 2 = 31 million Pakistan. This is just 10-20 nuclear bombs to kill 15% of Pakistan population. 100 bombs will destroy 70-80% of Pakistan population in cities.

On the other hand, Pakistan does not have enough weapon to even kill 20% of India's population. Not to mention a good number of Pakistan's weapons are only tactical and cannot do any decisive damage.

Lastly, if India goes for first strike, you won't have any aircraft left. And you missiles are certainly not in 100s and surely all of them will not be able to fire because of loss of command chain and infrastructure.

 

[Saaho]

If India is as powerful as you think. Then why wait for "Mauqaa" ?
Come and do it?

Because killing 200-400 million Indians for some land of Kashmir and destroying Pakistan is not a good bargain. We are Baniyas. Thats why we are having this discussion and thats why title of this thread has word "Unthinkable" in it.